there's—there's—the crowd gets dense. And, again, I can't see the conflict, but I already known about it minutes prior, whatever, from Twitter or a text message.
Q So when you got to the Capitol, did you see any of this conflict that you just mentioned? Did you see it—
A No, I actually just said I didn't see it because the crowd was so dense toward the fronts.
Q Got it.
A But they were in a spot they shouldn't have been in. I saw no barricades. I saw no police officers. And I were like—and I was, like, what the hell are people doing on the inauguration side? We hadn't been there in December. We hadn't been there in November. Stop the Steal had never been on the inauguration side. So who directed these people? Who pushed these people here? Who let these people in? Where were the barricades? Those were the first questions that popped in my head when I'm observing this dense situation in the context of a text message that I received about conflict.
Q So going back to exhibit 26 on page 170, you there? I just want to make sure you're there.
A Yes, sir.
Q Ms. Wren says to you, "I think you should leave. This will come down on you hard." Help us understand why this would come down on you hard.
A I was the guy who started Stop the Steal as a protest movement, which is separate from people chanting it, which is separate than the origin of the phrase. So I led an organization, and she—it looks like out of concern that the media would characterize what happened there prior to me getting there as my fault and other activists' fault. But I, you know, because this is a text message from one person to
