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MR. SIMPSON: I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to ask me, but if it's -- I'm not going to get into what discussions I had with my client about who their clients were.

MR. GOWDY: I'm looking at a release from Perkins Coie that is giving me more information than you are. Have you seen the release where they released you from some of your confidentiality obligations?

MR. SIMPSON: I would like to see a copy of that, if you don't mind.

MR. GOWDY: Do your lawyers not have it?

MR. SIMPSON: It's been a busy time. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry if I'm not giving you a clear answer. I knew it was the DNC that we were working for.

MR. GOWDY: Okay. How did you know it was the DNC?

MR. SIMPSON: I honestly don't -- I couldn't tell you if someone specifically said, this is for the DNC.

MR. GOWDY: Well, how else would you know it was for the DNC? Did you read it?

MR. SIMPSON: As I'm trying to explain, I know -- I've been in Washington for a long time, and Perkins Coie represents the DNC.

MR. GOWDY: So you knew it by habit and custom?

MR. SIMPSON: I'm -- yes.

MR. GOWDY: By habit and custom?

MR. SIMPSON: I feel like I'm in a difficult position, because I have not been released from my client -- by my client to talk about anything that we talked about, but I'm trying to give you the answer that I think you want, which is I was definitely aware that Perkins Coie represented the DNC and that they were the client in this matter.

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