Index talk:Diary of a Prisoner in World War I by Josef Šrámek.pdf
Latest comment: 4 years ago by Beleg Tâl in topic Extra vertical space for readability?
I see that pages are marked problematic which contain graphic snippets of the original diary. Is this wrong? Svobodat (talk) 10:14, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Svobodat: The Wikisource copy of those pages are problematic because they do not contain the graphic snippets that appear in the original. When I have finished proofreading, I will add the graphic snippets to our copy of the diary, and they will no longer be problematic. If you wish, you can upload the original snippets to Wikimedia Commons, since they will be better quality than the ones I can generate from the PDF.—I'd encourage you to have a look at Help:Beginner's guide to adding texts and some of the other links on your talk page which can provide more explanation regarding this process.—Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry about the complication. If you think these belong to the Wikisource I will of course provide them but I would not overestimate their importance. They were meant only to enliven the printed pages. Svobodat (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Svobodat: We strive to replicate the published edition as closely as possible. If you are willing to upload the remaining images, please do so—but I am happy to extract them from the PDF file if you prefer. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry I am unable to find the original graphic snippets so I would leave it to you Svobodat (talk) 09:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Done —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry I am unable to find the original graphic snippets so I would leave it to you Svobodat (talk) 09:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Svobodat: We strive to replicate the published edition as closely as possible. If you are willing to upload the remaining images, please do so—but I am happy to extract them from the PDF file if you prefer. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry about the complication. If you think these belong to the Wikisource I will of course provide them but I would not overestimate their importance. They were meant only to enliven the printed pages. Svobodat (talk) 18:55, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Extra vertical space for readability? edit
This is a wonderful addition to Wikisource, I'm glad to know of it and hope I can find time to read (and validate) the whole thing. A suggestion: I think the entries would benefit from having a bit of extra space above the date. I think it would be more readable, and more true to the original document. Any objection to this change, before I forge ahead with it? To illustrate, I made the change on this page. -Pete (talk) 20:19, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Neutral, though I will point out that the space before the date is the same as the space between other paragraphs (example) whereas the space after the date is really just a line break in the original document. (We could of course put double spaces between all paragraphs in the name of fidelity, though I think that's overkill) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 02:59, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- My concern is not so much with the absolute amount of space, but the relative amount of space. A clear visual cue that the date belongs with the text below it, not the text above, makes it more readable; and the original satisfies that need. After further thought, I think staying more true to the original, by using BR tags instead of paragraph breaks, would address both your concerns and mine, and would be more true to the original. How does this look to you? -Pete (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
- Great thoughts. Thanks everyone for your thoroughness. I would think that my grandpa thanks you also. Svobodat (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Peteforsyth: Using a br tag would not make sense semantically, which is why I did not do it in the first place; I think a double space before the date would be preferable to using a br after the date, and is probably the best solution besides coding values for margin-bottom on the dates or something like that. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 13:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Not being an HTML expert, I don't know what the semantic issue is (and I'm sorry to say, I am likely violating it in other ways...would be glad to have more info if you are able to direct me to documentation, or explain in more detail). -Pete (talk) 23:10, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- https://www.lifewire.com/why-use-semantic-html-3468271
- If you use a br tag, you are telling the wiki server, web browsers, and so forth, that the date is part of the paragraph below it, rather than a separate unit on its own. Technically we should be using header tags, but the way MediaWiki handles headers doesn't mesh with our proofreading methods; however we should still try to use semantic markup where possible to ensure that the text is as accessible as possible to as many readers as possible. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:45, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
- Not being an HTML expert, I don't know what the semantic issue is (and I'm sorry to say, I am likely violating it in other ways...would be glad to have more info if you are able to direct me to documentation, or explain in more detail). -Pete (talk) 23:10, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- My concern is not so much with the absolute amount of space, but the relative amount of space. A clear visual cue that the date belongs with the text below it, not the text above, makes it more readable; and the original satisfies that need. After further thought, I think staying more true to the original, by using BR tags instead of paragraph breaks, would address both your concerns and mine, and would be more true to the original. How does this look to you? -Pete (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
