Category talk:United States executive orders
No; if someone navigates to "Executive orders" they should expect to be able to drill down to U.S. executive orders
That's my problem - I have yet to come across any other "Executive Order" issued by anybody from any government except for the United States President or a Governor of one of the United States themselves (hence the big honkin' zero other pages or subcategories under "Executive orders"}.
"Category:Executive orders" should be under Category:US Government Documents because nobody else uses that designation but within the Federal or State Governments of the US and everything currently in Category:United States executive orders is should be in it but that may be too much to hope for around here....
United States
- Government
- Federal (cross CAT with PD-USGov here)
- Executive (cross CAT with US Presidents authors AND PD-USGov-POTUS here)
- Directives (cross CAT with PD-USGov-POTUS here)
- Executive orders ( ditto )
- Proclamations ( ditto )
- etc etc.
- Executive Office (cross CAT with PD-USGov-POTUS here)
- National Security Council
- Offfice of Management Budget
- Administration (cross CAT with PD-USGov-POTUS here)
- Department of State
- Secratary of State (cross CAT with PD-USGov-POTUS here)
- Department of Defense
- etc etc.
- Department of State
- Legislative (cross CAT with US Reps. & Senators authors here)
- Congressional Record
- Proposed Bills
- Resolutions
- Enacted Laws
- Copyright Law
- Patent Law
- Criminal
- etc etc.
- Judicial
- World or Global (cross CAT with other two branches as needed here)
- Supreme Court Cases
- District Court Cases
- Appelate Courts Cases
- etc etc.
- Executive (cross CAT with US Presidents authors AND PD-USGov-POTUS here)
- State
- the 50 states here
- repeat the 3 branches in Federal for each state
- the 50 states here
- Federal (cross CAT with PD-USGov here)
If there's a need to associate the same functions or positions in government between the different nations which have different titles given to them, then it should be notes at top of the Category - Like Statutory Instruments are similar to the US Presidential Executive Order in the UK for example.
- There are others -- for example, w:Philippine Executive Order 464. Yes, that category is otherwise empty, but there certainly can be orders from other countries added eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if other countries which were former U.S. territories used that terminology. The point about U.S. governors issuing them is interesting... maybe there should be a presidential subcategory (currently there are only presidential ones from the looks of it). Clindberg (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, and PD-USGov-POTUS is probably a legacy category used by an old copyright tag (all the subtags of PD-USGov were subsumed into just one PD-USGov; everything with that tag is automatically added to that category, so I'm not sure we should really be populating the subcategories any more). The -POTUS tag was also only for the Executive Office and subagencies (like the OMB), but that would not include any of the executive departments or independent agencies, so Secretary of State stuff would not go in there. I would imagine that as more documents get added, the category tree you have above will get fleshed out. It is pretty good on Wikipedia, and it is gradually happening on Commons.Clindberg (talk) 15:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- well it's infuriating to me - it just makes people both abroad and here at home more and more dumb about how government works. Executive Orders, Directives, Memoranda etc. are basically delegated laws that never go beyond the entities within the Executive branch itself or, at the most, only for the Federal Government (never affects the public at large as it could if it was legislation written by Congress and enacted by Presidential signature into law - i.e. the Statues at Large).
- Proclamations are the only type that can and do get interpreted as Statues do but a Proclamation that hasn't been mandated or requested by an Act of Congress first (such as asking the President to add July something as Korean War Veterans' Day and to fly the flag accordingly on that day), means the proclamation is not legally enforcable as 'true' law but more of Policy statement or an Atta boy for somebody in government. The Constitution allows the President the basic power to issue the other types of orders while Congress has delegated their Constitutionally granted authority in addition to that to allow Proclamations to carry the weight of law in short.George Orwell III (talk) 16:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
- Intresting find...
In light of the following → REVERSE ← category tree, I still say the Category:United States executive orders Category could be streamlined (like it is for the [2009 works] one branch 'below' on back to the root category} a bit better.