Talk:The New International Encyclopædia

Information about this edition

Edition:

1905

Source:

OCR from archive.org proofread against facsimile from same source. Exception: Volume 8 is from Google Books and is the 1906 edition. Source links:

• 1 A - Aristogoras
• 2 Aristarchus - Bessières
• 3 Bessus - Cairns
• 4 Cairo - Classification of Ships
• 5 Classis - Da Vinci
• 6 Davioud - Ellery
• 7 Ellesmere - Fontanel
• 8 Fontanes - Goethe
• 9 Goethite - Heritable Jurisdictions
• 10 Herjulfson - Ishpeming
• 11 Ishtar - Latitudinarians
• 12 Latium - Manna
• 13 Manna-Croup - Morganitic Marriage
• 14 Morgan City - Omul (1907 edition at Google Books)
• 15 Ona - Pickering (missing pp. 6-7, but see an instance of the 1906 edition, which appears to be about the same thing, and does have them)
• 16 Pickersgill - Reid
• 17 Reifferscheid - Servian Wall
• 18 Service-berry - Tagus
• 19 Taharka - Vampire
• 20 Van - Zyrians

See also the Commons category.

The 1903 edition seems to have very similar, many times identical, page images, and better OCR:

• 1 A - Armeria
• 2 Armfelt - Bigelow
• 3 Big-endians - Canada
• 4 Canada Balsam - Colenso
• 5 Coleoptera - Desiderius
• 6 Design - Ethical
• 7 Ethics - Fuller-Maitland
• 8 Fuller's - Halitherium
• 9 Hall - Infant Phenomenon
• 10 Infantry - Larramendi
• 11 Larrey - Maximianus
• 12 Maximilian - New Jerusalem
• 13 New Kensington - Phigalian
• 14 Philadelphia - Rice-Bird
• 15 Rice Insects - Southard
• 16 South Australia - Typesetting
• 17 Typewriters - Zyrians

Footnotes:

Contributor(s):

Bob Burkhardt (a.k.a. Library Guy), djr13

Level of progress:

Mostly incomplete.

Notes:

Wikisource templates:

• Header for articles: Use {{NIE}}
• Header for index pages and subpages: Use {{NIE Index Page}}
• Linking to other articles within an article: Use {{NIE Article Link}}
• Citing Encyclopædia articles in author pages: Use {{NIE Link}}
• Linking pronunciation respellings to key: Use {{NIE key}}

Wikipedia templates:

• Citing Encyclopædia articles: {{Cite NIE}} (with optional public domain notice)
• Poster for linking to Encyclopædia articles: {{NIE Poster}}

Wiktionary templates:

• Linking to Encyclopædia articles: {{projectlink|NIE}}

In the sources, authors for some articles are listed at the beginning of each volume. The style manual for the 1911 Britannica project can serve here, as applicable, until one is formulated specifically for this project. A guideline for formulating article file names is to use the boldface text (not all caps) along with the small-caps text at the beginning of each article. All volumes now have index pages. At some point, sub-index pages will be introduced for each volume which provide a complete listing of article links.

Editors can refer to the Key to pronunciation for guidance on mapping characters in the source which don't seem readily available in a Latin font to characters that are more available. See also {{NIE key}} above.

Recent changes to NIE

Wikisource has a number of active Wikiprojects that could use your help in tackling these large additions to our library. The New International Encyclopædia Project Work: The New International Encyclopædia

Proofreaders:

Same as contributors.

Notes from a brief foray into NIE transcribing

Here are a few issues I noticed in my so far brief foray into transcribing a few pages of this work I found personally interesting. In noting anything incomplete or such, please note I do not whatsoever mean to imply fault in any editor (indeed some of it I could or might do given time); yes, I know Wikisource tends to develop and evolve piecemeal. Noting in case anyone might find the time to approach these issues.

• Several volumes and indexes are still missing from Commons and Wikisource.
  • Lots of little bits of metadata that could be propagated amongst the existing file description pages and indexes.
• So far only Volume 11 has an index with a pagelist marked ready for proofreading.
• I've converted the three existing articles covered by the scans to transclude this, but have so far refrained from creating the new articles, as I am unsure if there is additional work that should be done with topics and their Wikipedia articles, for example.
• I encountered a few issues transcribing pronunciation keys, and found the NIE article describing these keys and the note in the header to not be particularly helpful, and perhaps even erroneous.
  • For example, it advises substituting macron+dot diacritics with macron+accent, even when many of these symbols do have precomposed equivalents, and when the ones that don't can use combining characters to allow the correct symbol to be typed, rather than just of vaguely similar appearance.
  • It also seems to suggest using bolded and unbolded apostrophes to indicate stress, but NIE actually sometimes indicates three or more levels of stress. I mentioned this on its talk page.
• I had not noticed the advice above ("A guideline for formulating article file names is to use the boldface text (not all caps) along with the small-caps text at the beginning of each article.") until I had already named some transclusion-section-labels based on other article titles on NIE that seem to also include the parts of names not in small-caps (formal titles in biographies), such as KRÜDENER, Barbara Juliane, Baroness von.
• Currently, NIE on Wikisource seems to at best imply (as at the top of this page) that the 1905 edition is the edition of reference, be it in transcription or in coverage, but the generic naming scheme, header and other template functionality seem to imply that either edition can be mixed and matched however convenient. This is against basic Wikisource practices, but more importantly, it confuses me as to how I might go about contributing some articles from other editions.

I look forward to further expanding Wikisource's coverage of NIE. :) djr13 (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in this project. I actually originated it, though under another user name (Bob Burkhardt). I plan to devote more attention to NIE in the near future. I am currently devoting most of my attention to EB1911. My idea is to transcribe articles for all 50 states of the United States which I have done for Britannica (9th and 11th editions) and other works.

See Volume XVIII for my approach to handling articles from the 2nd edition. I think I have documented the sources well for the 1916 articles, so I don't feel I've violated Wikisource practices, but another approach might be in order. I didn't really want to take the time to develop a separate project for the 2nd edition, especially as there are so many gaps in the source, which gaps I hope will be filled in the future by additional scans.

On the pronunciation key, I wanted to have characters that were not composed since I found the composed characters difficult to work with. Again another approach might be in order. I am not that Unicode literate.

I haven't used transclusion on this work for the most part, although I expect in the future that will happen more, and existing articles will be converted. I installed what volumes I did just for easy access to the text layers, and I expect to install all 20 volumes eventually if nobody else does it. Doing the indexes is of course a lot of work, and I am not pursuing it beyond creating stubs at this point. It is nice to know v. 11 has been handled completely. Even if the index is a stub, you can still transclude using the {{page}} template, where the page number is specified in the template, so you don't have to rely on the index being accurate. But like I said I am not transcluding for this work currently.

For the link labels for the articles, I try to follow EB1911 guidelines pretty much, but I like the labels to be complete, so I am not too pedantic about it. For Krüdener, the von is obviously an integral part of her name, so I went ahead and grabbed two words from the normal text. So that's a situation where I make an exception.

I like your transcriptions of the three articles linked to above, and I look forward to working with you on this project. I look forward to NIE getting more attention. I find it to be a very interesting work. My 50 states sub-project is a sort of literary archaeology to familiarize myself more with what NIE has to offer. I am very impressed with what I've seen so far.

—Library Guy (talk) 23:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I have begun transcluding articles, but I still use the non-transcluded format when that is convenient. Either format seems satisfactory to me, but eventually I think all articles will be transcluded. Except for v. 8 which seems to be missing at archive.org, though it is available at Google, all the volumes are now uploaded and scan indexes are being developed. Library Guy (talk) 20:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect volume title

The title of Vol. 13 (XIII) of the 1905 edition is given as Manna-Croup - Morganitic Marriage: it should be Morganatic Marriage.

This starts on the main page

[[/Volume XIII Manna-Croup - Morganitic Marriage|XIII Manna-Croup - Morganitic Marriage]]

and extends to e.g. New International Encyclopædia/Volume XIII Manna-Croup - Morganitic Marriage.

I imagine this needs the attention of someone with admin-type rights. Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 12:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)