Carpenter
Well, you've got another case that's close to home, you've got the Indonesians wanting to take over West New Guinea.
Spender
That's right.
Carpenter
And what are your views on that?
Spender
Well, our views have been expressed more than once. We say, in the first place, it isn't a matter which is one which ought to be brought into the United Nations at all, And, secondly, that when the issue is examined there isn't the slightest merit in the claim of Indonesia that they're making. These people of West New Guinea are quite different people all together. I've never for my part been able to understand by what justification under the charter or otherwise, you can hand over either by this or that means, one and a half million people who are different people all together without asking them what they think. We don't hand over people these days, I hope, to anyone.