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Q Okay. Don't remember his words?
A I don't remember his exact words. That's what I'd always, you know, try to counsel people, is don't let your emotions get ahead of you.
Q And was this in the post-election period, meaning after November 3rd?
A Yeah, it was.
Q Do you think it was something related to the election?
A Honestly, , I don't remember. I really can't, . I just don't remember it all.
Q Just to put kind of a timing perspective on it, was it before the January 5th, the events at the Capitol, or after, if you can recall?
A I don't remember.
Q Okay.
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Q Was he leaving a conversation with the President—
A Uh-huh.
Q —and you were going in?
A Yeah. That was I think—the more I think about it, , that's when he was coming out and I was going in, and he seemed irritated. And I've known Pat for, you know, entire time. You know, the natural way I work is, "Hey, Pat, what's up?" you know, and spun up. And I can't remember exactly why.
Q He's a pretty measured person?
A Very much so. And that's the reason why—I mean, cause Pat Cipollone was always there, be it a Presidential daily brief, if we were talking about a military operation, or any type of thing. The White House Counsel was always there, as was when it came to national security, so was the National Security Council lawyer.
