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9* S. XI. APRIL 25 1903.] NOTES AND QUERIES.


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particulars to hand seem to connect him previously with Surrey, in which county his eldest son and one of his grandsons sub- sequently lived for a time. If any of your readers can supply me with information which will throw light on the family tradition as to a Scotch origin, I shall be much obliged for it. QUAESTOR.

GENERAL RICHARD HOPE. I shall be much obliged for any information respecting General Richard Hope, of the East India Company's service, father of the General Hope who some months since passed away at Winchester. HENRY GERALD HOPE.

119, Elms Road, Clapham, S.W.

BAGPIPES. By whom were the bagpipes which were once common in Lincolnshire and, I suppose, in other English counties devised and put together 1 ? Further, who makes the bagpipes still to be heard in rural France ? Were the country fiddles and other musical instruments which were anciently used in villages of local manufacture ; or did some guild of musical instrument makers send round hawkers to sell them at the country fairs 1 T.R.E.N.T.

[For Lincolnshire bagpipes see 5 th S. iv. 368, 474 6 th S. ii. 407; iii. 52, 95; iv. 113; 8 th S. iii. 13.]

"THE DEVONSHIRE DUMPLING." Have readers of ' N. & Q. } any information concerning the Air. Hopkins who was the champion wrestler of England, and was nicknamed the Devonshire Dumpling 1 He was a native of Exeter, I believe, and lived n the latter part of the eighteenth cen- tury or the first part of the nineteenth. He was my paternal great-grandfather, and on account of my being unfortunate in my childhood I was left without proper informa- tion. His ancestor, 1 believe, was a branch of the Hopkins family of Central England, some of whose members were M.P.s during the reign of Richard II.

FRANCIS ADOLPHUS HOPKINS.

Los Angeles, California.

JACOB LUCAS OF LONDON. Amongst the items of information given concerning West Haddon by Bridges, in his ' History of Northamptonshire' (1791), is the following :

"Mr. Jacob Lucas of London gave xxx., Mr. Edward Burnham x., and a certain maiden-woman of the town vl., the joint interest of which sums is employed in putting out poor children apprentices."

This charity is still administered, but there are no documents which throw any light on the date of its foundation. I have the ex- tract detailing the bequest of Edward Burn- ham's 10Z. from his will proved 22 December,


1704, from which it would appear that the apprenticing fund was then already in exist- ence, presumably having been founded on some anterior date by the bequest of Jacob Lucas. I cannot at present find out the date of this good man's death. If some kind correspondent can supply me with this or the date on which his will was proved I shall be very grateful. JOHN T. PAGE.

West Haddon, Northamptonshire.


ORIGIN OF THE TURNBULLS.

(9 th S. xi. 109, 233.)

As the pages of 'N. & Q.' are continually referred to, and their contents taken, more or less, as authoritative, I may be allowed to point out some errors into which MR. A. C. JONAS has fallen in his long notice on this subject. I am not going to enter into the question of the credibility of the story about the saving of Bruce from the attack of a wild bull. Many similar stories about the origin of other families are in circulation, and most of these can be proved to be fictitious. Whether this particular story is a myth or not does not concern me at present ; nor do I mean to discuss the history of the origin of the Turnbulls ; but 1 do wish to " look at the facts as far as traceable." MR. JONAS states that " the grant which Bruce made Willelmo

dicto Turnbul is from the Ragman Roll.

which originally was a true account of all benefices, so that they might be taxed at Rome." Now this valuation was made by Benemund de Vicci in 1275. Grants of land had no place in it ; and even supposing they had, it is impossible that any grant by King Robert I. could be in it, as that monarch was only born on 11 July, 1274. MR. JONAS fur- ther says : " Subsequently the name Ragman Roll was applied to four great rolls of parch- ment recording acts of homage done by the Scotch nobility to Edward I., 1296." It is equally clear that no grant can be in these rolls, and, as a matter of fact, neither the name Turnbull, nor any of its variations, occurs in them. Nor do I see how, as MR. JONAS thinks, the gift by Bruce must in all probability have been anterior to 1296. Bruce was not king till 1306, and had no power to make any grants before this. He did, however, make a grant to ** Willelmo dicto Turnebull." At what date this was is not certain, but it was after he came to the throne. It was not of lands in Teviotdale, but of a piece of land lying to the west of " Fulhophalch," or Philiphaugh, which is not