Template talk:PD-manifesto

Legal?

Why is Wikisource furthering the assumption that public speeches are somehow void of copyright? See Estate of Martin Luther King, Jr., Inc. v. CBS, Inc., which ruled exactly contrary to this. --Fastfission (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That is not what the template says. BTW, Are you still beating your wife? ;)--BirgitteSB 18:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Although Fastfission's question was loaded, he is correct that speeches and manifestos are not automatically void of copyright. That is a little detail the Wikisource community as a whole chose to ignore, unfortunately. —{admin} Pathoschild 21:36:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. This template encourages the uploading of copyvios. It should be deprecated, and the works on which it is used should be reviewed and retagged or deleted. 140.247.225.142 17:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

That's throwing the baby with bath-water. There are legitimate uses for this template, but these have to be explained. Yann (talk) 17:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• I gave a more substansive answer to Fastfissions concerns before replying here. But it was a bit silly of me to make the more flippant remark on the page that will be viewable forever and a day and while the detailed response has been moved from WS:DEL to WS:COPYVIO and soon to be archived. Anyways I basically agree with Yann.--BirgitteSB 18:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
  • I removed a bunch of the most obvious misuses of this template and listed one copyvio of what I believe to be crown copyright. Speeches be people who are easily contactable should be asked if the remarks where prepared in advance and if not {{PD-ineligible}} is the right template and if so we need them to release the copyright etc. etc. There are still likely other inappropriate uses of this template that need a closer look.--BirgitteSB 18:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) As I've said elsewhere, y'all are misapplying the MLK case. Just because CBS -- one of America's largest corporations -- settled out of court there doesn't make this one ruling the law of the land. Public speeches and manifestos are without copyright and belong to the public domain, just like the template has always said. -- Kendrick7 (talk) 20:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

If speech writer writes a speech and at a later time someone recites this speech from memory or reads it from a TelePrompter; this later derivative performance in no way invalidates the copyright on the text as written. If a person make some remarks off the cuff; these remarks are {{PD-ineligible}} because of the lack of fixation of this creative expression. For no reason should this template which assumes copyright status be used for a easily contactable person like Barrack Ombama. There is no reason to assume anything when we can inquire. This template is intended to be used for things like pamphlets and speeches distributed by revolutionaries who are dead or hiding in South American jungles. People were we have some implication that they wish the work distributed widely and whom we cannot contact for clarification. These edits [1] [2] need to be reverted or if you still dispute given a full hearing at WS:COPYVIO.--BirgitteSB 21:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)