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Q So would it be odd, then, if the President did have this conversation about having National Guard troops for you not to be involved in that conversation?
A I think the answer is—it's both a yes and no answer. The answer is yes because I would have heard about it through Mark Meadows—through Mark Meadows, Marc Short, the Vice President or—and, no, because he would have been talking directly to his National Security Advisor O'Brien or the DNSA Matt Pottinger because that was their lane. And O'Brien would have been talking directly to the Acting Secretary of Defense.
Q Okay. But you never heard about this through Mark Meadows, for example.
A No, never did.
Q And you didn't hear about it through Mr. Pottinger.
A No.
Q Or anybody else at the National Security Council.
A Prior to 6 January?
Q Correct.
A No.
Q Okay. Did you learn after January 6th about the National Guard troops?
A Learned on 6th January.
Q Okay. And did you learn on January the 6th that the President had asked for them to be available?
A Some assumptions. And the assumptions are that day, when Mark Meadows -- and I have to paraphrase because I didn't write it down. He asked me, coming out of the back room, where's the National Guard?
And it was one of those, like, "Excuse me? You talking to me?" Because I
