Commissioners ?"
A. "Yes, I told them of it."
O. "What did you say?"
A. "I told them what Hooker Jim told me. I said I did not think it was of any use to try to make peace with those Indians without going to the Lava Beds right where they were. I further said the best way to make peace with the Modocs was to give them a sound thrashing and then make peace with them."
Q. "Did you tell the Commissioners what Hooker Jim said?"
A. '"Yes, sir, and the very first time we met in council after General Gillem had moved his army in or over to the Lava Beds, Hooker Jim came up to me, took a hold of me and said, 'You come out here and sit down.' He pushed me as he said he would. I said 'No.' '
Q. "When was this?"
A. "I do not remember the date. It was sometime in April, I think."
Q. "The first or second council?"
A. "The first council after Hooker Jim had told me this at Fairchild's ranch."
Q. "Were they the same or other Commissioners?"
A. "If my memory serves me right, the Commissioners were General Canby, Df. Thomas, Mr. L. S. Dyar and Mr. Judge Roseborough of Yreka, California. I won't be positive, though. Any way, Hooker Jim walked up to me, caught hold of my arm. He then pushed me to one side and said, 'You stand out there.' I said, 'No, I will not,' for I had to interpret for the people in council. My wife spoke to Hooker Jim. She then told him to behave. That he must not try to do anything that was wrong while he was there. Then Hooker looked at me and said, "Well, go and sit down, then !"
Q. "Did you visit the Lava Beds before the massacre, and if so, did you go alone or with some one else?"
A. "The first time I went to the Lava Beds I was with Squire Steele of Yreka, California, and John Fairchilds, -also of California.
O. (Interrupting). "Very shortly before the mas
