Saw that you used ----. You might find that {{rule}} is more useful. -- billinghurst (talk) 11:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposing a different wayEdit

Hi AngelPrincess72. I would like to introduce you to our newer means of getting texts on line and it is using the Proofread Page. To help lead I have

Have a look at some of our other works to see how we can proofread, and make things easier to undertake and have the rigour of an original text for fall back. Note I will add your page to my watchlist, so you can reply here. billinghurst (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Saw your header formatting issue. Some help ...
to get to the header/footer, you toggle the   top left on the toolbar. billinghurst (talk) 20:59, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Spelling ErrorEdit

Sorry about butting in on your work. You had a spelling error in the title which is why the links weren't working correctly. As long as you click on the links on the front page from now on that problem should be fixed. This version of Altar is spelled with ar not the er. Again sorry for the confusion. --Xxagile (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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If all finished the work ...Edit

If the work is complete then you can list it at {{new texts}}. Follow the instructions there about how to format, and to note that add one to the top, remove one from the bottom. -- billinghurst (talk) 13:14, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Jane Eyre/Chapter XXVIIEdit

I am trying out something new with Jane Eyre/Chapter XXVII, the procedure aligns the gutenberg version with the page scan. Let me know what you think. Cygnis insignis (talk) 16:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I wonder what you are correcting the punctuation against, if not the page scan? Cygnis insignis (talk) 16:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Remainder of bookEdit

Finishing of the remainder of the match and split, and then will run the bot over it to do what it can without thinking components, including move to proofread status. Running header, and chapters marks will need to be done on pages, and the pages in the main namespace will need formatting. I think that I bot'd most of the -- to —. billinghurst (talk) 22:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I will add, that with a MATCH & SPLIT, that it can get confusled at the end of chapters and occasionally pages, and have a word or a sentence on the wrong side of the page marker. Doesn't happen that often, however it really pays to confirm that the last word is the last word, and add {{hws}} and {{hwe}} if required. billinghurst (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

closing divEdit

don't forget the "/" : http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Villette/Chapter_V&curid=513259&diff=1725505&oldid=1725503 ThomasV (talk) 22:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


I have been through and applied Match and Split on the beast, and currently running the bot through to get them to the proofread stage. The latter chapters have the chapter name and bits upon them, which doesn't align with what you have done in your chapters. If that is the presentation that you want for the work, I would suggest that you wrap them inside <noinclude></noinclude> wrappers in the Page:namespace, and they will not transclude through to the main namespace. billinghurst (talk) 15:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I've noticed that the last page: page 500 is blank, and the rest of the chapter is written on the previous page. Do I leave it as it is, or add the rest of the chapter onto page 500 (even though there is no writing on it)? Thanks--Angelprincess72 (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I would leave it on the last page with text, though it is six of one, half a dozen of the other. billinghurst sDrewth 03:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
So do I leave the extra text on page 499 or move it to page 500? Thanks. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 14:30, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Best with the Xammies and the I/viewEdit

Not that my luck is worth anything, however, hope that all went well and they all asked the right questions. billinghurst (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Got your message. Very welcome. Now concentrate on the important things, we'll be here when there is time later. (best Dad look given <g>). billinghurst (talk) 02:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Hope that it all went well. For the bits that you will be here. Welcome back.  billinghurst sDrewth 23:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Billinghurst. The exams went great; and the questions were perfect. I'm back now to contributing as I did originally. Its so good to be back.  
/me does a little dance, unfortunately in that clunky unsophisticated male way. billinghurst sDrewth 23:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


I wanted to leave you a note to acknowledge that you have performed some hard work and show great dedication to this project. I will be helping you validate some of the Villette pages if you don't mind (it is hard to read too much of the same work for too long, so it is nice to mix it up). Ottava Rima (talk) 16:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I really appreciate an extra hand on the novel (and especially a lengthy novel), and you are more than welcome to help me validate. It's nice to be able to proofread on your own, but its even better when someone else is there to proofread as well: Wikisource encourages editors to work together: it builds friendship and teamwork. Thanks again.--Angelprincess72 (talk) 17:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


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Something that may or may not be of interest, or on which you would like to comment — billinghurst sDrewth 01:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Billinghurst#MusicalsEdit

Hi! I saw your question on Billinghurst's talk page about the licensing issue. Here's what I think about the situation: Commons policy does indeed require a work to be freely licensed in both the country of origin and the country where the uploader resides, in addition to the United States where their servers are located. That said, I don't think that part of the policy is very strictly enforced. (Think about it: Commons doesn't even require users to disclose which country they are from, does it?) Nor do I think that it would be problematic in any way for you to upload the music to Have a Heart, as a derivative work of a composition that's in the public domain in the US to a server that's located in the US. So yeah, I guess by a strict interpretation you wouldn't be allowed to upload the music to Have a Heart, but if that strict interpretation is enforced then I guess my upload of the original file should be deleted as well, and possibly reuploaded by an American user. What would be the point of that, though? :) So my view is that this falls under Avoid copyright paranoia. Just my opinion, of course. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 22:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, just disregard everything I just said. According to this, as an EU country the UK applies the rule of the shorter term to non-EU works, which means that if the work is out of copyright in the source country, it's also out of copyright in the UK. The applicable directive can be seen here (art. 7(1)). Hope this helps. Jafeluv (talk) 13:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
So if a work is licensed with PD-1923 or PD-US and the author died with PD-70 or more then it is in the public domain in the UK? (Of course taking into account the rule of perpetual copyright). So then this work is in the public domain in the UK and I can upload the images? If so, I will probably license the images with PD-old.

Fanfare ...Edit

Just finished the validation of Index:Villette.djvu. It would be great if you would add the main namespace Villette to {{new texts}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:36, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

oh, and I should have asked for a suitable edit summary. It is a monitored page due to its front page profile, and we do like to now what is being added. Thx. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
...Let the trumpets begin! Thanks for validating the rest of the text. I've just finished adding the rest of the chapter titles in the header in the mainspace and am ready to move on to the next item on my "to-do list"; which is...{played drum roll} Chartism and Index:Chartism.djvu. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 09:58, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Little requestEdit

Notice modeled after [1]

As Template:New texts is monitored in IRC, and many users have it in their Watchlists, I was wondering whether you would consider adding the name of the text being added to the edit summary, rather than solely +1,-1. Even if it is just have +Name of work, -1 that would be most helpful. Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 04:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Best of luckEdit

All the best with the brain stressors.
billinghurst sDrewth
Thank you so much Billinghurst. I've been revising, and I can't wait to get the exams over with: I'll be stress free. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 08:02, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Favour to validate ...Edit

the last one in the work at Page:Economic Development in Denmark Before and During the World War.djvu/15, if you have the time. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

  Done --Angelprincess72 (talk) 11:30, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

end of paragraphEdit

The current practice is preserve the line after the end of a paragraph with {{nop}}, so adding

some text, some text, some text, end of paragraph.

to the Page: will do the same trick that {{Blankline}} does on the next page. Using this is 'cheaper', less confusing, and perhaps more logical. Regards, Cygnis insignis (talk) 18:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

index linkEdit

Re: this edit, it is preferable to link the page numbers in the index to the pages in main-space, eg. "Baye du Cap, 305" will be linked as The Life of Captain Matthew Flinders, R.N./Chapter 20#305. There is a script to do this if you are interested. As a rule of thumb: we don't link the Page: namespace in the text that appears in mainspace. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Editing ToolbarEdit

When I edit in the Page namespace, the edit buttons that were in my monobook don't appear. It only shows the basic buttons. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 08:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I have moved your monobook.js file over to User:Angelprincess72/vector.js which contained the extra buttons, and that may work, though it may just be problematic, as toolbars are one of the changes. Let me know here so I can explore further if necessary. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
It's still not working. The extra buttons are not showing. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 12:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
Did you first purge your cached files, ie. CTRL-F5 ? If you did and still not working then I am going to have to do some research (for something that I had been ostriching) to see how we do it for vector skin. Can I suggest rolling back to monobook skin until we have got this sorted out, and note that you will need to move User:Angelprincess72/vector.js back to User:Angelprincess72/monobook.js, and again purge the cache to reload the javascript functions. As it will soon be the default skin, we do need to update the toolbars stuff. :-/ — billinghurst sDrewth 13:40, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I've moved the page, and purged the files many times, but it still does not work.--Angelprincess72 (talk) 17:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
The data on how-to is at http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Toolbar_customization, though it is not written in English, well not English that humans speak. I have yet to have the patience to sit down and to do it. I would think that it is a good question for the community at WS:S. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:22, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Formatting contentsEdit

I'm not sure how to add the extra "Parts" after the chapter titles on this page and the next. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 12:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Nested table in the middle column seems the easiest. Also to note that I did some other things like 1) removed individual formatting and applied to table as a whole, more to show you how to be lazy like me, not that it was wrong; 2) for column width, if you define one, the other cells in column will adapt; 3) other bits. If that doesn't make sense then tell me. I only did one nestedtable, I hope that isn't a problem. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Grouse bookEdit

Thanks for helping me with the frontmatter of that grouse book. I've noticed that the frontispiece image you extracted is very small. Is this since you purposely chose this size, or since you couldn't find anything larger? If the latter, I think you can get a much better version to extract an image from from the "image" tab on Page:GrouseinHealthVol1.djvu/6, and probably an even better one from the Internet Archive page. —innotata 16:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


Question answered. A big THANKS for working on and finishing off Flinders, I got distracted when it came to the fiddly work. :-/ — billinghurst sDrewth 01:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I really enjoyed working on the book and adding images. It was fun. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 07:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
I have been slowly (re)teaching myself some of the graphics software, as I was working on Highways and Byways of Sussex at the same time. Which makes me grin when I think the part of my family that emigrated from that area of England to come Oz, and your family worked to get to England. Yet I was focusing on the book of the old country rather than about the discovery of mine. Funny about time and place. <shrug>— billinghurst sDrewth 07:15, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
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Page:Elizabethan People.djvu/17Edit

On this page, the word "Frontispiece" is in block capitals in the transcription but not in the original. Can this be fixed?--Longfellow (talk) 12:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the extra long delay. I've managed to fix the text. I removed the word "small caps" from the table layout and small capped each heading separately. That seemed to fix it. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


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Basics are there, we can fiddle with the finicky bits later. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Asking for musical note editing adviceEdit

Hi Angelprincess72. I am looking for some software tool/method to recreate the musical notes on the 11 pages STARTING HERE. I attempted to graphically enhance the first row of notes on that page, but THE RESULTS ARE VERY POOR. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction as to how to improve this? Thanks. - Ineuw (talk) 15:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Try recreating the notes in a musical notation software, then saving it in png and uploading it to Commons. I would recommend Lilypond or Musescore. That way the colour and notes would look sharper. If you have any trouble with that then either send me a message or I could recreate the notes for you. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 15:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the software links and your kind offer of help. - Ineuw (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm working on a musical notation template - a sample is here. Ineuw indicated you might be able to answer some questions about musical scores. Right now,I am wondering if I have placed the notes too close together. Also, should eighth-notes and other notes with flags take up more space because of the flags, or should I leave the same spacing for eighth and quarter notes? Thanks in advance. --Eliyak T·C 18:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Your sample looks really good. The space between the notes is fine. Flagged notes generally take up more space anyway than notes without flags. I think you should leave the same spacing for all flagged notes, (be they quavers or semiquavers), it will make the staff look more cleaner. However, in terms of the height of flagged notes, that will differ. Generally, the more flags the note has, the higher the note will be.--Angelprincess72 (talk) 10:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
I am thinking that for simplicity's sake it will be easiest to have all notes stake up the same space, whether they are flagged or not, and whether they are sharp/flat. I will let you know when I have an example ready.
Another question: On this page, the right column shows some of what I thought were half notes, but I see that some of them are stretched wider than the others, while some note heads are almost circular. Does this mean anything, or can it be ignored? --Eliyak T·C 02:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
After looking at a sharp and flat in my evenly spaced scheme, I have decided to widen the spacing for those notes. Flags would be (much) more difficult to adjust the spacing, so I hope they look OK. (The problem is that flagged and non-flagged notes will sometimes need to align vertically, and in that case I can only see how to add space on the left (pitch marks) or right (flags), not both.) Flags on downward stems will obviously not cause a problem, but those on upward stems may not look so good. I have placed what I believe will be the most egregious example at User:Eliyak/test (center 2 notes of top line). What do you think? You can play with the spacing if you like. Spacing for all regular (and flagged) notes is defined here. Spacing for pitched notes is defined here. Increasing the spacing will add space to the left of all notes of that type. --Eliyak T·C 04:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
I think your example looks really good, and the spacing looks fine too.

A Study of Mexico validationsEdit

Hi, and many thanks for the mass of page validations.:-)Ineuw 01:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply on Billinghurst's talk pageEdit

You'll find a reply to your image problem on Billinghurst's talk page. I hope that is the solutions you need. Ww2censor (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the image. I've uploaded the image onto Commons and added it on the index page. I've managed to greyscale the image and crop the caption and and the blank text space, but it's still not working. I have no idea how to remove the blank text space completely. Maybe you may know how? Thanks. --Angelprincess72 (talk) 17:25, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't really know what you want to achieve or why you need to remove the blank area but I see that you have significantly reduced the image size from what I made and converted it to gif thereby reducing the sharpness> I can provide the original tif I worked from, as that has the most information. Going from jpg to gif is not a good idea. The original tif images is here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8004587/Villa%20D%27Este%20Tivoli.tif Make all the crops and modifications to that file and then convert to your final format or tell me what you would like to do with it. Good luck. Ww2censor (talk) 18:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Through the Looking GlassEdit

Hi, I see you uploaded the djvu file to Commons for Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There. So, I thought I'd drop you a note to let you know that I've created the Index for it and done the first proofread. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Beeswaxcandle. I'll get straight through to validating it.--Angelprincess72 (talk) 07:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


For your reading when you are about. We have music notation!  billinghurst sDrewth 01:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


Blink. Blink. Hope that you are well. Good to see you, even if it is only a fleeting glance. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:19, 27 May 2018 (UTC)