or that was meant to suggest to that "Hey, if you don't do it, others will"? Give me a sense of your reaction when he raised Jeff Clark's name?
A Certainly it was strange because it sort of came out of left field. And if there was anyone I thought he would have mentioned, it certainly wouldn't have been Jeff Clark. So I was a little taken aback by the reference. But this notion of "Well, maybe, I should just change leadership, people are telling me I should fire you two," it was sort of a matter of saying: Mr. President, go ahead. If you want to do it, that's fine. You should have the leadership you want. But understand it's not going to change anything.
So it didn't upset me. I didn't feel particularly pressured one way or the other. But this was a point he was making that informed the whole discussion, and the discussion had continued over the next couple of weeks.
Q Yeah, well, it sounds like, Mr. Donoghue, you didn't feel pressure. It's going to be reflected as we go forward in these other calls.
So, later that night, do you get a call, a followup call as he promised, from Congressman Perry, Scott Perry from Pennsylvania?
A I did. And I took notes, and those are reflected in tab 7.
Q Okay.
A I would note the outset—
Q Just the 28th, but was the call actually on the night of the 27th?
A It was. I misdated that. I apologize.
Q Well, just tell us about the conversation with Congressman Perry.
A Sure. I apologize for the handwriting. I was in the back of a moving vehicle at the time.
So, to Congressman Perry, Pennsylvania, in the left margin, it says:
