Hello, Psychless, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here. If you need help, see our help pages (especially Adding texts and Wikisource's style guide). You can discuss or ask questions from the community in general at the Scriptorium. The Community Portal lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page. —Zhaladshar (Talk) 19:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

On EB1911Edit


Thank you so much for working on EB1911! You are right, though; the project is relatively inactive right now. There isn't any one big reason why it is, outside of the fact that on a wiki where everyone volunteers, things just happen that move them on to other projects away from what they had been doing. For me personally, at one point after I started the project, we had a massive restructuring of Wikisource (and it's still going on today in a smaller form, too) which I was very involved in. This took me away from adding content and working on the Encyclopedia to work heavily with what we already had. I hope in the future, once a few of my long-standing projects are finished up, to help pick up work on the Encyclopedia, but I do not know when that will be. If you want to try to spur interest in the project, perhaps the best thing to do right now is to advertise for it. We're still really small and most of the heavy contributors no longer actively work on it, so outside help is very much needed.  :) —Zhaladshar (Talk) 19:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I have answered the call on Wikisource:Bot_requests#1911_Encyclop.C3.A6dia_Britannica_maintenance_one-use_bot. :-) John Vandenberg 02:30, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
There is still a lot of automated cleanup that I have yet to do; so far I have only fixed the horrible links to Wikipedia. There are a few unanswered questions on the Bot request page; if you could answer those briefly it will help me know how to proceed with the remaining automated tasks. John Vandenberg 23:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
For your enjoyment: User:Psychless/Temp. In the process, I found that we have a few less than 2019 EB1911 articles (excluding index pages). I havent attempted to automatically add templates to these pages, as the next/forward links are a lot of work to derive, and many of these pages need additional cleanup that a bot will not perform well. If you think it is benefical, I can have the bot automatically add the template without forward/next values to be added by someone afterwards. John Vandenberg 16:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Tables on EB1911Edit

Hi, Psychless,

Sorry this reply is so late. To be honest, I'm not really sure what tables you are referring to. Are these tables that are in the agriculture article itself? I'm probably just completely not understanding the question, so if you could clarify for me, I'd really appreciate it. :D —Zhaladshar (Talk) 01:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes, that clarifies things. Thank you; I was very tired when I read your question. I'd advocate using wikitables if at all possible. I know it's a ton more work (there are times I've spent hours turning tables into wikitables for works I've uploaded), but my philosophy is to have as much of an article as text as possible. I just think it looks nicer to have them textual than as images. Of course, the choice is up to you how you do it.  :) And if you do upload the tables as images, you might want leave a note on Wikisource:Requests for assistance to have a bored editor help with converting the images to text.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 16:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth CenturyEdit

Hi, I have noticed that you are transcribing History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century by page, which is an excellent idea. While we don't have images for this, I think it would be a good idea to move the pages into the usual page structure.

I have created Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century, and moved the first two pages, 1 and 2, into the "Page:" namespace.

As a result, the pages are automatically linked to the index and forward/back. (see new buttons at the tops of the pages.

Also, we can use special syntax to create "entries" from these pages. I have updated History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century/4/Table of Contents to link to three: Charles H. Abbot, Alonzo Abernethy, and Austin Adams.

If you approve of this, I can automatically move the rest of the pages from "x" to the "Page:x". If you dont like it, I'll undo my changes. John Vandenberg 07:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The header is not necessary on pages prefixed with Page:, because the system automatically adds navigation buttons for next/prev and up to the Index, so it could be removed.
The benefit of moving them into the "Page:" namespace is that it separates the page-by-page view from the per-entry view. i.e. most readers will want to view/print complete entries, such as Charles H. Abbot, Alonzo Abernethy, and Austin Adams; they are less likely to want to read/print the pages as they appeared in print, because they contain multiple entries, and often the one entry they want to read is split across multiple pages, so they would need to print two pages rather than one.
By the way, have you seen this; they have a large part of the text already digitised: Vol 1-4 - there are parts missing, but if you are typing it out by hand, copying from that site will save you a lot of time.
I am not sure what you mean by "add a table containing links to all the pages," but I am sure I can do it :-) John Vandenberg 14:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, it should be all done, barring mistakes on my part. Let me know if you see anything that looks odd. The index isnt like a typical book index - it's a list of pages, and there are probably other constraints on how the index page can be presented. We can certainly try to improve it, and in doing so learn of these constraints by trial and error :-) John Vandenberg 19:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I have been slow coming back to this:

Why do we have a "read book without images" section?

Because typically, the Page: namespace is used for text&images, such as Index:H.R. Rep. No. 94-1476. I used used the boilerplate index page, which you have already started customising which is great to see.

What's the red linked image?

Because I was hoping that we could upload a good image of the book cover or front page to show readers what edition we have on Wikisource.

What's the summary section for?

A place to summarise the book; again this comes from the boilerplate index page.

And finally, what will we do with History of Iowa/Volume 4?

Now that you have created "Page:"'s as a faithful reproduction, there is less need for History of Iowa/Volume 4 to remain strictly arranged in the printed fashion. As a result, you can now improvise and find a layout that improves the reading and/or navigation experience. I like it as it is, except for the unnecessary footer, which I tried to remove but was unsuccessful (I have yet to figure out how to control the footer properly - I think there are a few peculiarities in the way it works). As this is a complex work with several volumes, it is probably a good idea to create the structure for all four volumes before settling on a "final" structure. Many of our bigger works move around a few times before they settle.

I also believe that we could probably just have one index for all four volumes: Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century.

Yes, that could work. There doesnt appear to be any required structure on those index pages, except that the link to each page must be in order as they appear in the book. As a result, ideally we want the "facing pages" to be inserted onto the index in the correct sequence, like you have done with F1 (between page xviii and 1). It might be easier to manage without tables, such as Index:The New Student's Reference Work.

Would it be best to simply copy the images off the google page images, or should I obtain a copy of the book..

I cant see the google book pages, probably because I am in Australia. As a result I cant see what they are like. Ideally, we want high resolution images. I have downloaded all of the images here and can upload them all as an interim solution if you dont plan to tackle the images for a little while. John Vandenberg 04:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Your note at ScriptoriumEdit

Hi, thanks for explaining a few things about the organization of History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century and about the Page namespace. In fact, after posting at Scriptorium myself, I looked at my own contributions and found that there was a menu that allowed me to choose the namespace, and there was a namespace called "Page". I hope you didn't think I was targetting you in any way. Really, I was trying to find out if I had done the right thing in marking the pages as patrolled when I didn't really understand them. If I have further questions about your contributions, I'll come to this page, but I'll generally assume that you know what you're doing more than I do - at least for the moment! Cowardly Lion 22:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

H.R. Rep. 94-1476Edit

When you have a moment, would you mind proofreading Page 1 of the House Report and incrementing the page quality counter if it looks OK? I’m working my way through the rest of the first section of the document (all the pages that reproduce the actual text of the draft bill) and will try to stitch them together into a single page once they all reach 100% status (which I see we are now calling “validated”). Thanks! Tarmstro99 14:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The page was free of errors :). I will be on Wikisource infrequently in the next few weeks, so that will explain any long response times. Psychless 00:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Not to worry, I’m very grateful for your help. Tarmstro99 14:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I’ve stitched together the first section of the House Report based on the scanned pages, and the results look really good. You can see the results of your editing work at Copyright Law Revision (House Report No. 94-1476). When you have time, would you mind proofing pages 47 through 53 and incrementing the page quality setting? Many thanks! Tarmstro99 19:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

physical and/or logical structureEdit

Sorry I havent been able to keep up with you on this one. I didnt realise you had finished Volume 4. That is excellent!

Yes, I have put a bit of work into Volume 1, because the text has already been transcribed by the people here.

I notice that you had redirected History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century to Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century, and History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century/4 to Index:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century. I have undone those two redirects, and will explain why now.

All "Page:" pages are there for recording the physical structure of the book. i.e. each page, one by one. Some people want to read the book like that.

However we present all books in chapters and entries. You will recall that I set up a few biographical entries:

If you click edit on each of those pages, you will see that they actually contain no text -- they slurp in the text from the "Page" pages.

In this way, we can have both the physical appearance and the logical structure without any duplication of text. While you would prefer that the "Index:" is the default, those index pages are intended to provide access to the physical structure, which is not appropriate for typical reading. As an example, Faust (von Goethe) is default; Index:Faust, 1925 is not. None of our indexes are the default, because readers do not typically want to read one page at a time. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

wrt to [1], I can remove this with a bot. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I've listed the biog. entries on the main Vol.4 page. Is that OK?
Also in regards to Vol 4., I am pretty sure that I can use my bot to automatically create all of the biog. entries from the transcribed pages. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
the {{PageQuality}} tags have been removed from all pages. I'm still working on creating all of the biog entries. John Vandenberg (chat) 06:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your help making this week's Wikisource:Collaboration of the Week the most successful week yet! Author:Sabine Baring-Gould is now the definitive collection of eTexts by this author on the entire internet! Did you transcribe The Fireman by hand, or manage to get an OCR to actually read that messy scan? Either way, very impressive and thank you! Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould 06:31, 9 February 2008 (UTC) I'd probably add the "Auntie", since "Odd People I Have Met" seems to be a notable book by Author:Lew Parker, according to Google at least :) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould 02:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

And as reward for all that transcription...see the sig! Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare 04:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
nudge could use another work or two by Hare - I'm tempted to tackle either the Letters or the Will, you want to take one and I'll take the other? Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Augustus John Cuthbert Hare 01:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

This weeks collaboration project is G. W. Bush. Please take the time this week to identify and/or transcribe one important work by, or involving, this very prominent person who is relevant to us all. John Vandenberg (chat) 03:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopædia Britannica bot maintenanceEdit

Hello Psychless. In July 2007 you posted a request for 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica bot maintenance. Is the request still applicable? If so, Pathosbot could take care of it. —{admin} Pathoschild 20:57:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

All taken care of (except implementing {{bbsc}}, since there doesn't seem to be consensus for that format and it's not used in the original). —{admin} Pathoschild 09:55:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


hi, I suggest that you do not add pagequality that way; these pages will need to be moved to the corresponding 'djvu' name. once this is done, the pagequality template will be added to the header of the page, when the corresponding button is pressed. however, if you add pagequality before, I am not sure whether the software will be able to handle it correctly; it might get confused...

ThomasV 19:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop altering Vol.1 and see Index talk:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century‎. The existing pages need to be moved to the DJVU files that Matt uploaded -- there is no need to create 4000 separate images like Page:HOI 1903 Volume 1 page 10.djvu. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
We should be able to set up a bot to do the page moves. The only complication may be that the pages dont map directly, perhaps due to the pages which are illustrations. If there are no complications, it should be simple to automate.
This will be a valuable experiment, as we also have another case where a DJVU has arrived after a large number of transcribed pages have been completed.
Did you see that Vol. 2 is ready to be populated with the text from here? John Vandenberg (chat) 20:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I have commented at Index talk:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century; in short, yes you are right, it would be difficult to automate this.
Regarding Vol 2., I could automatically upload the OCR text, like scan 18, or the text could be manually copied from here. Either way some manual work is required. John Vandenberg (chat) 20:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Curious Myths of the Middle AgesEdit

You sir, do good work Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:John McCain and Author:Barack Obama 03:06, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


I didn't make that PDF and am really not a technical person at all. I have objection to the proposal but I am really not able to add much insight, but I will share my thoghts.--BirgitteSB 03:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


I was just reviewing recent changes and noticed you have been doing a lot of volunteer work here, It looks like you have been doing good quality work for over a year with more then 3,000 contributions User edit counter, with your permission, I would like to nominate you for Adminship Wikisource:Adminship. Jeepday 19:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Response at my talk. Jeepday (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I am glad to present - Wikisource:Administrators#Psychless, Jeepday (talk) 10:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


I just saw that you've been proofing some Longfellow poems. Thanks a bunch; those have been listed for quite some time, and I was hoping someone would eventually get around to doing some.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 19:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, about as far as I could see it's been about 50-50 in promoting them to 100% (about half the time they are promoted upon the second proofing, the other half they aren't). I just usually promote after the second person proofreads a work because by that time I believe the works are highly reliable and it would be a waste for another editor to scrutinize it. So, my vote is just to promote it upon proofing. :) —Zhaladshar (Talk) 20:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

HOI updateEdit

There is one page left that starts with Page:History of Iowa From the Earliest Times to the Beginning of the Twentieth Century/1/. Does it need to be moved somewhere or deleted?

Also, our bots can upload very good quality OCR for all of Volume 2 & 3. This OCR is usually much better the results of the "OCR" button (which is a different bot), but I'll do a few pages shortly so you can make up your mind which way you want to proceed. If you ever need a bot to upload the text for a DJVU, it can be requested by listing the index page at WS:TP#DJVU files with a text layer. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I just remembered, the text for volume 2 & 3 are available here. Do you want the OCR text, which will need to be cleaned up, or would it be more efficient to copy&paste this? John Vandenberg (chat) 12:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Volume 3 leafs 175-360 uploaded. :-) John Vandenberg (chat) 10:21, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911 in DJVU formatEdit

Hi there,

You requested the djvu version of the Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911. I've uploaded it to archive.org, click here. It should work now.

Magnentius 18:44, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Psychless,

You are now a sysop.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 14:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Re:Style IssueEdit

Do you mean that on the author page you list individual poems? I believe this book also has a few other contributors (maybe around 3) so I'm not sure if it would be best to include them within her book (as a whole) or omit them entirely. What do you think?Theornamentalist 17:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikisource:Transcription ProjectsEdit


I think that most indexes you added are duplicates (redirects, etc.). Regards, Yann (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't check all, but with a quick look, I removed [2] 7 listed titles. Yann (talk) 20:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Final push for the Proofread of the Month...Edit

This month's Proofread of the Month, Index:The Pilgrim Cookbook.djvu, is still a ways away from being fully validated. However, we're within striking distance.

If all ten members proofread just two (but preferably three) pages a day, we'll be able to finish the book before the end of the month.

We can do it. :) EVula // talk // 01:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Chapter moveEdit

I noticed you moved, The Pilgrim Cook Book/Candies to The Pilgrim Cook Book/Candies (and many similar moves). Per Wikisource:Style guide#General guidelines, Subpage titles should be separated from the parent title by a forward slash ([[Title/Chapter 1]]). Sections should be numbered, not named ([[Title/Chapter 1]] and not [[Title/The Dog Returns]]). I was wondering why you moved them? Jeepday (talk) 09:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Response my talk. Jeepday (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Response at my talk. Jeepday (talk) 11:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Seem like a good idea, took it to Wikisource:Scriptorium#Subpage_title_formats for review. Jeepday (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


No problem, just toss me a link. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:John McCrae 14:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Five minutes a page, you owe me some serious COTW work this week ;) In the future, please use {{Arabic missing}} on any pages that need Arabic text added :) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: e. e. cummings‎. 02:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The page did not seem to be accurate at all. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: e. e. cummings‎. 05:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Oops, forgot to revert myself -- I remove all the redlinks for the "see the improvements" link for COTW, but normally remember to add them back in Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Nikola Tesla‎. 23:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Here, not entirely sure what you're removing but I'll trust you didn't screw up and remove a large amount supposed to be there. But a quick note that I think it's perhaps wiser to create redirects, than fix capitalisations/grammar/fullTitlesVsCommonTitles -- since in the future, people will look for it under a specific url or search, and might not find it if they included "THE x y z" in their search or something. But nice clean-up work so far. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Nostradamus‎. 03:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


Hey, following your (and everybody's) contributions to the discussion on the Scriptorium about buying books online specifically for Wikisource, I've created Wikisource:Purchases and request you all check it out; add books you see for sale anywhere online (not just eBay) that you'd like to see some collaborative interest on, and sign up to help on existing listings. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Bahá'u'lláh. 15:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only person who uses this talk page? SheeshEdit

Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Joseph McCabe. 17:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC) <-- Note collaboration, get to work.

Ingram and I have been hard at work, hope to see The Story of Evolution finished in the next day or two! Good choice for COTW btw, some very interesting stuff here. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Joseph McCabe. 20:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Proofread SwapEdit

Hi, Psychless,

That's an interesting proposition. I'm willing to do a proof trade. Although, my requests on Wikisource:Proofreading are out of date a little bit, and I no longer care if those are proofed or not. Here's what I'd like proofed, however.

and 100 pages of Index:Myth, Ritual, and Religion (Volume 1).djvu.

This all totals to about 414 pages of proofreading. I'm not too worried about pace, because I know it will take me some time to proof the entire Court Royal because of my other ongoing projects. Let me know what you think.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 14:49, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Index:Mehalah 1920.djvuEdit

Gday. I have purged this file in the Commons, and this has made the text layer available via the Index: and there making this an easier task to transcribe. billinghurst sDrewth 16:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Psychless 20:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

1911 Encyclopædia BritannicaEdit

Hi, these files are now superseded by Index:EB1911 - Volume 01.djvu. I think they were created because the maximum file size on commons was 10Mo, nowadays 100Mo. I proposed to delete them here Phe (talk) 07:04, 10 August 2010 (UTC)


I have just put up the admin confirmations for November, and have marked yours as inactive. You may or may not wish to comment. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:23, 4 November 2011 (UTC)