to the Trump campaign like you say with Ms. Wren? Is that what Trump world is?
A Trump world, it's—it's—you know, I don't know.
Q So Trump world, your testimony here today, can include the Trump campaign and the actual White House? Is that fair to say?
A Yeah, I think I'm using it in the same way that the press uses it. So it could be RNC. It could be the Trump White House, it could be the Trump campaign. And it could be joint fundraising committees that they have any influence over.
Q So your understanding: Why would Ms. Katrina Pierson or Women for America First be running interference on your speakers around this time?
A They don't like several of us. In November, we had a call with Ms. Katrina Pierson, me, and Kylie Kremer before our D.C. rally, I think November 14th, in which she had tried to—would seem like misrepresent a position in the White House. That stuck out to me because I knew she wasn't employed at the White House.
Q What was she trying to misrepresent to you about the position of the White House?
A That—that they didn't want the term "Stop the Steal" to be used. Instead, they wanted—there was another coalition going on and they wanted—they wanted the rest of us to kind of fall in line behind that.
Q So I saw text messages of that with Ms. Kylie Kremer where she was telling you to stop using the term "Stop the Steal." Why was it your understanding that this was not the representation of the White House?
A Because Katrina does not work at the White House. And then when I immediately confronted her that one of the President's children had recently just tweeted that, and that a either—yeah, I think an RNC official had just tweeted that, that that couldn't possibly be true, that if I was kind of the last to find out, then these other
