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The so-called "Haka Mate"Edit

I like what you did, and you have done right in your translation. I went in to read the Russian Wikipedia article in the subject and it is not nearly as complete as yours. Incidentally, there is none of the legally required attribution on the Russian article. Perhaps that has to do with the fact that the legislative of the Russian Federation doesn't feel like they need to protect a minorities right to a poem of sorts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:9a2d:c99b:0:45:d16e:c501 (talk)

Man or the State?Edit

I’ve finished proofreading this but am not up to transcluding. If you would like to carry on, please? Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 04:33, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Guerilla Open Access ManifestoEdit

Please undelete, it's PD: https://archive.org/details/GuerillaOpenAccessManifestoJustin (koavf)TCM 22:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Koavf: IA is frequently known to incorrectly display a PD mark on copyrighted material. The only licensing for this work indicated by Schwartz or his heirs is the text (cc) share and enjoy on Schwartz's personal website, which is not sufficient under the Wikisource copyright policy. And lest you think that the reference to (cc) should make it allowable: Schwartz's CC license of choice (and the license that most of his other work is properly licensed under) is CC-BY-NC-SA which is explicitly incompatible with Wikisource. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 03:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah but did you read the document? It's obviously intended to be reproduced. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
@Koavf: See WS:CV#Guerilla Open Access Manifesto. I fought tooth and nail for keeping this, and even I ultimately had to admit we don't have the grounds for keeping it. Quite apart from the (in themselves persuasive) arguments Beleg Tâl and Prosfilaes make in the WS:CV discussion, I talked to Aaron's estate about it and it is clear that CC BY-NC is at least as likely an interpretation of his intent as BY-SA. --Xover (talk) 06:18, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Wow. Thanks, Xover. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:43, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back!Edit

Good to see you active again; I was starting to get a little worried. :) --Xover (talk) 05:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@Xover: haha, thanks. I realized I had a problem when I saw that I had learned more in the last year about obscure wikisyntax and Lua and Lilypond and SPARQL than about the stuff I'm actually paid to know about. So now I'm only checking in once in a while to make sure everything's ok. -BT 172.97.146.200 19:45, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
You mean you don't get paid for this wiki stuff? :)
Yeah, taking a break now and again is good for one's sanity; preferably before burning out and never returning. Enjoy (I sincerely hope!) IRL, and stop by to say hi when the fancy takes you. You'll be missed, of course, but I'll try to restrain myself from filling up your notifications with stuff that might rope you in until you're ready to dive back in. Try, mind you, but no promises! :-) --Xover (talk) 13:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

An inquiryEdit

I understand that on 18 January 2018 you deleted from Wikisource an 1873 published lecture by Bolesław Prus, "On Discoveries and Inventions".

I know too little about the intricacies of Wikisource licensing to understand what might have been done in order to keep Prus' lecture on Wikisource.

I feel sure that this item is of value to scholarship and that no actual impediment exists to its being reinstated, if proper Wikisource licensing can be provided.

I would appreciate any advice you could give me on how this could be accomplished.

I work mostly on the English-language Wikipedia.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 05:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nihil novi: The issue is that, while the Polish original is in the public domain due to copyright expiration, the translation was licensed only under the GFDL, which is not permitted. In order for us to host such a translation it has to be compatibly licensed, typically through either a public domain dedication like {{CC0}} or through the appropriate Creative Commons license, {{CC-BY-SA-4.0}}. Technically all user contributions to Wikimedia projects (with a few exceptions that are not relevant here) are automatically dual-licensed under {{CC-BY-SA-3.0}} and {{GFDL}}, but you had explicitly tagged your translation with only GFDL, which is what created the problem.
Looking at the revision history of the deleted text, it looks like you were the one to translate all of it, and that it was an original translation (you didn't copy the text from anywhere)? If that is the case, it will be sufficient if you reply here stating clearly which license you intend to apply to your translation.
There are also a couple of technicalities we need to fix: since it is an original translation by a Wikisource contributor (vs. a previously published translation) it needs to live in the "Translation:" namespace (i.e. we need to move the page to the correct place); and the translated text should be backed by a scan and proofread in the Page: namespace as well as having the Polish original proofread in the Polish Wikisource.
Beleg Tâl is busy IRL right now, but if you need assistance with these things just let me know and I'll follow up on your talk page. --Xover (talk) 09:26, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Xover (talk), thank you for your kind reply.
I am indeed the translator of Bolesław Prus' published lecture, "On Discoveries and Inventions", from the original Polish into English.
I found the original Polish text on Project Gutenberg: O odkryciach i wynalazkach: A Public Lecture Delivered on 23 March 1873 by Aleksander Głowacki [Bolesław Prus], Passed by the [Russian] Censor (Warsaw, 21 April 1873), Warsaw, Printed by F. Krokoszyńska, 1873. [1]
The Project Gutenberg text can serve for verification of my translation.
I do not know the differences between licenses {{CC-BY-SA-4.0}} and {{CC-BY-SA-3.0}} but will happily take your advice to add the latter.
If there is anything further I need do in this matter, or if I need to urgently return to this page (as I do not visit Wikisource daily), could I be notified at my Wikipedia talk page?
Please forgive my ignorance: what is "IRL"?
Thank you again for your help!
Nihil novi (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I've just found the definition of IRL ("in real life").
Nihil novi (talk) 03:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

he.wikisource "In other languages" broken linkEdit

Hi, the page

https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%9F_%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94_%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%94

has "In other languages" in the bar on the right, pointing to

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Shulchan_Aruch/Yoreh_Deah

which is the old deleted location, but when clicking "Edit," the Wikidata entry is correct, en: Translation:Shulchan Aruch/Yoreh Deah So why is this error? Nissimnanach (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)Nissimnanach