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!2S.x. JAN. u. 1922.] NOTES AND QUERIES. 21 LONDON, JANUARY 14, 1922. CONTENTS. No. 196. NOTES : The Troutbeck Pedigree, 21 Needham's Point Naval and Military Cemetery, Barbados, 23 Principal London Coffee-houses in the Eighteenth Century, 26 A

  • Parliamentary Election in the Seventeenth Century, 27

Provincial Booksellers, A.D., 1714, 28 Edward Fitz- Gerald: E. F. G. Apprentices to and from Overseas- Inequality of Postal Rates, 29 " Dear Clifford's Seat " Sussex Pronunciation of Place-names Caen Wood A Singular Request, 30. QUERIES : Dr. Gideon A. Mantell, F.R.S. Baron Grant Beauchamp : Moseley : Woodham (Wodham) Song-book by Tobias Hume St. John the Almoner Launching of Ships, 31 Rabbits in Australia Cipher on St. James's Palace The Brighton Athenaeum Pedigrees wanted Adah Isaac Menken's ' Infelicia ' The English " h " : Celtic, Latin and German Influences James Hales Thoresby Hardres Welsh Map sought, 32 ' The Ingoldsby Legends ' Inscriptions on an ' Icon, 33 Proverb : Origin wanted Matthew Arnold : Reference sought Author's Name wanted, 34. REPLIES :" Mata Hari's " Youth, 34 Vice- Admiral Sir Christopher Mings, 35 Title of " K.H." Sir Richard Woolfe Cotton family of Warbleton (Warblington), 36 The House of Harcourt, 37 Plugenet " Journey " Snokers' Folk-lore, 38 Edward Lamplugh Molesworth Author of Poem wanted, 39. NOTES ON BOOKS : ' Ancient Tales from Many Lands ' ' Essays and Studies by Members of the English Associa- tion ' ' Pedigrees of some East Anglian Dennys ' ' Memoir of Colonel William Denny, Lieutenant- Governor of Pennsyl- vania." Notices to Correspondents. THE TROUTBECK PEDIGREE. INTEREST in this family arises perhaps for the most part only at its extinction in the main line, when an heiress carried Al- brighton to the Talbots of Grafton accord- ing to the usual accounts. At that point we read John Talbot was already married to Margaret Troutbeck, daughter of Adam, and heiress of Adam's elder brother William, she being then 16 years of age, namely, at William's death in 2 Henry VIII. or about 1510. Such are the statements advanced by Helsby, in his ' Ormerod's Cheshire ' (ii. 42), using a version evidently derived mainly from a draft by Beamont. It seems difficult to believe that the facts quite agreed ; and Beamont's Introduction to the * Amicia Tracts ' controversy does ^not indicate him a peculiarly sagacious 1 genealogist. The above Adam is called a second son ; and as his heir, his , daughter Margaret becomes also heir, no doubt, to his elder brother William, if it were possible to accept the statement of the pedigree that William " ob. s.p." This, however, appears to be entirely erroneous : the fact is that William says he executed certain deeds passing lands to his. " children " ; in his will (P.C.C., 35 Bennett) he recites that the deeds were dated May 1 (1508), 23 Henry VII., whence it may seem plian he had no issue born after that date. Since upwards of two years before his death these children are alive, he certainly had issue, whether surviving him or not. . This William is stated to have been 15 years of age in 4 Edward IV., whence he was born about 1449. His father had died 2 Edward IV., and in the two years' interval he had been ward first of the King and then of Sir John Butler of Bewsey. The quoted pedigree presents that by 2 Edward IV. (1462) he had been married to a Joan or Jane, daughter of Sir John Botiller, doubtless the guardian : it may be the date should read 4 Edward IV., namely, the year of the inquisition upon his father's death. Passing that, he is at least married by 1464, and then some 15 years of age : but there is a further statement that he was divorced from Joan, "July 31, 1491," they "being within the fourth degree." He was by then aged about 42, and had been her husband for 27 years or more; the "children" of whom he speaks in his alleged deeds of 1508 when he is near 60 might thus include some issue of. Joan. By 1508, the youngest of such issue, if any, must be nearing their majority ; some of them may be parents of issue already growing up. Possibly there are none, however ; that might have stimulated a respect for the asserted canonical scruples of two decades ago. In any case William marries again, and to a wife capable of bringing him an heir. She was "Margaret, daughter of Richard Hough of Leighton esq. married in or ante 18 Henry VII." (1502-1503), namely, at least 5 years, and maybe over 15 years, before the date of these deeds. That will suggest that he has relatively young issue in his own word, children born of Margaret. She is stated to have remarried William Poole of Poole, by 4 Henry VIII. (1512) ; to him she bore several children, including