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9* S. XI. MAY 23, 1903.] NOTES AND QUERIES.


Ost See, &c. How were Italian lakes called in the Middle Ages in German maps ? The rise and fall of the tide is only 1 4 to 3 feet in the Adriatic. Milan is 390 feet above the sea, and Verona 150 feet. 1 think the flow of a river into a lake might be called the tide. Thus at Serin agar, Kashmir, the Apple Tree Canal flows from the Jhelum River, and has a sluice gate into the Dul or City Lake. The flow may be in or out of the lake ; if the river is in flood the sluice gate closes of itself. There was, when I saw it, no lock, so boats could not get through at all times, and might be described as " missing the tide."

R. B. B.

" GOES"=PORTIONS OF LlQUOR (9 th S.xi.346).

There is an account of the origin of this expression of an earlier date than that con- tained in the * Memoirs of J. Decastro ' (1824), namely in the 'Epicure's Almanack,' 1815. This account, though very similar to that given in the ' Memoirs ' quoted by URBAN, differs in several details, and is probably more correct :

"Mr. Jupp was one of the first of the publi- cans who served spirits to parlour guests in small pewter measures, the requisite sugar and water being always left on the table, and one customer, who seldom quitted the company without taking the contents of several measures (half-quarterns), always gave his order in the words, ' One more and I'll go.' A gentleman, hearing this one day for perhaps the fifteenth time, said to the waiter, ' Bring me a double quantity, for I mean to stay. 3 Thenceforward the half-quartern and the quartern were baptized in spirits, the former by the name of the 'go,' and the latter by the name of the ' stay.' A ' go of white ' was gin, a stay of yellow was brandy."

But while "stay" came only to go, "go" came to stay, for I believe the latter expres- sion is still common.


THACKERAY AND ' VANITY FAIR ' (9 th S. xi. 128, 213, 296, 338). The point of the last article at p. 296 is obscured by a misprint : the name "Panther Carr," as G. E. P. A. acutely suggests, seems to be derived from the panthers drawing a car in Titian's 'Bacchus and Ariadne.' I wish to thank MR. McTEAR for his explanation of "Sunday side," and to offer another surmise as to the '* Regent Club."

" Upon one occasion, some gentlemen of both White's and Brookes' had the honour to dine with the Prince Regent, and during the conversation, the Prince inquired what sort of dinners they got at their clubs ; upon which, Sir Thomas Stepney, one of the guests, observed that their dinners were always the same, ' the eternal joints, or beefsteaks, the boiled fowl with oyster sauce, and an apple tart this is what we have, sir, at our clubs, and very monotonous fare it is.' The Prince, without

further remark, rang the bell for his cook, Wattier, and, in the presence of those who dined at the Royal table, asked him whether he would take a house and organize a dinner club. Wattier assented, and named Madison, the Prince's page, manager, and Labourie, the cook, from the Royal kitchen. The club flourished only a few years, owing to the high play that was carried on there. The Duke of York patronized it. I was a member in 1816, and frequently saw his Royal Highness there. The dinners were exquisite ; the best Parisian cooks could not beat Labourie. The favourite game played there was macao." ' Reminiscences of Capt. Gronow,' second edition, 1862, p. 79.


CRAWFORD (9 th S. xi. 328). For particulars of William Crawford, M.P. for London 1833-41, and of his son Robert Wygram Craw- ford, see 8 th S. xi. 447, 514.

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HELL-IN HARNESS (9 th S. xi. 187, 338). The following extract from the Daily Mail of 25 April, with reference to President Roose- velt's visit to Yellowstone Park on the 23rd, gives a good example of the manner in which the word " Hell " has been tacked on to a man's surname :

"On reaching the Mammoth Springs Hotel yesterday the President had an impromptu recep- tion, about 200 people from the neighbourhood being present. Among them were several ranchers and cowboys whom he had known when living in Montana years ago, including ' Hell-roaring JBill Jones,' under whom he once served as deputy sheriff."


Is MR. RATCLIFFE correct in his definition of " Hell " expressions 1 Certainly not, in my opinion, as applied to " Hell and Tommy," which is a corruption of " Hal and Tommy," and arose from the high handed practices of Henry VIII. and his corrupt minister Thos. Cromwell. To play " Hal and Tommy " was the slang expression for the "rectifications under compulsion " of the period in other words, " robbery by force."



"SuRiziAN" (9 th S. xi. 287, 377) I feel greatly obliged to your two correspondents MR. MACMICHAEL and MR. LATHAM for their answers. I had already concluded that the word surizian represented a form of suzerain, signifying a tenant holding of the king in capite. But it occurred to me also that it might represent rather a form of Serjeant, signifying a tenant holding of the king by some "service of serjeanty in either case a tenant in capite, having possibly under him mesn. tenants and arriere tenants rendering