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Hmm.. The Score here sounds remarkably different from the version commonly heard in parts of the UK? Would you mind checking ?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:47, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ShakespeareFan00: Not the same tune. In the UK they sing to a welsh tune (CWM RHONDDA - see wikitext for youtube link) ; while the version given here is to a tune called "Zion" per the hymnal (see: ). 107.190.33.254 14:51, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks , I figured that :) Most suprised to see a different arrangement.. BTW Please consider getting an account, and thanks for your lillypond expertise in adding and checking the scores on these :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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At the moment, specifically for trying to figure out Gregorian chant notation... (from p. xxiv of the preface of The English hymnal (1906) 107.190.33.254 01:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
This page is specifically for the text as it appears in the Illustrated Victorian Songbook. The lilypond transcription you added does not match the image from the Illustrated Victorian Songbook. You can create a new page for the version from the Army and Navy Hymnal, but you should never replace an existing edition from a specific source with a copy from a different source. That would misrepresent what the source has. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
What I'm saying is if you find "obvious errors" it's much simpler (and usually faster) to try and fix them yourself (especially when it's something as simple as punctuation, which doesn't usually require wading too much into lilypond). I couldn't find a WS guideline which says "you are not allowed to make mistakes" (in fact, AFAIK, the whole point of the proofread/validation system is just in case there are such mistakes) so if there is such a guideline please be kind and point it out. Otherwise, if there are still mistakes in the current version, either fix them or (if you'd rather not mess with lilypond) inform me kindly what the mistakes are exactly so I can fix them without being informed 50 times that "there are still mistakes" (which isn't really helpful). Thank you, 107.190.33.254 20:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC) @EncycloPetey: 107.190.33.254 20:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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When you appeal to WS:AN, it is then up to the admins to decide that a matter is resolved. Please do not presume to act on their behalf. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- @EncycloPetey: See this. I have checked again and what I see is mostly trivial differences (trivial being the handwritten 1861, which is not part of the original publication; the exact placement of the mezzo-forte indication; the presence/lack of hyphens in some words due to constraints imposed by lilypond): the punctuation is the same; and the harmony is correct (I notice no obvious wrong notes either from a quick look at the score or when listening to it), and in any case the harmony is taken from the corresponding A&H hymnal page and it matches all known sources (i.e. the A&H scan, and I have double checked other hymnals for comparison just in case; ex. [1]). 107.190.33.254 20:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is no reason to check other hymnals. This item is explicitly for the version published in the Illustrated Victorian Songbook. If other hymnals differ, then we would create a separate page for their edition of the hymn. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- I checked other hymnals because there was one note in the harmony as published that wasn't clear (a bit smudged) so I verified to see what was correct. 107.190.33.254 19:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is no reason to check other hymnals. This item is explicitly for the version published in the Illustrated Victorian Songbook. If other hymnals differ, then we would create a separate page for their edition of the hymn. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi 107.190,
There's a discussion at WS:S#Replacing image of musical score with Lilypond in non-scan-backed works? that you may be interested in, both because you work in that area and because it is related to the issue above. It's an issue that crops up specifically on works that are not scan-backed (like Abide with Me (Illustrated Victorian Songbook)), and not on works that are (like The Army and Navy Hymnal), and how this interacts with our general policies and practices (especially the proofreading process and the principle of verifiability and validation by a second contributor).
All thoughts and opinions on how we should best approach that going forward would be welcome.
PS. Did I mention that user accounts on enWS are free, and you don't even need to provide an email address? :) --Xover (talk) 09:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Xover: See WP for some updates on that last point on yours. I'll take a look at the discussion too. Thanks, 107.190.33.254 14:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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