It is the medium-size nations who will run amok -- Greece, India, Cyprus. We must work on the NPT or else India and the other will run amok.
President: How long have you been in politics?
Callaghan: Since 1945.
President: I started in 1948, when Truman surprised everyone. I supported Internationalism against an isolationist -- even in the heartland of the Midwest -- and we won handily.
Callaghan: Why did Kennedy withdraw?
President: Several things. One, what happened to his brothers; two, his wife; three, his son; four, the rush of articles on Chappaquidick. It would have been an issue. Adding it all up -- the key in what he said is he would still be young enough in 1984.
Callaghan: Do you think there is a natural Democratic majority in Congress?
President: To some extent, but growing affluence and the move to the suburbs are modifying that. The polls show that there is growing conservatism.
Callaghan: How does a Republican President handle a Democratic Congress? It is inhibiting?
President: In some ways. I had a dinner with 27 last night. I have good relations with the Democratic leadership. Do you have that support?
Callaghan: Not the same way, but personalities play a big role.
President: We do well when there is not a philosophical difference.
Callaghan: You do this more openly than we. We do some, but all of it is behind the scenes.
President: We do it openly. I have joint groups to breakfast, and soon.
Callaghan: These questions of handling people are fascinating. Your Constitution is fascinating.
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