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NOTES AND QUERIES. [9* s. ix. JAN. n, 1902.

nepos possibly of Maurice, Bishop of London whose rather uncommon Christian name w find used by William's descendants. Williai was called " de Londonia," and gave the tithe of Eastgarston to Herley Priory ('Form. Angl p. 252). Madox had the original before him which was endorsed in an old hand "Cart Willelmi de Londoniis." Maurice, his son was a witness. It is not improbable : was a sister of William who married Hare ing fil. Eadnoth (see 6 th S. ii. 11), and wa mother of Robert fitz Harding, the founde of Bristol Abbey, Maurice, and other sons Robert, in conjunction with a William d London, gave Blacksworth, in Kingswood, t the abbey. It should be further rioted tha Robert called his eldest son Maurice, whic has continued to be the favourite name of th Berkeley family ever since.

William de London was one of the knight who went with Robert fitz Hamon into Gla morganshire, founded Ewenny Priory, anc was a donor to Neath and Kid welly, &c.

Thomas de London, a contemporary who may have been another son, went into Scot land with King David, and had a grant o Leased wyn. He left a son Maurice, and it i this circumstance that makes me think he was one of this family. Of course much more about the Londons of Ogmore and Kid well j is known, but these notes and suggestions may be enough for MR. A. HALL'S purpose.

A. S. ELLIS. Westminster.

BIBLIOGRAPHY OF THE BICYCLE (9 th S viii 304 490, 530). -The following obiter dicta might appropriately fall under the head of

Wrong forecasts by Eminent Men,' but as they may not have come under the notice of some of your readers who are interested in the subject the reference may be worth ad- vancing. They are thus related by Bransby J. Cooper m the ' Life of Sir Astley Cooper' (vol. 11. p. 309) :

"One morning our visitor was Prof. Vince of Cambridge and my uncle almost immediately began to talk to him upon the subject of these velocipedes The doctor said he had heard of them and admitted the ingenuity of the contrivance. This induced

from the 7 * * 1 ^T aU ^ fe * *ug 'it wi 1 F Ti Un ;, ve 7 al employment. 'Sir,' said he* it will alter the face of the country : no grass wil be grown but all farms will become arable] for wh

r wo vl ichd ' m f hme can be substituted

and the f! ? ?i Or ? than tW r three pounds ' ^H if fi (8t outlay is the whole expense?' 'Sir' said Mr. Vince, 'I misunderstood you; the exie-

extend of 'a T^f^ I merely JmitU to t'he eSif i l Y i' for j lb can ncvcr facilitate or trarv n P len t . hene d Journey. It would be con-

could for Tt y - aX - m ln .^hematics to s PPose it nd, tor it is impossible by any mechanism to

increase your velocity without diminishing your power; and as, in this instance, the power emanates from the employer, he would soon become too happy to be satisfied with the speed of his natural pro- gression, and glad to cease exhausting himself by sustaining an additional weight to his own body. In two months you will hear no more of them.' "

These opinions were expressed in or about 1823. RICHARD LAWSON.


WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR'S HALF BROTHERS AND SISTERS (9 th S. viii. 199, 293, 525). Robert, Earl of Mortain, did not found the abbey of St. Evroult, where Orderic Vital was, also called Ouche. He founded, with the Countess Matilda, his wife, in 1082, the collegiate church of St. Evroult at Mortain. I did not make this clear in my previous com- munication. F. S. VADE-WALPOLE.

fStagbury, Banstead.

THE SIGNATURE OF THE DUKE OF CAM- BRIDGE (9 th S. viii. 525). MR. CHARLES HIATT says he has the duke's signature "Cambridge." This was probably written by his equerry, as I have it; certainly not by the duke himself.

The Prince of Wales, if he follows his father's precedent, will sign " George, P."

A. F. T.


101, 230, 388). It is quite true that W. C. B.'s

criticism "hardly meets the point" of my

lote, but much of MR. PHINN'S is equally

rrelevant. I do riot see why, as regards

grammar, original hymns and translations

houlcl not be " measured by the same tests."

A translator ought no more to retain foreign

constructions than foreign words. It is

mfortunately true, as the late Mr. Palgrave

amented in a note on this subject which I

md from him many years ago, that translated

lymns, like all translated verse, are "rarely

ffective as poetry." Sometimes, indeed, they

are, for Mr. Palgrave himself, in an essay on

lymns in Good Words, once named one of

Miss Winkworth's translations' Christ will

gather in His own 'as worthy to stand be-

ide Newman's 'Lead, kindly Light,' but then

ie had forgotten the fact that it is a trans-

ation. All this, however, is again away from

be point, as is also MR. PHINN'S remark that

n original compositions why not in transla-

lons too? many phrases such as those of

vhich he cites examples may be tolerated,

Ithough they are usually disallowed in

ublic worship. My point is simply that on

nich John Wesley laid such stress that

ymns for general use ought to have not

nly "the purity, the strength, and the