A I don't know what her mood was.
Q Was she telling you someone that was making these decisions about the changes? Who was she saying was making these changes?
A I can't recall.
Q You can't recall if it was the White House making these changes?
A Yeah, I can't—I—there were changes every day. And I can't recall a specific change.
Q I guess I'm just trying to understand. If there's changes being made to a program that you're helping Ms. Wren with, it makes common sense that you'd want to know why the changes were being made. So what was your understanding at this point of why these changes were being made?
A That's an easy mistake to make. But it's not—the Trump campaign is a bigger fish than me. So it actually would not be common sense for me to give a rebuttal or ask for a reason why if I wasn't already provided one.
Q So you thought it was the Trump campaign making these changes?
A She was there as a representative of Trump World, and I was there to keep them happy and be a team player.
Q You weren't aware if Ms. Katrina Pierson was making changes to the speaker list?
A I—I don't know if I had direct knowledge or not. I had suspected that because of Ms. Pierson's previous relationship with Women for America First and her advocacy for them and things that had happened in prior events that got disrupted, that there was interference going on in Trump World and that Katrina Pierson was likely a source of that or a part of that.
Q So when you say interference going on in the Trump world, are you referring
