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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 14:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)Reply

A DNBer :-)

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Gday. By now I do hope that you have come across WS:DNB.

As a couple of pointers. For links internal to the wiki, especially between DNB articles, we created {{DNB lkpl}}, and I munged together {{d}} which crunches something like {{subst:d|Peter Paul|Benazech}} to give Peter Paul Benazech. We have a number of other tricks and guidance on the page. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:44, 2 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

thank you, i only saw that at MoS after doing a couple of piped links. will try to return and fix those. expect to get some transcription done at DNB. please note any obvious errors, that i can avoid. Slowking4 (talk) 13:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
Hello there, thanks for the DNB contributions. I've fixed up the three "problem" articles on your userpage: different transclusion problems (page range, markup issue, missing text). Charles Matthews (talk) 07:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
thanks, i have gone back back and fixed sometimes. Slowking4 (talk) 10:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Reply
Two further ones: it was the same each time, missing </poem> further up the page confusing the transclusion. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Two more: markup, one an extra row of ####, the other was d. that had got in by mistake. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
thanks, i've been fight the #### in ie. the nice thing about the article transclusion is that it catches the code errors, and disambigs. i see you're moving some article names, which i mindlessly got from toc, there is some confusion between the volume toc, and the author page list; and typos, will try to cleanup. Slowking4 (talk) 13:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
There's a point you might note about "tacit disambiguation", which comes up frequently. Basically if the first part of a name occurs as the initial part of another name, we put in dates. The point of the messy lists is to generate better ToCs; they have been typed in from a handbook, onto the author pages; and then sorted. They still have their problems (disambiguations, and the fact that the order isn't correct). I use them to check that the author pages tally with the correct names as created, when redlinks show up. Keep up the good work. A couple of things to look out for: "bom" for "born" is a common typo to miss. Also dates are subject to OCR errors: "l" for "1" is very common, and it happens frequently that 5 is read as 6. Charles Matthews (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
thanks, yes i noticed - 5 for 6 about half the time? i'm including the em dash when inline of text, not always that way. the greek letters are always wrong. do we want to tag greek and latin pages for expert review? i dunno if i have those right. Slowking4 (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

Speedy deletes?

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Hi,

Sorry to bother you but I felt it best to double check before I went ahead and deleted all These DNB articles. It seems you did blank the pages but another User, who is not a regular such as yourself (in my view at least), went further and tagged them all with {{Speedy}} delete today.

In short, I'm just not sure if you intended on finishing them up and forgot or if you blanked them because they are no longer needed / redundant / created in error and so on. Let me know here either way. Thanks. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

yes thank-you. i was blanking the page, after a cut and paste move, rather that a move, since i didn't think the wrong name was appropriate for a forward. i see it's also done the other way. Slowking4 (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

  Done -- thanks for your timely reply & good work! -- George Orwell III (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

Draft of the Smithson will

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I've realised that I got pages 1 and 3 the wrong way around when creating the DjVu of Smithson's will. I will correct this later today and move the pages of text that you have already proofread when I do so. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 12:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

thanks very much, the smithsonian fellow will be excited (i noticed reading it, it's in letter order 3214). Slowking4 (talk) 12:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
transcript here, but capitalization wrong [1] Slowking4 (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

{{gap}} takes parameters

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A quick note to say that {{gap}} can be fed with distance, eg. {{gap|10em}} will put in a ten em gap. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

thanks, that will help with variable indents, but how to measure the em space indentation, for instance at the address of a letter for instance [2]; [3]? Slowking4 (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2012 (UTC)Reply

Page triage

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Have you looked over the new patrolling feature I proposed us enabling at the Scriptorium? It does not interfere with the current method of patrolling so no one would be forced to switch if it were brought in. --BirgitteSB 01:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

ok i will give it a try, don't see a wikipedia link; contributor field. Slowking4 (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Reply
the next article appears not to link Miller,_Edward_(DNB00); Miller, George (DNB00). Slowking4 (talk) 13:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

"Tacit" disambiguation

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Hi there. By moving Christie, William (1748-1823) (DNB00) to Christie, William (DNB00) you were relying on "tacit" disambiguation from Christie, William Dougal (DNB00). I.e. that the reader would know that the William Christie in question happened not to have a middle name. The project decided quite some time ago that the more robust explicit disambiguation by dates is better in this type of case. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:38, 7 August 2012 (UTC)Reply

ok, feel free to change back. hard for me to decide between conflicting contributor and volume link. Slowking4 (talk) 20:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)Reply

The volume ToCs are actually not that reliable. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)Reply

Few things while validating...

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I wasn't sure if you were aware of {{hws}}/{{hwe}} (hyphenated word start/end) for tackling hyphenated words between pages; also, while validating some pages you have proofread, I have been eliminating spaces left before/after some punctuation (quotation marks, colons, semi-colons, exclamation marke, etc.). I thought to address a third issue as well (with regard to {{fs90}}), but as I was beginning to address it, I noticed some possible template issues I had questions about and addressed them at the Scriptorium instead. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC):Reply

yes, i am aware, i plead laziness. the fs90 i picked up from another editor; wrestling with how to show those blocks of quotations through the work. Slowking4 (talk) 21:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Personally, I like how the following renders in the Main: {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Page||<div style="margin:1.0em 2.0em 1.0em 2.0em; text-align:justify;">}} / {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Page||</div>}}. I just forgot about it until recently. Add a smaller text size to the equation, and it would look much better in the Mainspace. Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
that's pretty slick, color me confused how to implement, might play with it; needs to be rolled out across the book. Slowking4 (talk) 03:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
If an agreement can be made on some other type of formatting, I wouldn't be against applying the changes myself; but probably not until next week. Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
if you did a couple to show me how, i would follow; i'm sure people would follow your lead; you could also drop a note on scriptorium to build consensus. Slowking4 (talk) 03:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Different topic, but not requiring a whole new section: The DNB author of the "Arnould" article on this page reads "F.R." in the original, but you have (OCR error?) listed it as "F.E." (with a link to another(?) author). I'd look it up, but am short on time, and can't remember exactly where the list of authors are (in Index) for the DNB. Just thought I'd make mention. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

thanks, yes, i tend to miss the contributor when copyediting, but pick them up when i transclude later. also clean up contributor bio name versus TOC name conflicts. E for R is common. (new editors with funky lower case in supplement.) Slowking4 (talk) 18:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thinking about reasons why editors would choose the lazy route here... then I remembered a situation (et. al.) where I got lazy. Londonjackbooks (talk) 21:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for training me!

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And, I found some aeronautics history in Popular Science Monthly that is immediately useful to my research and I'm reading and proofing that. -- Econterms (talk) 09:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

PotM quotation formatting

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Quick note. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

ok, i am agnostic, this seems to be a common practice among printers to show block quotes as smaller type. the indent on the block quote is quite different from the source text. Slowking4 (talk)
It is... but since the formatting suggestion was made on the Talk page, and no one else 'challenged' it, I thought I'd alert you for the sake of uniformity. At least you are not apathetic. Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
...or lazy ;) Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

References, Greek & typos

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I wanted to let you know that I re-proofread the page Page:EB1911 - Volume 16.djvu/151 and noted that the reference which started on the previous page continued on to this page, and so I utilized the ref-name/ref-follow method (hoping I handled the reference placement correctly). There was Greek within the reference that was not proofread. If you are unsure of how to add Greek, just place {{Greek missing}} in place of the Greek, and someone will come along and add it for you eventually. I also noted tens of typos, mostly consisting of failure to italicize words or phrases, spelling/character errors, date errors, and failure to remove line spaces. Granted, many of the errors can be difficult to detect (as my eyes can attest to), but there were too many errors overall, in my opinion, to have marked the page as being proofread. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

quite right, i've been spoiled by the quality of the ocr's over at DNB. i will stop validating for a while, making more red pages, and use more zoom button for the smaller characters. this is part of my ongoing effort to transcribe EB1911, for articles in wikipedia that are cut paste from there. Slowking4 (talk) 18:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Wikisource meetup or training

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Hey Slowking,
Over the weekend I was talking with Econterms and he mentioned that you might be able to help train Wikipedia editors who are interested in Wikisource. It is tentatively planned for the summer, likely to be in NYC. Is this something you are interested in? - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

yes, sure, although, i'm more a proofreader, than coder. i could used some match and split help. Slowking4 (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Which work do you need match & split help with? I can have a look for you. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
sorry, it was a more general discontent. but Goddard Rocket Apparatus Patent; from here [4] (didn't get from jpg to dejavu) the process is very opaque to me. need something for non-coders, hence my passing on the desire for a wizard from GLAM archivists. Slowking4 (talk) 02:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, not my area of expertise. I just upload documents to IA and hope that they will produce the appropriate go-with files. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'm more of a proofreader myself, never actually (successfully) used M&S myself. Maybe that's something we could work on at the meetup. - Theornamentalist (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
About Goddard, is the problem creating a DjVu file from 3 Jpegs or skipping that stage and creating an Index page based on individual Jpegs? Both are possible. I ask because I seem to have extracted an image from the second page and I haven't done anything with it (and I can't remember why at the moment). - AdamBMorgan (talk) 11:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
yes, i think. loss of momentum to do extracted image, when the other text only docs were done.. Slowking4 (talk) 14:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hübmaier headers

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WE seem to be fomatting these differently on the pages we've done. You've been using the smaller template for dates (but not larger for the section title, I note), whereas I've felt that shrinking the dates isn't imporant, since they won't show up in the transcribed work anyway. Thoughts? --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

yeah, flip a coin; last one there gets last word. i was just happy to figure out that "ref follow". this work has some funny across the open page formatting that will get lost in transcription. Slowking4 (talk) 21:58, 2 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I started work on a another book with a similar issue, where the pages typically consist of more footnote text than running text. The footnotes can span two, or even three pages sometimes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
the headers are shruggable, useful mainly for navigating and proofreading. the body and footnotes are more important. note there was also some quoted text in body at reduced font; it has been done 90% in other works. Slowking4 (talk) 15:29, 4 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I haven't come across much of that, but our "finer block" template uses 92% rather than 90%. I'm not entirely sure why this is so, but I suspect it has something to do with resultion of text being easier for machines to handle. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Wikisource User Group

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Wikisource, the free digital library is moving towards better implementation of book management, proofreading and uploading. All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English), the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. To get the best results out of these projects, we would like your comments about them. The projects are listed at Wikisource across projects. You can find the midpoint report for developmental work done during the IEG on Wikisource here.

Global message delivery, 23:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:DNB LRP

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What I always do is to go to an existing template such as Template:DNB AA, edit the author and initial fields there, copy but don't save, and paste into the new template to save. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:29, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

yes, thanks for noticing my confusion. the code is very opaque. the template documentation refers to DNB authors not supplement authors. about 20 more to do. Slowking4 (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

The "noinclude" stuff is the standard gimmick to get a category on the template page, but not on pages where the template occurs ... Charles Matthews (talk) 08:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Oops, sorry

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You may be getting a notification that I've reverted one of your edits to this page (depending on how you have Echo set up). Sorry about that; it was an accident. I clipped the rollback link when I was counting edits. I rolled back my roll back, so there is no lasting effect, but I thought I should explain. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 18:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

yes, i thought you didn’t like the {{smaller|}} for {{small block|}}; no worries. Slowking4 (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Tenth Anniversary Contest winner

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WS:10 winner

Congratulations, you had the highest score in the Tenth Anniversary Contest. (You actually slightly exceeded the edit count of every other contestant combined!) I will be contacting Wikimedia UK regarding the prize, an e-reader, soon to see how they want to handle that. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 00:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

hopefully, WMUK will not be adverse to my free beer counter proposal prize. failed to recruit any WMDC, will talk it up at holiday party. <shrug> hopefully, can be made an annual contest, like wikicup. Slowking4 (talk) 00:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Congratulations! Yann (talk) 05:54, 14 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi Slowking. Adam has been in touch and if you drop me an email on richard.nevell wikimedia.org.uk we can start getting the prize sorted. Richard Nevell (WMUK) (talk) 14:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Formatting for Poetical Works of Matthew Arnold

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Hi, Slowking4! Just a heads-up that there are formatting guidelines for this text on the Index Talk page. I have not been using the poem tag, but instead use breaks. Sectioning is also used between poems (also illustrated on the Index Talk page). Thanks for helping! Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:48, 12 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

ref name and follow

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I saw that you skipped some of the pages with split references. The page with instruction is at Help:Footnotes and endnotes. In short <ref name=pN > (traditional) on first page, <ref follow=pN > on subsequent page(s). The name is to be the same, and not start with a number, my suggestion is p{{{pagenum}}} of the name . — billinghurst sDrewth 03:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

PotM guidelines

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Hello! Just a heads up that we are not using the poem tag for the Proofread of the Month, but instead use end-of-line breaks. You can see an example of the formatting styling here. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Proofreading

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Really? So what does "FOBM" mean? And why is there a zero in C0RN? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

hey, i’m just happy to spell Otjombindè right. late at night, when the eyestrain is on, no amount of zoom will help on the ocr spell correct. maybe lighting a fire would work. i can leave them all red if you prefer. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 21:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
I think the problem is more than, like a lot of folks I've seen here, we get sloppy about not checking the page headers, image captions, and similar things. I've seen this a lot from people here. They check the body text, but not the other text. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)Reply
the ocr makes more errors for small caps, fewer errors for normal body text. so correction rate may be same, but more errors to miss in headers & captions. 2 on one page would indicate i was getting sloppy. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 13:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Men of Mark vol.2

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https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Men_of_Mark_in_America_vol_2.djvu Slowking4, you did such an excellent work on volume 1 would you please consider coming back and work on volume 2 with me? I intend to validate all I can of volume 1 and 2. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

ok, better than slogging thru the POTM. it will be next week before i have time. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 14:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)Reply
—Maury i did a rough TOC at Men of Mark in America/Volume 2, but it needs some work. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 21:45, 28 July 2014 (UTC)Reply

proofreading and validating

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Slowking4 instead of just proofreading and leaving me validating your work how about doing some validations on my proofreads? Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 23:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

Parser decided to be 'difficult' about whitespace. :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:29, 28 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

And fixed. BTW I made the /s and /e versions for a reason. Makes it VERy much easier to do the "examples" entries as embedded ones:) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
thanks very much, works well. the paragraph indent for (1) is clever. i would suggest documenting for a general case of tabbed sidenotes, since our gov’ment docs use them a lot. for example: United States Statutes at Large if we had a "how to" manual, we could recruit some non-coders to transcribe. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 18:55, 29 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your help with the botanist's guide

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Thanks for your help with the Botanist's guide. It's great to have it completed and all in green! Feeling in an enthusiastic mood I've uploaded the next Northumbrian botany project the New Flora of Northumberland and Durham. If you have any suggestions on formatting that I could follow I'd appreciate them, particularly in the middle of the book where the plants are listed. Regards Qgroom (talk) 19:58, 21 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

not at all, sorry i got distracted by macarthur photos on commons,
will return to Index:Transactions of the Natural History Society of Northumberland, Durham, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne 1838 Vol.2.djvu, will look to you to add the species links.
if you could finish the pagelist at Index:Transactions of the Natural History Society of Northumberland, Durham, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne (1867).djvu, that would be nice. see also Help:Page numbers. check out the proofreading documentation, it has lots of wikicode tips to format the text.
http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/ says hi, likes the links to their images. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 13:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Check validation

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https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:The_Development_of_Navies_During_the_Last_Half-Century.djvu/120&action=edit —Maury (talk) 01:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

p.108 —Maury (talk) 02:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

EB1911 markup

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I see you have joined me in including and proofreading EB1911 in Page space. Thanks for joining this effort! A few notes, some of which are in Wikisource talk:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica:

  • There's a conventional format, using x-larger and em-dash, for the page headings. I've encapsulated them in {{EB1911 Page Heading}}.
  • Also by convention, {{EB1911 Fine Print}} for the small-type paragraphs, and {{EB1911 Footer Initials}} for the contributors. Actually, you can scan Category:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica templates for other useful shortcuts (ETA: although some editors disapprove of the per-contributor shortcuts).
  • I've been taking care to use en-dash on things like date ranges (it's a Wikipedia guideline anyway), curly apostrophes, and hairspace em-dash using {{}} (that's an em-dash template, but easy to insert using the toolbar).
  • And, of course, fidelity to the original, without trying to modernize the English.

Feel free to ask questions or express opinions on that talk page. PBS and I, at lest, watch the page. And happy holidays! DavidBrooks (talk) 17:24, 25 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

yes, should have sections added in red by end of next year. volume 1 and 4 need copying over from article space to page space, with transclusion. the adding of sections as in volume 1 would be helpful on the other volumes as well.
more concerned about the references and greek & latin character-sets; and adding references to english from WS. nice refuge from the GGTF nonsense. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 18:57, 25 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
Sounds good. I'd be wary of calling article copies proofread, because there are instances of corrupt text (modernized spellings and rephrasing). For Greek, I use the toolbar with a rudimentary knowledge of the alphabet and pre-monotonic accents (and {{Polytonic}} for the right font). For Latin, I use the Windows 8 onscreen keyboard and press-and-hold for the extended character palettes. This can also give you curly apos and quotes, and em-dash and en-dash. We aren't bothering with links to WP these days, but there's a standard way of handling "See FOO" and "Foo (q.v.)" using {{EB1911 Article Link}}, with nosc=yes in the second case. DavidBrooks (talk) 19:58, 25 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
oh sorry, by enWP cleanup, i mean going there and fixing the 100k links to http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/ and ilk. some of which are dead links. major reference effort mainly done by user:PBS. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 20:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
I think the first thing that needs to be done when "See FOO" is found is to change it to "See Foo" which is always what is meant in my experience. {{EB1911 Article Link}} with "Foo" as an argument will do this. I see you are proofreading a lot of articles, and I thank you for this. I don't see the point in linking them into Wikipedia articles until they are proofread. Better to link to some external website. Library Guy (talk) 20:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template

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Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Proofreading doesn't look complete for Page:EB1911 - Volume 04.djvu/22

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This page is marked as proofread. Certainly the material on Otto Bismarck ("Bismarck, Otto Eduard Leopold von," in Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed., 1911)) has been proofread, but the material on Bismarck, ND ("Bismarck, North Dakota," in Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed., 1911)) looks little touched from the OCR - there are spelling errors and all kinds of periods missing, and the for Bismuth ("Bismuth," in Encyclopædia Britannica (11th ed., 1911)) the formulas haven't been rendered at all the way one would expect. I think marking a page as proofread should mean the whole page has been proofread, not just portions. Otherwise article like Bismuth are going to display as if they are proofread when they are not. I admit this is inconvenient, and that is the reason I didn't transclude the Otto Bismarck article: I didn't want to proofread the other material on this page. Please don't mark a page as proofread until the proofreading is complete for the whole page. The time for that will be when all the articles on the page have been proofread. In the meantime, the old non-transclusion approach can be used for portions of the material that have been proofread. Library Guy (talk) 20:33, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

quite right, that’s definitely a red. i’ve since been adding sections to match and split, as red only, but i may have rounded up, in a fit of absent mindedness, in some cases. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 20:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

So my fix will be to take Otto Bismarck and Bismarck ND out of transclusion and mark the page as not proofread. There is another problem here, which is that, for this DJVU rendering, a lot of the periods don't show up on the abbreviations. I am used to this, and put them in where they belong. The period placement can be verified at https://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabri04chisrich#page/8/mode/2up where all the periods show up. The British seem to omit periods in places where a U.S. resident like myself would put them in. But perhaps this takes getting used to. For Bismarck ND this wasn't an issue. So the scan at archive.org is the final arbiter I think. The DJVU material seems be lacking in detail. Library Guy (talk) 20:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

i wouldn’t un-transclude, but rather improve the transcription to proofread (yellow) status. transclusion is more important than the status of the transcription & shouldn’t take long. woundn’t over think punctuation. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 21:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

I guess that's a matter of opinion. I have other things I want to get to. Handling a chemistry article correctly is not a negligible piece of work, but feel free to go at it if you are so inclined and know what to do. I think the most important thing is to correctly represent what text has been proofread and what not proofread. It's just a matter of patience really. I don't think I am overthinking the punctuation. It really looked strange in the Bismarck ND article, and I found it distracting before I fixed it, and it clued me into the fact that there might be other problems, like the spelling/capitalization error. That is pretty minor proofreading, but the DJVU scan can make it difficult with its omissions. Library Guy (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Actually Gutenberg has already handled this page, but text suitable for Wikisource is not automatically provided. I am currently using Gutenberg text for Japan, but anticipate a long haul, what with the tables and illustrations. Even plain text takes some time, but that would go faster if I were more automated. Library Guy (talk) 23:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Page:EB1911 - Volume 28.djvu/349

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Thanks for the email, I will be acting on it at some point. Thanks for the thanks. However I have altered you edit to Page:EB1911 - Volume 28.djvu/349 ‎because I think it better to keep the original lines as it make diffs easy to see (with the exception of fixing a hyphenated words) against the original OCR, and for that matter the actual hard copy -- it makes finding and fixing errors easier. As the text appears correctly concatenated when view in an html page it make no difference for the reader, but is I think a great advantage for the editor. -- PBS (talk) 18:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

no problem, i’m mainly cruising by trying to get a red version down, before the ocr rot sets in, like volume 1 and 25-27. i’m used to deleting carriage returns, flowing paragraphs so it looks better on page (phantom line break); italics are easier. tend to do it before validation though.
sorry to take down your black page break numbers for the blue page transclusions. it seems to me easier to build out the links.
and i’m accustomed to admins with control issues. i’ll eventually fix those reference removals. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 22:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)Reply
The black page numbers are only an interim step before page transclusions, its just that I think it better to spend time filling in the gaps with page transclusions of new articles first rather than converting already formatted pages to transclusions, particularly when an editor has left hidden page numbers in the text -- which is something the prolific Bob Burkhardt aka Library Guy tended to do before more recently moving on to creating articles with transclusions. Not only is it convenient for the reader, having the page number on these previously formatted pages makes in a little quicker to find the right page when converting the page to transclusions. I have just posted a comment on this to Wikisource talk:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica#Intermediate step before transclusion. -- PBS (talk) 13:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Slowking4, please look at this page and fix whatever I may have messed up. I formatted the page and marked it validated before saving but it does not look correct. Kind regards, —Maury (talk) 00:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

User:William Maury Morris II seems to be ok now. there is an intermittant problem with the ## xx ## section code hack. sometimes need to use <section begin="xx"> some griping on scriptorium about it in december [5]. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 00:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

section tag "sl" should be "s1"

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Hi, firstly thanks for the huge effort in creating a large number of pages in EB1911. I wanted to say I found a few articles you converted to transcluded versions where the section tag for “tosection” has a typo, "sl" should be "s1". It means some articles had text from following articles displayed, I've fixed up these ones: Algol, Alhambra, The, Ali Pasha, Alice Maud Mary, Alimentary Canal, Alismaceae, Alizarin, but tthere may be more. Just a copy and paste error really, but I though I'd let you know. Also, the Template:TextQuality shouldn't be added to transcluded pages, I've removed that from a few of the above pages where I found it. Keep up the good work in creating pages! — DivermanAU (talk) 03:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

thanks, for all the verification. yep, sorry about the bad cut and paste. i’ve been pasting those over randomly, but will double back thru to incorporate all the articles not transcluded. we will need to have a fix to vol 26 & 27 for a complete work. Slowking4 04:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Variations of an Associated Press story

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There are variations of an Associated Press story, they get updated during the day with additional details or the publishing paper removes sentences to make it fit the space on a published page. 1) Do you think the versions should be grouped on a single page and each version have the publication source noted. 2) Just store the longest version on a page and maybe have the alternates stored as hidden text. 3) Give each version their own page. Which one sounds the best? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:14, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

wow, speaking of the rough draft of history. they have been transcribing unpublished manuscripts over at smithsonian, but there is a canonical text there (even if there are strikethroughs). we have different versions of EB, but they were printed. i’m agnostic: maybe longest version, and printed version? if we had galleys of a novel would we transcribe it? seems like a pseudo-problem. i.e. hard to get AP wire copy that is PD to transcribe. even if [6] Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 11:43, 15 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

do you think that the stories authored by a news-agency should be named for the news agency or one of the newspapers the story ran in? I think it should be categorized by the author. See Washington Post/1937/Aviator Says New York Attorney Is Leftist Agent as opposed to Associated Press/1937/Aviator Says New York Attorney Is Leftist Agent. The article can run in a hundred different papers, and we really should be sorting by the author not the publisher for news agencies. Obscure papers may have one or two entries, but the agency can have hundreds. What do you think? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

with categories you could do both. you could do author page + article page. i tend to lean to Associated Press/1937/Aviator Says New York Attorney Is Leftist Agent since the papers credit the AP, implying the printing is a derivative work. you could also add a category or portal for each newspaper. and you might want to creat a wikiproject AP. Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 14:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
Would it be Portal:Associated Press or Author:Associated Press, does anyone have a preference? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:03, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

Annotating text

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Your comment on the Harpers article would fit better in my section on emendations and annotations, can we move it there? How did you write it before I even asked the question, that is spooky. I asked the question, then was reading and scrolled up and there was a comment to a question I had not posed yet. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 15:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

I hope you do not mind, I moved the text to the relevant area, move it back if I was impertinent. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:02, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Reply
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Do we add external links to portals? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

we don’t normally have an external links section. normally the links are in the title header; and the portals is a list of links to wikisource articles. for example Portal:Biography. there is also a review on portal talk.
external resources tend to link to library bibliographys for example Portal:Sciences of History Slowking4Farmbrough's revenge 02:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)Reply

I am working on User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Wikisource:FAQ to answer the question I had when I started contributing. If you can think of others, please add them, and we can answer them together.

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Hi Slowking4 — keep up the great work you’re doing on the EB1911 project. I just though I'd mention (or remind you in case you forgot) that the EB1911 footer initials templates can be used to simplify adding authors - the template also correctly adds the initials to the end of last article line rather than a line below if just using the {{right}} template. e.g. instead of

{{right|([[Author:Christian Pfister|C. P{{sc|f}}.]])}} you can use
{{EB1911 footer initials|Christian Pfister|C. Pf.}}

The small caps for the initials are taken care of by the template, which also uses a style="float:right;" so the initials align on the last article line.

To see the difference see:
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:EB1911_-_Volume_05.djvu/296&oldid=5772667 and
https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:EB1911_-_Volume_05.djvu/296&direction=next&oldid=5772667

There’s also a Template:EB1911 footer double initials for two contributors to an article. — DivermanAU (talk) 04:19, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

you might want to fix your template for only one set of parentheses, and add documentation. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 01:42, 27 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Index:Wanda, by Ouida.djvu

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You appreciate these and other works are multi volume? The DJVU's uploaed appear to be only part of a set.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

thank for fixing those, i will circle back and get the other volumes, tweak the index; create work page, promise. the incomplete metadata is at internet archive. slowking4 15:19, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

hi

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i'm new any tips? --Fdena (talk) 02:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

How does the entry look that i submitted? --Fdena (talk) 02:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Mentorship would be great! also google books is blocked on my computer will that be a problem? --Fdena (talk) 02:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

vols 2 & 3

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I see that you have uploaded the file and then created Index:Idalia, by 'Ouida'.djvu. It is one of 3, did you manage to get/find the rest of the work? — billinghurst sDrewth 08:24, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

oh hi, user:billinghurst, i see you notice the one i missed. the metadata at IA is worse than i suspected. i have been lollygagging with your colleague C. Matthews, but will resume when i get stateside. cheers. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 14:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Wasn't sure what was happening. I was on my usual grab a few things from Special:LonelyPages and tie them in maintenance run. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
we really need to figure out a way to mitigate the metadata mess at IA. an unwary uploader could do lots of one volumes without noticing, since the metadata is prefunctary. we need to make it easier to get the completest, earliest edition. could it be a property at wikidata? Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 14:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
There is an edition field, however, I am not sure how you pick up that an edition has multiple volumes for an edition. @Jura1: can you assist with that matter? (hoping that listening). — billinghurst sDrewth 09:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
the problem is less with the tool, but that the IA metadata is bad, hard to grab what they did not put online. maybe we need some IA curation tools. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 03:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
ok done, i see there is a one volume earlier edition, but the ocr is worse, chapter layout appears the same. thanks oxford for the nice scan even if the metadata stinks (language = spanish, lol) slowking4 20:24, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Query

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I've asked, but gotten no reply as to the community feelings about that. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Indulgence

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I shall let you get away with this unopposed this one time. However I choose not to believe you are so naïve in general. If in fact you are there then is simply no hope for you· and accordingly I wash my hands… Only time will prove who is right. AuFCL (talk) 02:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

[7] Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 03:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
A good point; neatly made. I just hope you don't consider I am in any way convinced? AuFCL (talk) 03:43, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
tl;dr: hope over experience; the WMF are trying, we need to encourage better behavior, even as we plan for the bad; the recent conference is a hopeful sign; i save my cynicism for the arbcom election. but yeah, hard to be enthusiastic for the wishing for more blocking tools, and blocked cookies. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 03:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Aha! There we find ourselves in total concord at least. I, personally, am totally and irrevocably pessimistic but at the very same time hope I am wrong. We shall see together. AuFCL (talk) 03:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
i’ve given up trying to convince; rather, i work with the willing, and try not to fight with the unwilling. no one changes their mind around here, it’s just there are so many gatekeepers who would rather fight to prevent good edits. management by drama. one nice thing about WMF neglect, you can get a lot of work done. and the community critique of WMF finance is hilarious. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 04:00, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
I am sort of taking a chance here: Ross? (delete if true; or indeed even if not.) I think I may have had dealings with you under a different alias (both of us; in a different forum.) AuFCL (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
 
sorry different sock, lol Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 04:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Phew, at least you weren't the electrocuted one. AuFCL (talk) 04:20, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
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Thanks, but should really be Chapter based..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

right, i will go back and change. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 20:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
ok done, although don’t know how to handle the revised chapters at end that are not in TOC. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 03:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, The index might need to be split as it's hit a transclusion limit seemingly. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
Please re-check underlying pages, I'm finding a lot of layout errors I can't pin the cause of down. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:08, 12 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

It would be appreciated if you could enourage others to help get this transcribed as well :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:59, 10 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

hmm, well the nested templates might be a little off-putting, maybe we should do it. Slowking4Richard Arthur Norton's revenge 02:10, 11 December 2015 (UTC)Reply
It doesn't use nested templates as far as I was laying it up. It use one level of {{numbered/s}}{{numbered/e}} with {{numbered div}} 's inbetween, the indentation is set by params at the end of each {{numbered div}}. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:36, 12 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Morphing your sig to something templateable

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Are you up to having your sig to be structured on template rather than something of the existing length? It does get a little long in some forums and if you would consider a simplification, then I am happy to build the template for you. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:01, 15 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

well, the blackletter template does not work very well; we need a blackletter font, although german wikisource is transcribing blackletter into latin fonts. also the preferences, saves, but purges saved sig on opening. Slowking4₮₳₤₭ 16:23, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

PotM

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Please refer to the talk page associated with January's PotM for information about formatting poetry and quotations in the work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:45, 2 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Glasse transcription

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Thank you very much for lending a hand with The Art of Cookery. I noticed that you seem to have been using our own OCR tools, so I thought I just point you to User:Peter Isotalo/Glasse. There's already a transcription of the whole text.

Peter Isotalo (talk) 20:25, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

thanks, i’m also using this scan [8] somewhat better than OCR but less than your text. Slowking4RAN's revenge 22:37, 7 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
Ah. Surprisingly bad OCR for a text in Antiqua, I must say. Even Fraktur tools on de.wikisource produce better results than that.
Well, feel free to edit out text from User:Peter Isotalo/Glasse once you've transferred it to the page structure.
Peter Isotalo (talk) 13:48, 8 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
the before 1870 scans are messy, and ocr’s bad. and our "open" ocr software not much improved. if you have a better solution, let’s work it. we could get the scan from internet archive, the ocr from elsewhere, and cut and paste as we go.
there are a few mistakes in yours (reversed characters, spaces, repeated titles) i think i got them. Slowking4RAN's revenge 14:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
you are missing 2 pages in the scan 330; 331. i will take a break and review recovery of fixing scans. Slowking4RAN's revenge 14:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

NIE text quality

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Please retain {{TextQuality}} on transclusions for proofread articles where the underlying page is not completely proofread. An example where I have restored tq: "Anquetil, Louis Pierre," in The New International Encyclopædia, New York: Dodd, Mead and Co. (1905) Library Guy (talk) 20:17, 26 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

oh really. i thought that was deprecated. and wouldn’t you say that is now 100% now that we all looked at it. how is this different from all the transcluded articles with no percentage? when the transcluded page is proofread then the color will turn green. Slowking4₮₳₤₭ 22:58, 26 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I don't see any other way to correctly indicate the state of the text when parts of a page are in different stages of preparedness. I realize eventually it will show green, but that could be a long time. I have updated the documentation accordingly. I thought this point had been made long ago. Library Guy (talk) 16:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
it does not add much value to me, beyond the color code. and may periodically be disfavored by filters. see also Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2015-03#Cannot_put_hatnotes_etc_above_header but if it works for you, it’s all good. Slowking4₮₳₤₭ 00:26, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I think its good for people coming from outside to be able to tell quickly what they are dealing with. I spend most of my time proofing text and making it presentable, and the unproofread stuff doesn't seem all that readable to me. It is frustrating to proofread text and see it presented as unproofread as would happen without TQ insert. Also to see formerly well organized text like The New International Encyclopædia/Africa now transcluded without the formerly careful placement of figures I don't find desirable. It is possible to transclude things without the jumble. See The New International Encyclopædia/United States. It takes some time, but perhaps its better to leave the transclusion until someone wants to take the time. Library Guy (talk) 17:14, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
i find new people grasp red light - green light, although maintenance categories by template work also. i add red pages with article sections on first pass, so i can add articles copied on wikipedia w:Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the New International Encyclopedia and then infill proofread. only 1361 to reference, as opposed to the 5900 for EB1911; but WS push to WP works also. Slowking4T A L K 16:28, 2 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Many EB1911 pages converted to transclusion not displaying

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Hi, I noticed many 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica pages converted by you into transclusions weren't displaying article text. They would just display the "pages" line e.g. Buonafede, Appiano - which I haven't fixed shows:
<pages index="EB1911 - Volume 04.djvu" from="829" to="829" fromsection="s3" tosection="s3">

The line needs a slash / before the final >

I've fixed some of these e.g. Buccina, Buccari, Buccaneers, Bucaramanga, Bullock, William, ... Bunsen, Christian Charles Josias. Did you use a bot to convert these pages? Are you able to fix others you converted using a bot? Thanks. DivermanAU (talk) 12:56, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

hmm, that is distressing. i will review. happily with VE it won’t happen again. no i don’t use bots. Slowking4₮₳₤₭ 13:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
I’ve fixed several more, from Buoy ‎to Burgas; some articles display OK with the the missing "/" (e.g. Burgdorf) and others don't. Not sure why that is. e.g. Burgee (not fixed by me) doesn't display properly; I used Chrome, Edge and IE11, it didn't display properly in any of them. DivermanAU (talk) 20:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
ok it appears i cut & pasted wrong pages code that day. i will review that volume. Slowking4₮₳₤₭ 23:17, 28 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
half thru, all the transclusions missing "/" ; it breaks only about 1/4 the time. will then review transclusions only 7000 to go. apparently not breaking when /pages is appended. hope it does not break <br>. Slowking4 15:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Why are you creating all these pages of raw OCR gibberish at Index:Catalog o‌f Copyright Entries 1977 Books and Pamphlets Jan-June.djvu? -- Outlier59 (talk) 00:32, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

because the Library of Congress Copyright Office will not digitize their records. project Gutenberg has done the renewals only. if we are going to research orphan works between 1923 and 1977 then we will need all this gibberish proofread. hathi trust librarians are currently researching orphan works, and we need to give them the tools. 1 ½ volumes down; 673 to go. [9] better than poetry. Slowking4T A L K 02:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Is there enough useful text in the raw OCR for hathi trust to search that? The reason I'm asking is that it's an enormous volume of proofreading, likely to take years to complete here -- unless we have many more volunteers working on it. Maybe you could start with proofreading a couple of volumes, see how it goes. Are there some volumes more important to them than others? Outlier59 (talk) 22:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
hathi trust, or IA only have the pdf’s; i.e. you can’t search it for names via browser. gutenberg did the renewals 10 years ago. the IA text layer is ok, but it gets corrupted going to dejavu. the large file size creates problems. of the 1000 pages per volume about 5 or 10 need a complete redo. if we could automate a bot to create pages and grab the text layer, that would be a big leg up. i kinda gave up waiting. time to get some work done, and maybe the librarians will pitch in. a librarian from Penn requested some obscure music volumes, need them all (at least by year) to search and prove a negative. Slowking4T A L K 23:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
If the IA text layers are reliable, maybe they could be copied directly to hathi trust or Commons -- or at least the Name Index section of the text layer for each volume. These volumes are more database than prose. Their main use is for searching for names or numbers. Does IA know the OCR accuracy for the text layers of these volumes? If those text layers are 99.9% accurate, the original printed volumes probably contain more human errors than the computer OCR generates.
I think the best way for Wikisource to help hathi trust is to proofread a sample of pages from IA text layers for these volumes -- if IA doesn't already know the accuracy of the text layers. But I bet IA knows the accuracy. Maybe you could ask hathi trust to look into using text layers rather than pdf for copyright searches? If the text layer is more accurate, I'm surprised it's not being used. Outlier59 (talk) 14:34, 10 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
the problem being, that the loc database has a different standing from Hathi’s - they would need also a link to the pdf hardcopy. and outside researchers would not know how to search on their own. here is their manual - http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/crmstoolkit/images/14616082.0001.001.pdf. Slowking4T A L K 18:05, 13 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I don't understand what you said. Can you re-phrase? Outlier59 (talk) 01:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
hathi trust is working their text layer, but a web searchable version is better. and they are working books only - not music or pamphlets. and they released their manual of how they do copyright searches, it is very complex. and the LOC web searchable database after 1978, is qualitatively different from the offline search of hathi. Slowking4T A L K 01:28, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Well, I guess this is something I just don't understand. The "not proofed" pages look to me to be too error-filled to be useful in an online search. Outlier59 (talk) 12:27, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
for example look at the random search "Horton T. Kelsey" [10] - first result is the catalog. if the text layer can get carried over from the pdf, they should work this way. Slowking4RAN's revenge 12:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for trying so hard to explain this to me. I think it's just something beyond me. I'm sorry. Outlier59 (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Inspire campaign

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Hello Slowking4! My name's Joe Sutherland and I'm helping to run the Inspire Campaign on addressing harassment currently running on Meta-Wiki. I'm interested to know a little more about your motivation for proposing your Idea about training reviewers to become ambassadors. What was the inspiration for this proposal? And do you think the feedback you have received so far has been useful to you in improving it? Thanks! JSutherland (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Proofing EB1911

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Hi Slowking4, nice work on Volume 28 of EB1911. Have you considered using the mostly-proofed Theodora version as a basis for proofing? e.g. on "Page:EB1911 - Volume 28.djvu/665" I used the webpage "view-source:http://www.theodora.com/encyclopedia/w/sir_david_wilkie.html" and pasted that in. It found two fixes in the first 1½ lines alone: "WaIter" had capital i (I) not lower-case L (l) and "£gures" should have been "figures". Exapmples of other fixes found with Theodora text were: "WiUcie's" → "Wilkie’s" (I added the curly apostrophe myself) and "facihtating" → "facilitating". Also most scans (including the gutenberg.org version) don't pickup the ndashes (–) for year ranges and have a hyphen instead. I made such a fix on the page above.

Would you consider leaving pages in "Not proofread" status until it's had proofed text from another source or a solid proof? Makes it easier to know which pages to target then.

I also use the "clean up" script to remove line-breaks, (tick the box for "Add a 'regex editor' sidebar link which lets you write, apply, and save regex patterns" in "Preferences, Gadgets").

Thanks again and keep up the good work. DivermanAU (talk) 06:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

hmm, well should not have proofread that. yes, i have on occasion copied over better text layers from other sites like IA or gutenberg, and thanks for that work at EB1911. but now, i’m mainly cruising through and linking from wikipedia, and doing minimum proof to make readable. i will mainly leave them "unproofread" - only six thousand articles to go. the links will get us views and improve references there, some of which are rotting. i may swing by again to proofread later. Slowking4RAN's revenge 15:35, 20 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
I've also been working on Wikipedia articles with links to Wikisource/EB1911 with no citation over the past 18 months. I've created a table of numbers in the category if you're interested; see w:Category_talk:Wikipedia_articles_incorporating_a_citation_from_the_1911_Encyclopaedia_Britannica_with_no_article_parameter#Number_of_articles_over_time. DivermanAU (talk) 10:07, 22 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
yep, having made some steady progress, maybe a sustained effort can knock it out. unless i get distracted by another europeana art challenge. Slowking4RAN's revenge 12:32, 22 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Discussion about OCR workflow

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Hi @Slowking4:, I was looking into the OCR workflow on Wikisource for a project for using it on Indic wikis. I saw that there seems to be proofread text on the page when the page is created. Could you tell me where this proofread text comes from? Is it from Phetools? I'm also interested in hearing of any ideas you have for improving this workflow. Thanks for your help! -- NiharikaKohli (talk) 23:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

there is an OCR open software, which is not as good as the pdf version, or google workarounds. you might want to ask around at scriptorium, or at armenian wikisource who have OCR problems. Slowking4RAN's revenge 07:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

Proofreading 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Templars

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@Slowking4: Thanks for the message. A happy new year to you. If I can distract you for more than a moment from "volume 16 / letter L", There is a page that you created, that is full of OCR errors (mostly due to the original format of the page). It is 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Templars. It could do with some TLC involving a remake with Translucences.

@DivermanAU and EncycloPetey, perhaps the four of us could work on two/thee pages each? -- PBS (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

User:PBS ok, i have inserted the footnotes, i leave the cleanup to you. (that was a blast from the past - the broken volume, which i cut and paste from IA, just when they fixed the index). cheers Slowking4RAN's revenge 15:25, 1 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
I've done some proofing on most of the Templars pages, looks more usable now. Thanks to PBS and Slowking4 for also proofing. DivermanAU (talk) 22:54, 1 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
yes - you picked a good critique of my practice of linking unproofed ocr’s. it does not work for articles with references, images, greek or latin. but for 80% it is readable. Slowking4RAN's revenge 00:35, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thirty Years' War

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Please could you look at 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Thirty Years' War I have recently transluded it, but for some reason the first page of the article is not showing up in my display. Please could you have a look at it and see if you can fix the problem. -- PBS (talk) 00:03, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

User:PBS when a page does not show, that means the section tag does not match. i tend to cut past the exact code, from the page - and it worked here - you had the "&#39" in there, and for some reason it did not take. i have a problem with ’ and ' (flavors of apostrophe) also. hence my tendency to use "s1", since it is easier to match. Slowking4RAN's revenge 00:29, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the help and the advice. -- PBS (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Page nomenclature

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Not sure why we would want a page named "The Poems of Emma Lazarus volume 2", surely it would be "The Poems of Emma Lazarus" or if required to push to subsidiary level "The Poems of Emma Lazarus/Volume 2". Either way, creating empty pages is something that we have been discouraging. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

i’m lazy and it a 2 volume work. was working on index. slowed down by volume 1 which has a corrupt page - so i’m stumped. the page is good at google books but not IA ? Slowking4RAN's revenge 01:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
When I had a corrupt file at IA, I have usually just asked them to rederive it, though I haven't had to do that since they have stopped doing djvu files by default. If it has a corrupt page only, I would just separately upload the missing page from an alternate source, and transcribe it separately. Sure it means that the djvu at Commons is incomplete, but in the end I am more concerned with having a full work here. [This hang up about putting text back into djvus is a pipe dream that will never happen, we cannot get resources for important things, let along unimportant things] — billinghurst sDrewth 10:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
ok thanks i will do that. Slowking4RAN's revenge 15:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

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The Maine Woods

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We are saving this selection as PotM for July. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:55, 12 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

br tags

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Hi Slowking4. I'm new here so please let me know if there's been discussion about this elsewhere, but as far as I understand <br> is incorrect HTML and should not be used in favour of <br/>. I think the software does some behind the scenes work to replace br with br/ but that function will be deprecated soon. I've been replacing the former with the latter at The Book of Scottish Song, so would appreciate if you could use br/ in the future (unless, as I said, there's some discussion about this I'm not aware of!). Sam Walton (talk) 22:20, 7 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

well in the w:Wikipedia:Line-break handling they treat them as equivalent even if they will break mw:Parsing/Replacing Tidy. it is the same effort so ok. a bot should be run to replace. Slowking4SvG's revenge 23:45, 7 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
Ah, that's the kind of documentation I knew existed somewhere! Cheers, Sam Walton (talk) 23:54, 7 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
Though maybe it's not an issue... Still, seems like if it's little effort to do one or the other that <br/> is preferable. Sam Walton (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
well to quibble it is <br /> all others are hacked by the parser. i had a lot of <pages> break, so less inclined to stay lazy. although happy to agree with tim starling to prefer the shortest character version. love the wikipedia coder love fest.Slowking4SvG's revenge 01:22, 8 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

PotM

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Hello, Slowking4! I looked over six of the pages you proofread for the PotM, and found several consistent errors. You might want to have another look-see of the pages you proofread and make corrections. There are several OCR errors remaining, spaces surrounding emdashes &c. need to be removed, some gaps need to be added to one stanza... I fixed some errors that I found on page 253 (I was not ultra thorough), but did not make any adjustments to pages 254-258 -- if you want to look them over again. If you can't get to it, I can look them over tomorrow. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:31, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

very well i will stop validating. Slowking4SvG's revenge 02:35, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
It's no problem... It is difficult to spot some of the OCR errors, among other things, in this work. I can only take so many pages per day! Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
Morning! I was a bit more thorough looking at proofread p. 255. After I made changes to formatting for consistency, I went back to fix ocr errors, etc. You can take a look at the Revision history to see what sort of errors, etc. you should look for when proofreading. I chose not to validate, for I am not confident that I have made no oversights myself. P.S. Pages 256-260 will need a look-over for errors, if you are willing. I only made adjustments for formatting consistency on those pages, but did not check for errors. Londonjackbooks (talk) 10:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
I was going to ask about 271 too - it seems like you didn't look at the page at all before marking as proofread. Sam Walton (talk) 12:30, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Let me know if you plan on revisiting pp. 256-260. If not, I can re-proofread them. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

either way. i can see this has many more problems than i am accustomed to. i can spend all my time adding line breaks and titles. Slowking4SvG's revenge 01:17, 17 April 2017 (UTC)Reply
No problem. Find where you're most comfortable contributing! Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:23, 17 April 2017 (UTC)Reply

Index:Representative Women of New England.djvu needed?

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Hi. I see that we now have Index:Sketches of representative women of New England.djvu which seems to replicate the other work. Are we clear to delete the first identified work, or is that needed for some purpose. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

yes, "missing page 358 and 359" it took me a while to find that and look for a better scan. a tool to check internet archives pages, and a tool to check for works with similar title already uploaded, would be nice. Slowking4SvG's revenge 11:54, 28 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Typo templates

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Is there a Quarry query for redlinked templates from Page:Namespace? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

There is no such requirement. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:34, 29 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
no but i can dream. if there were a query for certain template strings or text strings, then we would have a powerful work flow. watchlist and contributions do not work for numbers over 1000. Slowking4SvG's revenge 02:24, 29 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
I am not sure what you mean by redlinked templates unless you mean Special:WantedTemplates. As for Typo templates, would the Typoscan.js script do?Ineuw talk 04:46, 29 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your enthusiasm, but a small number of scan errors and formatting are apparently being overlooked. Please consider reviewing the changes I've made following behind your good faith efforts. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:56, 6 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

just as well, have a presentation to revise. Slowking4SvG's revenge 10:35, 6 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Source of contributors for Woman of the Century

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At Special:Diff/6632213 you added a list of people and a list of contributors for the work. What is the source of the contributors, as I cannot find it in the work itself.

We probably should be maintaining that list of contributors outside of the work if it is not published in the work. Probably stick it on the talk page, and utilise the list to add to author pages, and to wikidata for the contributors. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:38, 29 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

here you go https://archive.org/stream/womanofcenturyfo00willan/womanofcenturyfo00willan_djvu.txt & https://archive.org/details/womanofcenturyfo00willan do not think there are attribution of articles by contributor, but maybe you can find that. Slowking4SvG's revenge 10:45, 29 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Hmm, as a separate publication. Now do we upload it separately and reference; upload it and transclude it within the work; or just scrape it and ignore that fact that there is a scan. @Beeswaxcandle: do you have a thought to this? — billinghurst sDrewth 12:40, 29 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
and the end matter got separated from the book - as you saw i did the latter. colored by the american "lists are PD". it would have been a little harder to do from scratch, but not impossible. Slowking4SvG's revenge 12:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
you think that it is just the same work though separated? independent binding, not something with which I am familiar. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
It looks like it was published separately, maybe as a removable insert. Some of this was the prospectus that was used to raise the capital necessary to set up the plates and do the print run for the full book. I recommend uploading it and transcluding as the TOC and contributor's list. The outer pages, which contain the prospectus could be transcluded as a subpage. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
Index:Woman of the Century (prospectus).djvu as a start — billinghurst sDrewth 04:04, 30 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Open Library

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Hoi, can we talk about what we could do when we are to collaborate with the Internet Archive and its Open Library. I am aiming to get all the books with identifiers external to OL for all the authors where Wikidata has an OL identifier.. The next step would be other books with freely available content as well. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

User:GerardM well, we have Wikisource:WikiProject Open Access; i thought we were waiting on wikicite thought leaders to provide a wishlist / implementation plan, about bibliographic metadata. i would make a project internet archive as a landing page. IA has engaged with us at wikimania, but we need to think through an action plan - what would you want them to do? what can we do for them? Slowking4SvG's revenge 21:41, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Anne Bradstreet

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What's the reference about Anne Bradstreet (Twitter)? Wasn't clear... Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:47, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

sorry, yet another poet’s collected work to do Index:The_works_of_Anne_Bradstreet_in_prose_and_verse.djvu. i will add it to the list. Slowking4SvG's revenge 23:50, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Oh, I see. Finishing up Wordsworth's 2-vol. collection hopefully tonight. BTW, thanks for the recent RT's. Have a good night, Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:56, 16 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Modern poets and poetry of Spain

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The second page "388" is the same as p. 388, but block by having the "ad" turned over. The "Ad" looks like an insert that is only a partial sheet, and there allows some of the previous page to be viewed when the leaf is turned in the book. The page is, effectively, blank. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

The Life of the Fields

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Saw that you worked on much of Jefferies' The Life of the Fields. Seems to be proofread (but for missing title page image), but not yet transcluded. Mind if I do so at some point? Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:58, 3 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

fine, i am pre-occupied with Women of Distinction for a while. Slowking4SvG's revenge 16:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hola. There is something fishy about the TOC for this text. I am not familiar with the TOC formatting, but perhaps something is needed to keep it from breaking? Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Think I fixed it with a nop. Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
hola, yeah, i struggle with the TOC templates. there have some complicated table code in there, tricky across pages. Slowking4SvG's revenge 02:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Moving two new pages

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Hello, will you be able to move: A Statistical Account of Bengal/District of the 24 Parganas
to
A Statistical Account of Bengal, Volume I./District of 24 Parganás/Geography and General Aspect
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A Statistical Account of Bengal/Preface
to
A Statistical Account of Bengal, Volume I./Preface to A Statistical Account of Bengal, Volume I.
Thank you.
Samiur Rahman 2017 (talk) 17:30, 6 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

where is the index? Index:A Statistical Account of Bengal Vol 1.pdf ? i would suggest creating the match and split page and cut and paste rather than use move key here. Slowking4SvG's revenge 17:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hints from Horace

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Sorry to interrupt... Will you be proofreading Hints from Horace or merely turning pages red? Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:44, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

well i find it useful to add line breaks. the arcane footnotes there will require more resolution, might turn to that later. Slowking4SvG's revenge 14:46, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Oh. The line breaks are not formatted the same as in the rest of the text, which uses <br />. I think it would be good to keep things consistent. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:49, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
ok, but see above at the br tags section. the parser sees them the same way. Slowking4SvG's revenge 14:51, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Not that it won't render the same, I am just a stickler for keeping things uniform...
Also, as far as references go, refs & notes are combined in the rest of the text as mere refs. You can refer to previous formatting examples. I did much proofreading from these volumes. I merely got burned out. Let me know if you would like help at any point. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
yes - i salute your fine work there, it will take some study for me to replicate in the remainder. this volume is close, if i can help push it over the top for poetry month, that would be great. Slowking4SvG's revenge 14:58, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Had I to do it over again, I would have been more faithful with differentiating between refs and notes. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:04, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
you can always sweep back through with "ref group" to split them. Help:Footnotes_and_endnotes#Grouped_footnotes, and change label to roman numerals w:Help:Cite link labels + i’m confused by the block center behavior, will need to study that. Slowking4SvG's revenge 15:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I will "bookmark" the page. Let me know if I can help with block center at all. I can't necessarily speak technically, but perhaps about behavior. Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:28, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
i think it will sort out when footnotes get done and the block gets narrower. Slowking4SvG's revenge 15:32, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

This [11] Byron page was particularly fun; and a good reference for formatting the volumes, touching on nearly every issue but for {{pline}} Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

wow, you have an interesting view of fun - nested footnotes ; although need to sort roman from numerical? Slowking4SvG's revenge 23:35, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Ugh. For all the pages/volumes that would be involved, the prospect of sorting strikes me as particularly not fun. Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:26, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
let me find a simple one to experiment on - maybe the elegant outcome could change your mind? Slowking4SvG's revenge 01:30, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
ok User:Londonjackbooks here is an example [12] - need to see if can tweek label and ref follow. Slowking4SvG's revenge 01:49, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
I am here... Just with half a brain. This is stuff for my morning brain. Will "lower-roman" and "decimal" be spelled out like that in the Main as well? It is distracting from the poem/text, in my opinion. Not to be picky... Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:58, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
yeah - i need to sleep on it too. how to get the "i" and "1" - the ref follow work with it - i.e. [13]. will research the label issue. Slowking4SvG's revenge 02:07, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
delayed response, yes "lower-roman" and "decimal" is the fallback, because we do not enable the symbol footnote functionality (admin locked), because "we" want to force numerical footnotes. don’t look on scriptorium, for the drama. Slowking4SvG's revenge 21:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
I am experiencing multi-project burnout at the moment—RL as well as here at WS (tis the season!), but will leave myself a Horace reminder at my to-do list. I would like to at least complete that volume sometime early in the New Year. Happy Holidays to you! Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
quite all right, maybe i can help a little. i find going to meetups can help with burnout. i would recommend the Art + Feminism at National Museum of Women in the Arts, so watch that space [14]. cheers. Slowking4SvG's revenge 03:10, 19 December 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Hopefully I will be fully recovered by March :) but will keep an open mind about attending the edit-a-thon. While I appreciate the role WP plays, I much prefer editing Wikisource. Cheers back. Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:10, 19 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

fwiw: I compiled some notes on footnotes etc. based on direction I was given at the time when I was working on these volumes. Don't know if you can make anything of them or if they can be helpful. Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Also, I will not be at the helm much this week, but will take a look at Horace's progress in a few days (not that you have requested I do so; merely in regards to "ownership" issues I have—half kidding). Have a good Thanksgiving. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
Will try to make a concerted effort to complete this volume soon. Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
Page:The Works of Lord Byron (ed. Coleridge, Prothero) - Volume 1.djvu/452 Slowking4SvG's revenge 11:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
Mmm, yeah... I would have to object. The reflinks look bulky and distract (imo) from reading, and even if they could be simplified, you would have to apply the formatting to every other page in the volume (volumes, if you want to keep things uniform). I am not personally willing to implement the practice. Not in this case, anyway. Apologies if I undo... :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
ok, i agree, but its the only way to get the grouping as seen on the page. we could do roman numerals, but for some adversive style enforcement. Slowking4SvG's revenge 13:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
I know... I'm sorry I am not keen on it; some pages which contain footnotes within footnotes, etc. are quite complicated enough, and perhaps if the practice was presented when I started on the volumes I might have been more open (my brain was slightly more active during that time). I hope I don't come across as unappreciative, I do appreciate your time and desire to replicate the original. Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
quite all right. i would go through and group references if i could. it is amazing we can actually replicate text that close, but we need a VE dashboard that makes it easier. Slowking4SvG's revenge 13:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Finished Volume 1. Thanks for the prompt—it is rewarding to have completed it. But please don't do so again any time soon ;) Phew! Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

Help requested

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Hello Slowking4,

I’m not sure if you’re the person to ask, but I want to import a book, and as a test page I had created User:Donald Trung/Annam and its minor currency (Toda)/Section I to see how I can best convert the book into wiki-format, however I am not really familiar with templates here, and I can't really use Wikitables for imported works. Also the source book is here, based on this, should I be calling the subdivisions of the book “chapters” or “sections”, I mostly tried to emulate the style of The Art of War (Sun) but I realised that that wasn't the only book here, and Annam and its minor currency doesn't seem to name it's subdivisions as either “sections” or “chapters”. I also saw that the reason why Sun Tzü’s book has “(Sun)” is because it could be ambiguously confused with a Machiavellian work of the same name, so when I’ll (re-)publish the book I'll be dropping the “(Toda)” part, as I am not planning on actually working on the import until February I just want your feedback on it, as of now I mostly plan on using “Donald Trung/Annam and its minor currency (Toda)/Section I” as a sandbox before I'm done on Dutch Wikipedia (I still have 3 articles to finish there) and import more museum 🎨 works from Flickr to Wikimedia Commons, but I don't want to leave that sandbox in bad quality.

I’ve already searched through most style guides but information on templates seem largely omitted. Also I would prefer for you to leave feedback on my talk page (see the “討論 🤙🏻” part of my signature), as I would probably check my Wikisource talk page more than yours. 😜

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. -- DonTrung (徵國單)  (討論 🤙🏻) (方孔錢 ☯) 10:31, 20 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

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Just wanted to let you know that this template exists for author page links to the work, and I am updating these now. If we have internal linking within the work, I will template with the lkpl equivalent tomorrow. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:50, 23 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Removing a copyvio notice

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If someone adds a copyvio notice, do not remove until the discussion is over. If the consensus is against me, then it will be removed, but until then the copyvio notice needs to continue to provide a link to the deletion discussion.--Prosfilaes (talk) 05:44, 2 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

do not edit war. seek a consensus. how many edits do you have here? or are you here to delete texts you cannot delete at commons. Slowking4SvG's revenge 12:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
Umm, that is not a good approach to take, quite provocative. Nominating something is putting it before the community for discussion, nothing else. So, please leave nominations in place, and take part in any conversation. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
yeah, about as provocative as blanking a page not under deletion discussion at commons, (and no prospect of a nomination). are you going to countenance, the "holier than commons"; "blank first and ask questions about the false positive later". this is the behavior of a commons admin or english admin. consensus trumps URAA enforcement. this editor needs to be shown the door. he does not add much value. Slowking4SvG's revenge 03:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
If you have concerns about an user's or an administrator's actions, then you should address it with them on their talk page, not repeatedly revert.
Every administrator undergoes an annual confirmation process, and if you have concerns about me, or others, you can express those concerns during those respective confirmation processes. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
sorry, i would just as soon not interact with this low edit person. i find his and others exporting their toxic behavior quite sad. it is the same old "do what i tell you to do" form of "collaboration". and rest assured, it will be demotivating for my further work here. if i were to say "no confidence", would it make the slightest difference? i’ve never seen it before. Slowking4SvG's revenge 04:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
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EB1911 deemed "deprecated"?

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See my edit on the Wikipedia page w:Romesh Chandra Mitra of [23 March 2018] where I added in-line citations to EB1911. These edits were reverted because they were "... unnecessary citations from a source that we deprecate for Indian stuff." Do you know who the "we" is that decided EB1911 citations are not worthy? The citations I added were just deleted, not replaced with another source. I believe ones of the aims of Wikipedia is to include citations to statements, not delete them. Your thoughts? DivermanAU (talk) 20:56, 25 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

user:DivermanAU btw thanks for cleaning up the EB1911 backlog. (now on the NIE and Appletons) this editor is making stuff up again. this is becoming more prevalent on english: rather than curating the references and links, and collaborating, they just edit war, and will not engage on talk. and an admin is worse than this, i.e. removing references and blocking. pity. if you wanted to call him on it, you could talk to the copyright police about "close paraphrasing" Slowking4SvG's revenge 21:58, 25 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Block center & poetry

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Just a mention that when block center with breaks is used for poetry, poems that span more than one page require {{block center/s}}/e otherwise poems will not be aligned properly. I was going to do some editing of the PotM with some spare time, but noticed multiple formatting methods were being used and so held off until one method was agreed upon. I likely won't be doing much editing of the work, so I'll leave the decision to other editors. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

i was block centering by page for a red status. the formatting across pages does not work well. maybe i will return to potm when i get done with appletons. Slowking4SvG's revenge 03:09, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Reply
No need for a red status. It's practically proofread as is. Why not just proofread? My thought is that if someone new comes along, they might think block centering by page is the way to go after looking at a page.What is it that does not work well formatting across pages? Londonjackbooks (talk) 08:34, 5 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

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Hi Slowking4

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This is Artix Kreiger. Can we talk?

sure User:Artix Kreiger - logging in would help, or email me. Slowking4SvG's revenge 11:06, 21 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

Meetups

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Hello. Just to say I doubt at this point I'll be able to make any more WMDC edit-a-thons, but perhaps if we ever move back to the area. It was good to have met you. See you here at WS otherwise! :) Best, Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

we will miss you User:Londonjackbooks. please consider organizing meetups or salons with your local librarians. show them the https://webjunction.org/explore-topics/wikipedia-libraries.html - you will be a rockstar. cheers. Slowking4SvG's revenge 00:23, 12 May 2018 (UTC)Reply
Overseas move this time. A whole new ball game! :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 01:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

See PBS's talk page

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I just posted a funny EB1911 discovery on PBS's WP talk page and pinged you, but I don't know whether you are more active there. No action required, just a curiosity. DavidBrooks (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

yes, thank-you, User:PBS the notifications are a lot of noise for the signal, but i am keeping up for now. i was gonna say duplicate work is better than "Fictitious Entries" Appletons' Cyclopædia of American Biography/Fictitious Entries +1 Brits -- just call me "Roger de la Pasture" --Slowking4SvG's revenge 21:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

Cuningham, James McNabb (DNB12)

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Hi, Slowking4, I came across this category on commons and I was wondering if one of the images might be useful here. Lotje ツ (talk) 15:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

hmm, well not wikipedia article yet. which would get a wikidata image. we don't really do article subjects, more like author pages, and don't have his medical works uploaded to transcribe. Slowking4SvG's revenge 03:19, 25 June 2018 (UTC)Reply
here is a book, but not scanned [15] Slowking4SvG's revenge 15:21, 29 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

Are you lonesome tonight?

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Just found Index:The collected poems, lyrical and narrative, of A. Mary F. Robinson.djvu sitting there with amounts of transclusions awaiting it. I was going to poke it under the nose of LBJ then I saw that you created the index. Is this still something on your agenda? — billinghurst sDrewth 05:37, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

I will try and have a hack at the ToC for work. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
well, i will be less productive, as wikiconference north america looms. but it will be good to see rosie again. Slowking4SvG's revenge 12:14, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Not an issue, I will give the first part a poke, then we can see how we go. Wanted to make sure that I wasn't rocking boats. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:18, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
no problem. i tend to do the minimum table work to make it functional. feel free to edit toc’s as you will. Slowking4SvG's revenge 02:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

Please don't do this.

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Please don't format and wordwrap half of a page and leave everything else. It is not helpful for people who rely on the text to follow the original line by line. In addition, using slanted quotation marks makes others' work harder when they are not matched. The slanted quotation mark is not an accepted quotation mark in English Wikisource, and is not even listed in Wikipedia under quotation marks.— Ineuw talk 19:18, 23 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

the punctuation is how the keystroke comes out, cannot type straight quotes it "auto-corrects" to slant, except if using old editor toolbar which is now disabled. you need to provide a page and example if you want to discuss. Slowking4SvG's revenge 00:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
i see you have taken ownership of Index:The War with Mexico, Vol 1.djvu, i will leave you to it. Slowking4SvG's revenge 13:02, 25 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks to a kind soul.

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Your kind act of proofreading the page titles when you created the pages of the whole volume, leaves me humbled.— Ineuw talk 18:58, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

The Dreamer

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As you have volunteered to clean up copydumps, here is The Dreamer: A Romantic Drama In Three Acts (Mary R.P. Hatch), which also has some subsidiary pages (unlinked from the main page). --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

i see you persist in targeting recent uploads. another method would be to target oldest or biggest. i should take a road trip to cambridge maryland to buy this editor a coffee. they could use some help.
here it is in worldcat [16] but i do not see any scans at IA.Slowking4SvG's revenge 22:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
This IP is our regular copydumper for drama. Never formats or improves, just dumps unformatted text and never interacts with the community. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:38, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
if you want me to put this ip at the front of the queue, ok. still working on Index:Thirty-One Years on the Plains and in the Mountains.djvu -- Slowking4SvG's revenge 11:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Wikisource:News (en): April 2019 edition

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Page:American Seashells (1954).djvu/1 and others

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The work these where nominally transcribed was deleted on Commons (see c:Commons:Deletion requests/American seashells (1954),

IA said "no known copyright." may be PD not renewed, not here [17]; [18]; [19]; [20] -- good one for a DRV. Slowking4SvG's revenge 16:28, 14 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Invitation to test ScienceSource in beta

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Please come to http://sciencesource.wmflabs.org/ and help out. You should be able to create an account allowing me to track your edits - let me know soonest if that doesn't work out.

On the main page, the "data schema" link is for if you want to know what happens backstage. But the "Review tool" sidebar link is where the main action is. (This Wikibase site is like Wikidata in some look-and-feel ways, but much less of it is really human-readable.) If you follow a linked Q-number, you get a page about a paper, and instructions.

The results and display for a paper vary a lot. The aim of the game is to find a drug and a disease and a place in the paper where it says that the drug is a treatment for the disease. The MEDRS guideline standards should be applied. Obviously I'll review any edits you make.

Good luck! At the moment the idea is to test the mechanism. Shortly I'll do some work on how to find plausible places to look. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Wikisource:News (en): May 2019 Edition

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Manual of the New Zealand flora

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  • IA 1906 edition [21]
  • 1925 worldcat entry [22]
  • not registered 1925 [23]
  • not renewed 1953 [24] and ??
Just for your info, Index:Manual of the New Zealand Flora.djvu is on my InProgress list. Been a while since I worked on it, but I do intend to get back to it at some point. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:27, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
1906 edition. there is an inquiry about the 1925 edition. worldcat appears to confuse the two. it would be nice to have a scan to see if there was a substantial amendment. Slowking4SvG's revenge 11:26, 1 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Uploads to be transferred

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Hi. With your inability to upload to Commons, if you do upload in-scope works (djvu, pdf, or derivatives of these) here, then users can move them to Commons using the beta transfer tool. Feel welcome to have a list page of works that need moving. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:41, 24 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

english wikipedia automatically transfers them over. Slowking4SvG's revenge 14:24, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply
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… or {{WotC link}} exists for easy linking of those works from author pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)Reply

Wikisource:News (en): July 2019 Edition

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polish wikisource

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uses lua template rather than section markers for dictionaries.
for sharing best pratices, see also [25]
Subtitling the Chaos Communication Congress Slowking4Rama's revenge 10:10, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Reply

wikimania 2019 article

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Wikimania 2019 included a Wikisource track. There was an education panel on using wikisource and wiktionary, Wiktionary & Wikisource in EduWiki Initiatives: Challenges and Opportunities

Wikisource track

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We started off with a survey of annual progress Wikisource Year in Review 2019

Next we had a presentation from Polish wikisource. Using transcribed content for community building

Next we had a presentation about Bengali Wikisource. Sharing best practices among Wikisource communities

Next we had a presentation about annotations. A general annotation service

Next we had a presentation about video transcription at Chaos Communication Congress, Subtitling the Chaos Communication Congress: An Experience Report

Next we had a presentation about Armenian , Italian, and Indic Wikisource, Building Locally Relevant Knowledge with Wikisource

Finally we had a summation session, Wrap-up

Other blogs covered wikimania. Wikimania 2019 – a Wiki perspective for GLAM institutions

Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition

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for VE not being user friendly see also [26] -- Slowking4Rama's revenge 01:22, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
I probably should have given a bit more context to that story. The general complaint was that we need a new visual editor made for Wikisource in mind, and this was just one instance of a long pattern of Wikisource being ignored by the WMF. It's certainly true to a large extent, but I decided to focus more on VE-aspect of what Satdeep Gill was talking about. –MJLTalk 16:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
no, you did fine. as usual, the story is a long complicated one. we asked for VE on the wishlist for ages, and they gave it to us (along with the wikipedia menus). but the general failure to do good UX design is across all open software design. the "custom change on your CSS" is the symptom solve way rather than systemic change. small projects have always been ignored by WMF (wikisource may be better than average based on WMF emphasis on global south - Indic languages) maybe they will listen to Satdeep Gill. cheers -- Slowking4Rama's revenge 14:13, 6 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Community Insights Survey

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RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

A modern history of the Inquisition

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Hello.
I earned some foes among global sysops, see e.g. [27]. They meanwhile defend civility, cool…

Good luck with the job in Wikisource. BTW, I didn’t know that you know Latin. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 20:13, 10 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

as i said elsewhere, i adopt the standard of civility that is enforced. the fact that civility is used to shut people up when enforcement is non-existent, is a miscarriage. and ironic User:Ajraddatz is being civility police, but i guess he has mellowed from 2016. [28]. it’s fine they want meta to become phabricator, and it will get as much traffic. Slowking4Rama's revenge 22:31, 10 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Do you exist in social networks? Or somewhere outside this holding at all? Not to say I distrust many of Wikimedian stewards individually (for their personal trustworthiness), but they may be compelled to do things in interests of the mob of hypocrites and bigots. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:19, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

yes, i have refrained in using social media or involving allies. it just maddens the mob. the open letter method of negative feedback does not work, as we see with Donna Strickland (which is lesson not learned, because it implicates sacred cow AfC) its not that the stewards are compelled, but they are repelled by the emotional labor required to govern the mob. (which allows the rule by drama conduct to flourish and deter.) we need to organize a critical mass of civil people to stage a hostile takeover. Slowking4Rama's revenge 17:49, 12 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
I despise “civility” discourse at all. There is a minority for whom it actually matters and they are never able to agree with each other (e.g. you vs Ajraddatz). For the majority, indeed, “civility” means low level of criticism. Perhaps you know a bureau on Commons who makes serious edits (such as of user pages) without ever providing a summary, but this same bureau speaks in a very polite manner. I don’t value polite verbosity in user_talk or so if it is not supplemented with accountable editing. In “my” world the person could never rise above the rollback privilege. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 06:58, 13 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey

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RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey

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RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

block and span size templates

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