Author talk:Thomas Charles Turberville

Sources

Name

Possibly Thomas, but Google isn't very helpful here. — LlywelynII 07:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Probate

• Calendar of the Grants ...

Name: Thomas Charles Turberville
Death Date: 24 Dec 1871
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 9 Feb 1872
Probate Registry: Principal Registry

States that he is editor of the English Independent newspaper, died at 58 Tufnell-park road, Holloway (his residence), Charlotte Turberville, widow.

Son's baptism

• London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.

Name: Arthur Charles Turberville
Baptism Age: 51
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 16 Jan 1858
Baptism Date: 10 Dec 1909
Baptism Place: Saint Paul, Herne Hill, Southwark, England
Father: Thomas Charles Turberville
Mother: Charlotte Baylis Turberville

Father's occupation given as Congregational Minister, though over a strikethrough of journalist; subsequent records indicate that minister is ACT's occupation.

Birth

• England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.

Name: Thomas Charles Turberville
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1825
Birth Place: Silver Street Baptist,Worcester,Worcester,England
Father: Thomas Turberville
Mother: Mary Daniell
FHL Film Number: 0816601 (RG4 1908)

burial

• https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=14453484

Burial Register summary
last name Turberville
first names Thomas C
Burial date 1871
Location Camden

More family

Turberville has come up for me, on w:Kingsley Martin and w:John Campbell (minister).

Geographically, at least, he may be related to Rev. George Turberville (Alumni Oxonienses: the Members of the University of Oxford, 1715-1886/Tuberville, George, see note there for spelling), 50 years at Hanley Castle, died 1839; and Edmund Turberville RN died 1858 (A Naval Biographical Dictionary/Turberville, Edmund). Edmund T. comes out as George T.'s only son, according to an obituary [1]. George T. is mentioned a number of times in T. C. Turberville's History

Reviewing what else I have:

• Edmund T.'s marriage to Mary Westcar (1819, NBD) ended in divorce 20 years later.[2] Her father was John Westcar of Creslow (not Cuslow as in NBD) who was a wealthy farmer. So, children?
• From FreeBMD: Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%) Turberville Thomas Charles Birmingham. A newspaper report [3] gives this as "Mr. Thomas Charles Turberville, to Miss Charlotte Baylis, both of this city" married March 6 at the Bradford Street Chapel, by Rev. H. Brown.
• T. C. Turberville comes into the John Campbell article as a Congregationalist journalist. He may have been an invalid from 1857 onwards.
• Alice Charlotte Turberville (1867-1934) married (David) Basil Martin (1858-1940), a Congregational minister, and was mother of Kingsley Martin. (ODNB) Matches FreeBMD Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Turberville Alice Charlotte Islington.

A lot hangs on the correctness of the below, from [4]:

Alice Charlotte Martin (born Turberville), 1867 - 1934
Alice Charlotte Martin (born Turberville) was born on month day 1867, at birth place , to Thomas Charles Turberville and Charlotte Turberville (born Baylis) .
Thomas was born on June 2 1825, in Silver Street Baptist, Worcester, Worcester, England.
Charlotte was born Circa 1829, in St Helens, Worcestershire, England.
Alice had 4 brothers: Arthur Charles Turberville and 3 other siblings .
Alice married David Basil Martin on month day 1893, at age 26 at marriage place .
David was born on January 12 1858, in St Pancras, Middlesex, England.
They had 5 children: Hugh Percival Martin , Basil Kingsley Martin and 3 other children .

I'm not seeing inconsistency.

myheritage.com also gives [5]:

Thomas Charles Turberville, 1825 - 1871
Thomas Charles Turberville was born on month day 1825, at birth place , to Thomas Turberville and Mary Turberville (born Daniell) .
Thomas was baptized on month day 1825, at baptism place .
He had one brother: Charles Turberville .
Thomas married Charlotte Turberville (born Baylis) .
Charlotte was born Circa 1829, in St Helens, Worcestershire, England.
They had 4 children: Alice Charlotte Martin (born Turberville) and 3 other children .
Thomas lived on month day 1841, at address .
He lived on month day 1861, at address .
He lived on month day 1865, at address .
He lived on month day 1871, at address .
Thomas passed away on month day 1871, at age 46 at death place .
He was buried on month day 1871, at burial place .

Charles Matthews (talk) 10:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

One of T. C. Turberville's other children should be Alice's brother Frank mentioned in w:Kingsley Martin article, as in South Africa. I believe this will be TURBERVILLE Frank Selden 1862-1941 mentioned in this Eastern Cape grave record. FreeBMD comes up as Births Dec 1862 (>99%) TURBERVILLE Frank Selden Islington, which looks fine.

There is a bit more, in the C. H. Rolph biography of Kingsley Martin used as a reference. For the South Africa voyage, "the fare was provided by "Cousin Emily", a wealthy cousin of Mrs Martin's father living at Edgbaston. She was the widow of a prosperous Birmingham business man; she was also a pillar of the Methodist Church and a well-known Birmingham character who probably deserves a book to herself." May not be nee Turberville, of course.

@Billinghurst: Can you correlate? Charles Matthews (talk) 10:19, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Charles Matthews: The children that you mention are correct. What exactly are requiring to prove? Just the children of TC Turberville? Or are you looking to tie in George? [Note, I think Tuberville is just a typographical error, as it sits alphabetically as Turberville) — billinghurst sDrewth 07:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Billinghurst: There is not likely to be a close connection between George and Edwin, Anglicans, and Thomas Charles, nonconformist, I would now say.

On "Tuberville", hard to say whether it is college register error or a transcription error or a typographical error. Foster does not adhere to strict alphabetical order, and oftentimes groups surnames. The point is moot, though.

Since this came up first on w:Kingsley Martin, I would like to source the statement that Alice Charlotte Turberville was the daughter of Thomas Charles Martin. It seems quite possible that there is good information in Father Figures (1966), autobiography by Kingsley Martin. Absent the pandemic, I could check that in a library. Seems a basic point, since Martin was a campaigning journalist of the left, to establish a grandfather who was a journalist in popular newspapers; and the ODNB doesn't pick up on that.

Thomas Charles Turberville may be notable in the Wikipedia sense. I think that would take more digging in newspapers, to establish.

Thanks for the files. Frank Selden Turberville is said to have been an artist, played in a local cricket team, and farmed in the area, then called "Highlands". On the map it looks a really isolated part of the Eastern Cape where he settled. Charles Matthews (talk) 07:49, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Charles Matthews: I presume you meant the mother of, rather than the daughter of. OR you mean the confirmation that she is the daughter of Turberville. That seems evident from the census. I will put any research for that on the talk page at enWP. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Census

• 1871 England

Name: Frank Selden Turberville
Age: 8
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: St My Islington, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Islington St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 69
Household schedule number: 100
Piece: 274
Folio: 44
Page number: 24
Household Members Age Relationship
Thomas Chs Turberville 45 Head, Editor
Charlotte Turberville 43 Wife
Arthur Chas Turberville 13 Son
Alfred Ernest Turberville 10 Son
Frank Selden Turberville 8 Son
Alice Charlotte Turberville 3 Daughter
Catherine H Turner 15 Servant

• 1841 England

Name: Thos Turberville, traveller
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Hundred: Worcester
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Worcester
Sub-registration District: Worcester South
Neighbors:
Piece: 1209
Book: 15
Folio: 36
Page Number: 20

Thos Turberville 1801 Worcestershire, England St Peter, St Peter, Worcestershire, England
Mary Turberville 1806 St Peter, St Peter, Worcestershire, England, school mistress
Charles Turberville 1826 St Peter, St Peter, Worcestershire, England
Louisa Daniell 1811 St Peter, St Peter, Worcestershire, England, school mistress

1842 Midlands Trade Directory lists him as sugar agent in Sidbury St

a William Turberville as a cooper

Turberville and Daniell, seminary, Sidbury St