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Mr. Kirby stated that the conference with CIA lasted approximately 3½ hours, much of the time being taken up with explaining to CIA the limitations on the materials. CIA was informed that the principal traffic emanated from New York to Moscow, that there was also considerable traffic between Canberra, Australia, and Moscow, and a smaller amount of traffic between London and Moscow, as well as a little other traffic.
Mr. Kirby said he informed CIA that AFSA was not in the identification business and that identifications made on the basis of the material were known to the Bureau and were the result of the Bureau's work. He explained further that the Bureau has been dealing with AFSA on this problem for a period of four years. He therefore informed the CIA representatives that in so for as identifications were concerned from the traffic, AFSA could not give this information to CIA. He tactfully suggested that such details would be available only through the Bureau.
Mr. Kirby said he did not find it necessary to explain to CIA the extent to which the material has been published and made available to the Bureau and he was not asked any such question. He said further he was not asked and did not tell the CIA representatives of the fact that the Bureau has furnished to AFSA in considerable detail the results of our investigations. He stated that the CIA representatives indicated they intended to approach the Bureau regarding certain aspects of this problem.
Mr. Kirby purposely had not called in to the conference Mr. Meredith Gardner, the cryptoanalyst who works on the problem, as he did not want Gardner placed in the position of having to answer questions regarding the extent of the material and the identifications made from the material. He said that this enabled Dennis and himself to take the position that they were not fully aware of all the work which has been done in connection with this matter. He said that he expected that CIA would probably contact the Bureau and would thereafter again contact his agency in order to obtain further information regarding matters which CIA feels will be of interest to their agency.
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