- is not less than Twenty-five Miles long in its greatest Length; it is supposed to be Thirty Miles by some Persons in New Zealand.
What has been done with that Land?
- I left shortly afterwards, on a Visit to England, for the Purpose of being married, and I cannot say what has been done since. I came to the Bay of Islands and remained there from February to May.
Do you know any thing of Land purchased by a Mr. Baker?
- Mr. Shepherd pointed out a large Purchase at Wangaroa.
Was Mr. Baker a Missionary?
- He was a Catechist of the Church Missionary Society. In April 1835 I accompanied Mr. Shepherd to Wangaroa, and was Five Days with him, sleeping at the native Fortifications at Night.
Has Mr. James Davis, a Catechist, purchased Land?
- Yes; adjoining the Society's Farm at Waernati.
Has Mr. Clark purchased a Tract?
- Yes; a large Tract on the Western Side of the Society's Farm.
Has Mr. Kemp?
- He has purchased Land at Wangaroa and at Kerikeri.
Has Mr. King purchased any?
- Mr. King has made a small Purchase.
Do you know yourself the Manner in which any of these Purchases were made?
- They were purchased previous to my Arrival; they had commenced purchasing more than Six Years ago.
Were the Lands they had so purchased marked out and cultivated by them?
- The Rev. Henry Williams commenced first cultivating a large Tract he purchased at Titirianga; I have rode over it, and I consider it Seven Square Miles.
Do you know how any of those Purchases were made, except in the Instance you have stated?
- I was present at only one.
During the Time you were there, what do you consider the Extent of the European Population; did it increase or diminish while you were there?
- The Families of the Missionaries increased rapidly; there were upwards of 100 Children before I left.
How was the other Population?
- There were very few of the other Europeans married, except Mr. Busby, Captain Clendon, Mr. Mair, Mr. Greenway, and some few others, whose Names I do not know.
What do you consider to be the Number of Europeans in the Island when you were there?
- I consider there were 500 Convicts and runaway Sailors on the Seacoast; not in the Interior.
In what Sort of Way do they live?
- They lead a most reckless Life, by keeping Grog Shops, selling spirituous Liquors, both to Europeans and Natives; living with the Native Females in a most discreditable Way, so that the Natives have told me, in their own Language, to teach my own Countrymen first before I taught them. They have called us a Nation of Drunkards, or mad with Drink; the Form of the Word imports Madness. This arose from their seeing a Majority of Europeans of that Stamp in New Zealand.
Is there much of Violence and Theft among the European Population?
- They frequently fell out; while I was at the Bay there were Two Murders.
And no Punishment for them?
- No; Mr. Busby had not the Power.
