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NOTES AND QUERIES. uis.xi.MAR.6,i9i5.


THE HOUSE OF NORMANDY (11 S.xi. 105).

This descent is not quite correct m at

least one particular. Arlette is shown as married to Robert, Duke of Normandy ; but it is well known that the Conqueror was illegitimate.

Is there any proof that Gunred (usually spelt Gundred) was the Conqueror's daugh- ter ? The question has been raised lately in these columns, but has brought no reply. Again, is the consanguinity between the Conqueror and his wife correctly shown ? Uid not Freeman leave the point unsolved ? The descent can be carried further back as follows :

Gorr (mythical ?)

Heiti (mythical ?)

i


Sveidi, the sea-king

i


Halfdan the Old=f


Ivar, Jarl of the Uplanders=r

of Norway


Rolf Nefja=


Eistain Glumran=

(the noisy) | J

Ragnvald, Jarl of Mseren, = Ragnild (Hild). fl. A.D. 863 (see ante, p. 105).

GILBERT FAMILY (11 S. ix. 49, 112). At the latter reference it is stated that Vivian makes no mention of any issue of the marriage of John Gilbert of Greenway (and Compton Castle) with Anne, daughter of Richard Courtenay. There was issue four sons (John, Pomroy, Courtenay, and Humphrey) and eight daughters (Anne, Catherine, Henrietta, Maria, Elizabeth Margaret, Urania, Joan, and Lucy). From the second son, Pomroy, are numerous descendants now living.

WILLIAM GILBERT.

3.">, Broad Street Avenue, E.C.

"ALL'S FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR" (11 S.

xi. 151). On p. 754 of ' Cassell's Book of Quotations ' (1907) this saying is treated as a later form of " Fair chieve all where love trucks," from John Ray's ' Compleat Collection of English Proverbs,' first pub- lished in 1742. A. C. C.

THE HUNAS OF ' WIDSITH ' (11 S. xi. 143). The late Mr. Karl Blind called attention to the passage in Bede in The Gentleman's Magazine in 1883. For several other refer- ences on the subject of German and Scandi- navian Huns see the Introduction in ' The Folk-Tales of the Magyars/ published by the Folk-Lore Society in 1889. L. L. K.


JOHN TREVISA (11 S. xi. 148). He is; referred to on p. 29 of Gordon Duff's * West- minster and London Printers,' 1906 ; and on p. 977 of my ' Index to Book-Prices Current,' 1 897-1 906,' 8vo, 1 909. See also ' Dictionary of National Biography.'

WM. JAGGARD, Lieut.

REGENT CIRCUS, PICCADILLY (11 S. x. 313,. 373, 431, 475 ; xi. 14, 51, 98, 136, 155). I thank MR. FROST for his correction, in support of which I contribute the following. In Cruchley's ' New Plan of London, 1838/ Piccadilly "is a continuation of Coventry Street, running to Hyde 'Park Corner. Coventry Street, c. 1681, took its name from Mr. Secretary Coventry's mansion r which stood near the end of the Hay- market, and was sometimes called Piccadilly House. The London Gazette, 30 July to 3 Aug., 1674, No. 908, mentions "Mr. Secretary Coventry's House in Piccadilly. !T And m/Savile's 'Corresp.' (Camden Soc.),. p. 293, it is named Piccadilly House.

The celebrated place of entertainment called Piccadilly Hall, situated at the top- of the Haymarket, ^ belonged to Robert Baker, of the parish of St. Martin's-in- the-Fields. By his will dated 14 April, 1623, he bequeathed 21. 10s. in money and 10s. in bread to the poor of the parish in which he lived. This is recorded in? the Accounts of the Overseers of the Poor of St. Martin's as follows : " Of Robte Backer of Piccadilley Halle gewen by wilF iijV There is no earlier use of the name Piccadilly.

Evelyn in his ' Diary,' 31 July, 1662, says r

"I sat with the Commissioners about reforming buildings and streets of London, and we ordered! the paving of the way doww to St. James' North,, which was a quagmire, and also of the Haymarket about Piquedillo."

Piccadilly was at first only a short road running no further west than Sackville Street ; as far as Albemarle Street it was called' Portugal Street, and all beyond " the way to- Reding " (Wheatley's ' London Past and' Present ; ). The portion of Regent Street from Carlton House up to Piccadilly was finished in 1817. Pigot & Co.'s ' Directory," 1823-4, contains a map showing Regent Street crossing Piccadilly before the Circus was constructed. But in a map of London and Westminster, 1822, the whole of the Regent Street thoroughfare is for the first time shown completed. It is evident from the above accounts that " gay Piccadilly " began at the Haymarket ; and, it may be added, remains so to this day. TOM JONES*.