Page talk:EB1911 - Volume 28.djvu/832

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@PBS: I can't see what use your section label is going to be here. It is not used in the transclusion. This is the second time I've taken it out. I've put some section labels in so I can use them in the transclusion to insert the plate more gracefully (between paragraphs), but give me a clue as to what you're after. Library Guy (talk) 23:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

@User:Library Guy Lets be clear, I assume you are not asking about "{{section}}" labels you are talking about article section headers. I have found in the past that depending on how the pages index is set up it may require each page to be labelled. However at an editorial level I find it useful to have the label at the top of pages, to provide information about the article I am editing. Apart from aesthetics do you have any reason to remove them? -- PBS (talk) 08:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@PBS: I guess if it were an article you were editing I could kind of understand. Well thanks for the clue. I also find labels keyed into the article name useful for finding my way around, but only when there are multiple articles on the same page. This one has a fairly complex name which I guess is what prompted you. It doesn't seem to be messing anything up, so I won't bother them in the future. Library Guy (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@User:Library Guy I added the section labels on all of the pages in this article last year, I have been an occasional editor of this the article, but only to get rid of the worst OCR errors, for example there is Volume 28.djvu/831 Revision as of 12:59, 27 June 2020 and more recently Volume 28.djvu/838 Revision as of 16:08, 12 March 2021.

When you have finished you work on this article, if you would like to, there is another article you could work on, was it is the only outstanding one that a Wikipedia article needs. Its pages have many OCR and formatting problems and has yet to be created on Wikisource: "Thermometry" 821–836. --PBS (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@PBS: I've finished with Wool. My two current strands in EB1911 are to continue working on pages sequentially from this Wool article and to review all Alfred Newton's articles (on birds) to see how they might be improved. I'll keep Thermometry in mind. Thanks for your suggestion and fixes. Library Guy (talk) 13:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

@PBS: Would you consider using an HTML comment like <!-- Wool, Worsted and Woollen Manufactures --> for your purpose? This I think is what the wiki environment makes available for commenting source text, and would be more appropriate to your purpose and clearer to others. I think perhaps in your editing environment your post just shows up as ## Wool, Worsted and Woollen Manufactures ## at the top of the page and looks kind of like what people use to make comments in other situations besides wikis, but in my editing environment it shows up as <section begin="Wool, Worsted and Woollen Manufactures" /> at the top of the page and <section end="Wool, Worsted and Woollen Manufactures" /> at the bottom of the page. I'm also concerned about newbees and others who may think this is some necessary component for transclusion. I think it is confusing when you use it just to comment source text and it is not part of any transclusion strategy. Perhaps it would be best placed in the header since it is meant to elaborate on the information there? Library Guy (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@User:Library Guy "I have found in the past that depending on how the pages index is set up it may require each page to be labelled". If an inexperienced editor is looking at the few pages I edit and take it as inspiration, what does it matter to the project? What sort of edit environment are you using? -- PBS (talk) 06:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@PBS: It's just a matter of selecting a Preferences option as far as the section labels are concerned. In French Wikisource it has defaulted to the sort of environment you use as far as section labels are concerned, and I have let it be. Here in English Wikisource, I use the lower-level option which shows the labels directly as I outlined above. From my point of view, the mis-use of a mechanism for transclusion to label source code would just confuse a newbee. Confusion I don't see as a good thing. However on reflection I don't know that the HTML comments are visible in all editing environments. I tried substituting this HTML commenting approach on the next page. I found myself even more mystified by your labelling there when I noticed the page header has the article name verbatim, though it is all caps. The same is true of this page. Some pages I know have abbreviated titles in the header. Anyway I just thought I'd put out the alternative to you. Library Guy (talk) 14:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)