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NOTES AND QUERIES. ui s. XL FEB. 13, 1915.


A version of the inscription will be found in 'London and its Environs,' Vol. IV (Dodsley, 1761.)

ALFRED CHAS. JONAS, F.S.A. (Scot.).

Locksley, Tennyson Road, Bognor.

FRVNTCE AND ENGLAND QUARTERLY (US. x. 281, 336, 396, 417,458,510; xi. 50, 74,96).

MR. EDEN has made his reply (ante, p. 50;

to the criticisms upon his original and interesting article (11 S. x. 281), but, from the point of view of a lawyer, it seems to be more of the nature of the old plea of " con- fession and avoidance." He now frankly admits that he has shifted his ground, but maintains that he has nevertheless sub- stantiated his proposition, " the essence of his suggestion being that the lilies in the England coat came there by virtue of ordinary heraldic usage," and this whether as representative of Anjou or of Edward III.'s mother, Isabel of France.

MR. EDEN will forgive me if I remind him that " the essence of his suggestion " was based upon his original contention that the lilies represented Anjou only " by virtue of ordinary heraldic usage," and that, as such, it would be fitting to re introduce them into the English Royal arms.

The object of my long too long, perhaps article (11 S. x. 510) was to show that this was not so, arid that the lilies in the English coat could only represent France. I did, indeed, call attention to the assertion of one modern heraldic writer, Montagu, that this was done by Edward in right of his mother, Isabel of France. MR. EDEN now claims this as equally establishing his original proposition. However that may be, I have already taken up so much space, and the question as originally submitted by MR. EDEN has been so ably commented on by other correspondents, that I feel that I should not add anything further on the matter.

But I might be permitted, perhaps, to make this observation upon one point of MR. EDEN'S later contribution (ante, p. 51), where lie states that the change from semee fleurs-de-lis to three fleurs-de-lis might well have been made "in accordance with a custom which had long been growing, viz., to reduce the representation of an indefinite number of charges to three," of which, he says, " a well-known example is that of Clare, originally chevronee, and subsequently three chevrons."

I dare say MR. EDEN is right in saying this, but as this custom is quite unknown to me other than as a means of difference, may I


ask him to be kind enough to give some authority for his general statement ; and secondly, any authority or instance for his assertion that the coat of Clare was originally chevronee ? As early as the ' Boll of Arms of the Thirteenth Century ' it was given as Or, three chevrons gules ; and there are other early instances to be found.

J. S. UDAL, F.S.A.

THE SACRIFICE OF A SNOW-WHITE BULL (11 S. xi. 90). The fine for the non-payment of the annual sum of 2s. 2d. " wroth silver " levied on this parish is 20s. for every penny not forthcoming, or the forfeiture of a white bull with red nose, and ears of the same colour. The audit is made by the agent of the Duke of Buccleuch on Knightlow Hill before sunrise on Martinmas Day. (See 9 S. v. 4, 112.) JOHN T. PAGE.

Long Itchington, Warwickshire.


Bygone Haslemere. Edited by E. W. Swanton aided by P. Woods. (West, Newman & Co., Edition de Luxe, 11. Is. net.) BEAUTIFUL HASLEMERTC, situated among the highlands of South-West Surrey, was long a sleepy market town. The principal means of communication with London were two of the Chichester coaches, which started from " The White Horse Cellar " in Piccadilly, and stopped at Haslemere on their way. When the railway at Woking was opened, the coach would journey so far by road ; " it was then put on a truck, and the passengers into carriages, and all were taken to Nine Elms, then the railway terminus. On arrival, four horses were again 3ut in, and drove up to ' The White Horse ' n fine style, as if they had just arrived from one hundred miles away in the country."

One can picture the quietude of Haslemere Defore the direct Portsmouth Railway was opened on the 1st of January, 1859. When the Chi- chester coaches ceased to run, people had to go ip to Hindhead to meet the Portsmouth coaches ; 3ut when these also ceased, which they did long* before that year, the place was almost isolated. It was not until the 2nd of November, 1907, at an adequate water supply was introduced,

he inhabitants up to that time having to obtain

water from wells. There was a Town Well, and among others one or two unfailing wells belonging

o houses in the High Street. Three-halfpence a

Bucket used to be paid to those who carried water "rom the wells to the houses.

The book before us is dedicated to the nemory of John Wornham Penfold. To him ts origin is due, for, at the time of his death n 1909, he had, in addition to editing a minted copy of the Registers of the Parish Church, and making other contributions towards

he preservation of the records of his native

)lace, transcribed the monumental inscriptions n the church and churchyard, and planned