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chapter of St. Omer, who wished to reconstruct it at their own church. The project, however, was never executed, the sculptured figures alone being transported from Thérouanne, a distance of about nine miles. F. H. Cheetham.
Old Hunting Pictures (12 S. ix. 352).
To enumerate the various artists of more or ,
less repute who painted pictures of fox-
hunting, coursing and other field sports in the j
seventeenth century would take up more I
space than the Editor of ' N. & Q.' would care
to place at my disposal. To mention but
a few of the best known, there are John
Wootton (1685-1765) ; Samuel Howitt( 1757- j
1823), James Seymour (1702-1752), Dean;
Wolstenholme (1757-1837) and several mem- i
bers of the Sartorius family.
The works of these and numerous others j
are fully recorded in a monumental work by j
the late Sir Walter Gilbey in his ' Animal |
Painters of England,' published in three
volumes by Vin on and Co., of 8, Bream's !
Buildings, Chancery Lane. The price is
6 net, but the books could be referred to by j
SPORTSMAN at the British Museum andl
doubtless at sundry other large public
libraries.
WIIXOUGHBY MAYCOCK.
THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ( 12 S. ix. 352).
Heraldry was not taken up professionally
until the reign of Henry VI., and before that
arms were used, if not in England, certainly
in Normandy and Wales. It must be re-
membered that Sir W. Dugdale was a
"> professional " and that Heralds are ap-
pointed but without salary, and have to
make what they can by searching for and
granting arms. Naturally they desired to
deprive younger sons of the right to bear
arms so that these should apply for a grant.
If younger sons had no right to arms, why ,
were cadency marks wanted ?
Heraldry is invaluable to the genealo-
gist ; its use is obvious. By no other
means can a whole pedigree be shown
in a minute space. Heraldry is more
valuable than mere initials which may
belong to anyone, nor can badges and
-ciphers describe a descent so clearly as can a I
small shield. Far better is a small shield on j
a tomb than a long-winded epitaph. It is I
the Heralds who have debased heraldry by
giving travesties of arms to anyone of a
similar name.
Sir William Dugdale may have made the j
three statements quoted, but these were
never carried out in real life. The best
authority on the subject is Gwillim, and the
proof is that all writers after him quote from
him. The number of letters sent to me
proves that heraldry is useful and that in the
years to come it will gain rather than lose
students, and that, as at present constituted,
the Heralds' College does not hold the
position it was created to fill and never will,
unless it is worked on a very different basis.
The above explains why very old families
use arms but have no record of a grant of any
kind. The pity is that by a very little
re -organization the Heralds' College might
become useful and hold a different position.
E. E. COPE.
Finchampstead Place, Berks.
I do not know if your correspondent has
read ' The Right to bear Arms,' by "X."
This book would probably give him all the
information he requires. In the 2nd ed.,
p. 116, the author states :
A Patent of Arms in England usually grants
arms ... to a man " and his descendants
according to the laws of arms." Often " the other
descendants of his Father " are added, and occasion-
ally, but very exceptionally, the limitation has
been still further widened. Such arms then
equally descend to all legitimate descendants in the
male line of those persons to whom the arms are
granted.
FREDERIC CROOKS.
THISTLETHWAYTE FAMILIES (12 S. ix.
331). The only arms that I can find
ascribed to the family of Thistlethwayte
are Or, on a bend azure three pheons of the
field. They are borne by Thistlethwayte
of Winterslow and by the branch of the
family which inherited Southwick Park, in
Hampshire. The arms on the book-plate
referred to by MR. PRICE are the same ; the
pheons are very indistinct in the engraving
but may easily be seen with a magnifying
glass. H. J. B. CLEMENTS.
The arms of the Hampshire family are
Or, on a bend azure, three pheons of the
field. I have two book-plates with the name
Alex. Thistlethwayte, Esq. One is equi-
lateral, the name on a tablet with five cupids,
I should say of Jacobean style ; size of plate
4 X 2J inches. The other is of Chippendale
style, size of plate 2 X If inches. The
crest, in both cases, a demi-lion holding a
pheon. There were two Alexanders of
Winterslow of about 1715-1750, which I
should say is about the date of the book
plates. HORACE W. MONCKTON.
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