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unless he were related or indebted to the Abbot
Serlo, who until 1072 had been a monk at
Mont St. Michel. If not a brother of John,
Serlo must have been some relative, for a few
days after the death of Eustace in Wales,
Henry II. confirmed all the lands of Serlo to
Eustace's son and heir, William " de Vesci."
It may possibly be new to some readers of
- N. & Q.' that William fitz Aldelirie was a
Yorkshireman, and not in any way connected with William de Burgh, with whom he had long been identified by the heralds. Who he really was I found many years ago from Harl. MS. 800; and the late Mr. Holmes, editing this MS. for the Yorks. Archaeological Journal, xii. 139, did the same in 1894. The anonymous author of 'The Norman People'
has identified Aldeline, William's father, with
a contemporary namesake at Aldfield, near
Kipon, but it has yet to be proved, and he
knew nothing about his being lord of the
manor of Thorpe Audlin, near Pontefract, so
called after him to this day.
It may be worth while mentioning here that Aldelm is a very old misreading of the letters in for an m, a thing easily done in mediaeval MSS.
I append a pedigree necessary to make all this more clear. It is only Serlo de Burgh and Agnes de Valoines who do not stand very satisfactorily the test of probable dates. Agnes must have been much more than sixty in 1185 ("plusquam" in the record), and her niece Agnes was then sixty.
Ranulf the moneyer (of Caen) bought the mill of Viem, 1035=p
Waleran fitz Ranulf of Caen, 1066, came=
over with the Conqueror, had lands in
Essex, &c., the tithes of which he gave
to the Abbey of St. Stephen at Caen ;
had the mill of Viem ; dead 1086.
p Richard, father of=f=....
John, so brother or
brother-in-law of
Waleran ; qy. dead
1086.
. Conan had
the mill of
Amblie near
Caen, 1066 ;
had a dau.
John fitz Wale-=
F= John, " nepos Walerami," 1086, held=f=...
Qy. Serlo
ran had the
barony in Essex,
among other manors Saxlingham in
Norfolk, the tithes of which John "fitz
de Burgh
or de
&c.,1086; living
Richard" gave to Gloucester Abbey
Pembrocke.
1094.
before 1104 ; seized the mill of Viem, 1076.
Robert =j
Doisnell
Juliana (qy.=William de Pain^Sybil Beatrix,
dau.of John) Hastings, fitz " dau. and
pEustace fitz^Agnes, William
John gave dau. fitz
1
Agnes,
widow
had the
fief of
1130. John;
dead
h. of
Ivo de
rent in
Saxlingham
of John.
Wm,
of Roger
de Va-
Waleran
1137.
Vesci.
to Glou.
fitz
her grand-
father,
1130.
Abbey ;
d. July,
1157.
Nigel
set. 60 and more, 1185.
Juliana,=
dau.
and h.,
1166.
p William fitz Aide-
line, of Thorpe
Audlin, co. York.
The king's dapifer,
and in 1176 his
deputy in Ireland.
=Eustacia de Cecily,
Courtenay m.
(qy. dau. of Roger,
Reginald) Earl of
m. 2 Lucas Here-
fitz John. ford.
Ralf, qy.
d. s..
John " de Cour-=Emma
tenay" of Hurst-
Courtenay, co
York, d. s.p.
Agnes,
widow of
Hubert de
Mont-
chenesy ;
set. 60, 1185.
Eustace de Vesci in<
exchange gave his
lands in Saxlingham
to Adam de Carlisle.
William "de=i
Vesci,"
son and heir;
d. 1185.
= Richard =i
Eustace, Con- Chester.
Westminster.
Matilda, m.
Adam de Carlisle.
A. S. ELLIS.
" BANDY-LEGGED " = " KNOCK-KNEED." The
old maxim, " Don't be too sure about
anything, applies here. Ninety-nine men
out of every hundred would say at once
that bandy - legged " = " bow - legged "
i concavity inwards-but the
does not admit this fact. Its
assertion is m accordance with the heading
given. From the point of view of the afore-
said ninety-nine, the 'H.E.D.' makes matters
