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cf. WS:AN#Bureaucrat,

Any chance you'd be interested in being a `crat? Ideally we'd have three—for redundancy and to spread the load—and right now we're down to a single `crat who has very little time for the project. I'm hoping BD will pick up the ball, and if I could rope another gullible foolsolid community member into taking it on we'd be up three and Hesperian would have the option to resign without feeling guilty if they'd like to. --Xover (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I endorse this plea. BD2412 T 17:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just had a look at our current stats. 397 active users, 25 sysops, and 2 bureaucrats. I prefer the ratio of sysops to active users to be ca. 10–12. At the moment it's 16. Growing the number of sysops then means more bureaucrats are needed, so that the ratio is similar. I'm UTC+12; Hesperian is UTC+8; I don't know BD's time-zone (guessing between -5 and -8). If that's thought to be a sufficient time-spread, then I'll let my name go forward. If, however, it's decided we need coverage in other time-zones rather than mine, that's okay. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Having a nice 24/7 spread of `crats would be nice, but the reality is that both of our current `crats have either resigned (Mpaa) or indicated that they desire to do so and are mostly staying on out of a sense of duty to the community (Hesperian). If we get you and BD elected we'd be up to two (+ however long we can fairly hope that Hesperian stays on to share of their experience). In other words, right now I'm not so much concerned with the optimum upper limit or spread as by the absolute minimum number we need to be self-sufficient.
Or put another way: if the community wants more timezonely diversified `crats they can darn well go find and recruit them! :) --Xover (talk) 10:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, I don't disagree with that sentiment. I'm not averse to the proposal, but I won't be doing a self-nom. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm happy to do the nom'ing! :) --Xover (talk) 07:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Adding photos to Hokitika 1921Edit

I wonder if I could get some help with the index for Hokitika (1921). I scanned the photographic plates tipped in after page 8 and uploaded the new PDF, but now the pagination is all messed up, and I'm not sure how to fix it. BTW I've contacted Hokitika Museum to see if we can get higher quality scans of those photos for Commons; if now I'll just upload the bad scanned versions sans caption. Thanks! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 22:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Done. You also need to give consideration on how to transclude this text. Do you see it as a single document? Or as four articles contained within it? I would do the latter, but the transclusion is then a little more complicated to do. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for sorting that! I'll upload placeholder photos to Commons so we can complete the work, and add better scanned versions as we can source them.
I'd be inclined to keep the pamphlet as a single document. It was a conceived as a unit: the three other essays refer to each other and cross-reference, and two were written as supplements to the main Evans piece, presumably to make the whole thing substantial enough to sell as a fund-raising booklet (with the Haast material probably added as filler). So I think the work is best viewed as a single multi-chaptered publication with four authors. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Giantflightlessbirds: I've just realised that I didn't quite say what I meant about transcluding the pamphlet. I agree that it is a unit, but I was thinking about putting each of the articles on a subpage—akin to chapters of a work. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh I see! Yes, having them as "chapters" would absolutely make sense. Sorry, new to this. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Transcluded at Hokitika, N.Z. (and subpages). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]



In case it helps, I have checklists that I follow to ensure I don't miss a step: User:Hesperian/Notes/Admin closure.

Hesperian 01:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. I had a feeling I'd missed something, but couldn't think what it was—updating the dates in the table. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gadgetified old toolbar via enWPEdit

I have hacked what enWP have done to get the old toolbar together and gadgetified, and just stole their extra buttons. Can you indicate to me what you would like to see in enWS buttons, and I will look to put them in place. I still have my old code in my common.js, though they are not being picked up, though if it is you and me alone, then I am willing to make our favourites the globals in a complete vested interest approach. :-)

Now that I have it working, I will attune it for local general use, throw in some things that I want, and attend to your wishes. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have populated it with lots of the gumph that I use, still working on getting personal additions working, so those that are problems I can remove. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just turned the gadget on. A little odd to see it again after more than two years without one. The only buttons that I would use from the current set are: nowiki; add hyphenated word; insert a reference. From my common.js I miss the zoom buttons the most. Also, an OCR button would be useful. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh of course. <facepalm> They will be somewhere in the proofread scripts. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please block this user, they are being horribly annoying. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, I'm sorry to bother you. I don't know where to write, so I ask you. I would like to be Patrol. What should I do? I'm here regularly, and I'm diligent. Thanks for your help :) Lois131 (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Lois131: Thank you for the offer. To patrol effectively, you need to understand our policies, so spend some time reading through the links in the Welcome message on your Talk page. It's also helpful to be aware of the Speedy Delete reasons on WS:CSD. A brief summary of how to patrol and what to look for is on Help:Patrolling. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, I'm still reading and learning. And of course I'm editing and proofreading my favourite texts/books. And if I'm ready for patrolling, where do I write? What should I do? Thanks :) Lois131 (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is no special place other than looking at Recent Changes and seeing what comes up. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Undelete RequestEdit

Index:The complete works of Count Tolstoy (IA completeworksofc22tols).pdf was not a duplicate. Languageseeker (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I didn't notice the offset in the speedy request on this one. Restored and deleted 21 as the correct duplicate. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Line breaksEdit

Hi there,

I think when you were demonstrating editing for me you had a tool for removing line breaks – or did I imagine it? We're plodding along here in Hokitika, with a couple of works now transcluded and available in Overdrive to borrow. I've been clearing copyright on a couple of Google Books scans, and found most of our hit list of works already scanned and in IA or Hathi Trust, so have started moving them to Wikisource. We have one keen volunteer and a newbie, and another library interested in scanning works. So some progress is happening. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 03:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Is George Reeves Person. Long time abuser from Illinois area. Just another PITA that occasionally appears here, though typically user pages. You know the type that throw a spanner and we just shut down their haunts, they get bored and typically go away as we don't want to play with them, and they don't get their rocks off. <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 11:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Author:A. Maud MorelandEdit

Do you know anything more about the author than is on the author page or the front of the publication? Quick search doesn't show much evident for NZ, though quite probably restricting to NZ won't find much life information. Presuming that it is a female author, though not even a guarantee of that. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NC Uploads...Edit

I see you deleted a lot of these? Do you plan on filing DR at Commons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also - (Source site has an apparent NC clause. Shall I keep looking?)
Index:First Folio (West 150).pdf

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would suggest looking for other uploads from the relevant source as well. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no plans to do anything in respect to this matter. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some Account of New ZealandEdit

Hi there, the file update you made to Some Account of New Zealand has essentially broken the entire book. Have a look at any transcribed page after page 6 and you'll see the wrong transcriptions are now on the wrong pages. Additionally, one of the images in your new upload is much poorer quality, and the upload has the Google boiler page included. Can we revert to the previous file? Thanks, Supertrinko (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The fixes are still in progress. Currently waiting for a bot to move the later pages back by seven. Once that's done, the transclusions will be fixed. We never use images from the pdf itself, so I will update those as well. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perfect, thanks very much for letting me know :) You shouldn't need to update the images, I cropped and uploaded those as separate files. Supertrinko (talk) 03:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

poke confirmedEdit

Hi. Would you mind popping past Special:UserRights/SOyeyele_(WMF) and assigning confirmed rights. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Billinghurst: Uhm. Why? Sam has a grand total of one edit on enWS, and judging by their user page they are unlikely to make further edits beyond possibly a MassMessage or five. Certainly nothing that requires editing over autoconfirmed protection (which they'll get after 4 days / 10 edits anyway). This seems really arbitrary. Xover (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There was two, now three, regulars who thought otherwise. I think it appropriate to give a known wikimedia user the tick right off, one from the WMF seems an obvious exception to whatever protection autoconfirmed affords the site. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Xover: Special:Abuselog. It is only "confirmed", what is the issue? Not asking for the crown jewels, and I hardly do these things for the halibut. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Billinghurst: Oh, I see. With that context the +confirmed makes sense.
But the flip side is that to me the two relevant filters then look like they are excessively sensitive and apt to generate false positives like this one. I don't have the history that necessitated those filters with those particular (very low) threshold values, nor enough experience with the Abuse Filters facility, to be able to have a very firmly-founded opinion on it; but my takeway is that we might want to do some tuning of those to avoid false positives like this.
And there was no problem implied as such. It just didn't make sense with the available context, and I saw no request on-wiki that would explain it, so I wanted to figure out what the reasoning was. Worst case, as with now, I'd learn something. *shrug* Xover (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Xover: I modified one filter, and I left the other, as it is a rare event with a way out per this request. I look at output from filters one, two or three times a day, and tweak them as required to minimise FPs. Our filters are well-tended and those that dissuade or prevent action are minimal. I am always happy to explain my actions, and I cannot think that I would ask for any rights change for an arbitrary reason. I don't do arbitrary. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tool to remove the background of a drawing/sketch/illustrationEdit

Hi there,

Thanks for the useful presentation this past weekend at WikiCon. I think I missed this part of your Adam seems to remember a tool you talked about that removed the background of a drawing or sketch, possibly automatically. Would you be able to share what this might have been? Thanks. HughLilly (talk) 01:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@HughLilly: I use IrfanView. It's a free download for Windows or Linux. Unfortunately not available for MacOS. To pull up the Paint dialog, press F12. The tool is the Color Replacer [sic]. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Piano / sheet music-related questionEdit

Unrelated to Wikisource. May I email you? Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Of course. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question. Do the LilyPond transcriptions not have the sound files generated at the end of the scores anymore? Do I remember correctly that they used to? Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LilyPond got turned off in July last year and has only recently been allowed again. While it wasn't available any scores that had vorbis=1 in the opening tag caused documents to fail to render. So, we commented out most of the vorbis statements. Now, that it's working again, it is safe to reinstate them. You may find that some scores fail because of technical problems. Let me know and I'll see what can be done to fix them. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay. Thanks. I was just going to play around with a file (in preview mode only) sometime in the near future to see how something "translates", but it is for personal purposes only, so I don't want to bother anyone with it :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Index:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 26.djvuEdit

You plan to do the pageslist yourself? Thanks :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 06:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If two weeksEdit

Hi. Hope that you are well, and not overly hampered by A's restrictions. If there is a new measure for closing, would you be so kind to have that reflected in Wikisource:Restricted access policy. I don't have an issue with the time period, just wish to manage expectations. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"recent changes"Edit

First, thank you for explaining what you changed in the most recent move log. I looked at it and looked at it. Then again and some more. Now, I have a question. Is the little line that has a dedicated key on most english keyboards a dash or a hyphen? LaTeX thinks it is a minus sign, which is, lord knows, fine by me. Thank you for your time (and talk space)in settling my somewhat stupified state.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The key on the keyboard produces a hyphen. Technically a minus-sign is a different character, but the hyphen is generally used in general texts. There are two forms of dashes: the en-dash (–), used to separate ranges; and the em-dash (—), used to indicate a break in thought. It is our policy that page names only use a hyphen, even when an en-dash is correct, which is what I was adjusting, as I accidentally used the en-dash before and after the pipe, instead of after only. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you so much. My list of little lines that have meanings just went from 3 to 5 in number. And yes, there is a lot wrong with LaTeX, it is good that the <math /> space allows so many wrongs and such untidinesss. This "knowing" of the hyphen key, that you shared with me just now -- I feel greatly settled and gently amused by that in the Recent Changes. May you have such a good day (or night) for this as I am now!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Usage of Scans TemplateEdit

I see that you are reverting my usages of {{scan}} because "don't link to scans when they are fully validated" Is this a hard rule? My idea was to use scan to distinguish texts that are scan-backed from non-scan backed. Do you know where I can find the rules governing the usage of {{scan}} ?Languageseeker (talk) 03:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The backend arcana of Index: and Page: spaces should (mostly) be transparent to the normal reader. Putting a link to the Index: page on a work indicates that there is more to be done to complete it. Complete works don't need this. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Languageseeker: Also, all scan-backed pages automatically get a link to the relevant Index: page through the "Source" page tab at the top of the page. To the degree we have a need to technically differentiate further (which I am not necessarily convinced of) we need to look at other methods; and a principle for any template-based tagging would be that we tag the pages that are a "problem"—the non-scan-backed ones—and not the ones that are actually up to current standards. Xover (talk) 09:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Xover: Ok, I see that the ultimate goal is to present clean links on pages. However, I think that it's also helpful to easily visually distinguish scan-backed texts from non-scanned-backed texts. Would either of you support adding a template to tag non-scanned backed version, say with perhaps this icon  . Maybe call it, {{noscan}}? Languageseeker (talk) 12:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Once idea I had is to use the wikidata not proofread / proofread / validated icons (we could even pull them from wikidata). MarkLSteadman (talk) 15:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That might not be a bad idea and save quite a bit of time. It would be nice to be able to look ahead at the link on the Author/Portal/Version ns and see if it is from a transcluded text and, if so, the status of the entire Index, and then automatically add an icon. Languageseeker (talk) 03:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Definitely NOT on the Author pages. Keep them as simple as possible: do we host such and such a work? That's all they're meant to indicate. The mainspace is where the indication of status lives. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FYI, I find that scan image confusing now that we also have "Ready for Export" (i.e. that book implies good for e-book rather than having scans), but that is another whole topic... MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

scores and stupid usersEdit

I did. I found at least two songbooks and uploaded them here and added the needs score template.

I tried to proof the words, but I did not and still do not know what form would be best for the software and and person applying the software to the words would be.

It is easier for me to believe that a person would be not musical, yet interested in music than a person being interested in math but not mathy. The subjects are similar, very similar from what little I know of music and its notation, but they don't map onto the world and its inhabitant the same way.

And further, I have an aversion to GUILE, Lisp and my first online experience with scripting language howtos was something like "Script-fu in one Unfun". I was going to install lilypond and when I saw it required guile, I considered removing my eyeballs so they could roll in a bigger circle. I used to think it was the curly brackets, but I am here and templates require three on each side, so it isn't that. Maybe it is a learned bias, although, some of my snobberies are there to keep me from doing too much.

So, this is a rant, and it is mostly about how undeserving of ranting I am. 55 needs math templates and the person isn't proofing the pages, just smacking the template on them. But I can't rant because I basically did that also.

The image software has a script-fu server running at all times. I remember a kindly person hinting about the file chooser also.

So, no need to reply, I am unloading, in an I'm sorry sort of way.

And in other conversations says that &hyphen == &dash and I say that I appreciate that you use hyphen as its name since there is a whole dash family. I downloaded that page and sent it to my ereader and none of it displayed. None!!!

Thank you for your time and participation in this sad, sorry sorry sorry rant.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Thank you for your help with formatting at Index:The_English_Dancing_Master-John_Playford-1651.pdf. I'm still pretty inexperienced here and your fixes let me figure out what to do. I've copied your formatting methods on subsequent pages of the TOC; you saved me a lot of trial and error. HLHJ (talk) 03:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help with formattingEdit

Hi Beeswaxcandle. I need help here:,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487

I have played around with the spacing in the last section but can't get it right. I don't understand coding and just copy what others have done, but that means there's a lot I'm doing wrong. I'd like to align the page numbers so they are right-justified.

I see that you have done this page, so you know how to do this:

Would you please do enough lines so I can then copy what you've done and finish it? -- Valjean (talk) 17:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Valjean: Like you, I've learnt from copying what others have done. This is best done as a table. I've done the first page completely and started the second. As I don't know what the names of the pages will be when they're transcluded, I haven't done any links. If you have any questions about why I done particular things, please drop me a note here. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:34, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wow! That looks great. Thanks so much. I notice there are three errors (pp. 24, 25, pp. 39, 40, and p. 61 got lost). -- Valjean (talk) 19:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The narrow width of the side by side view means that content longer than the word "Page" at the head of the column gets squished. However, when transcluded at full width of screen (or viewed in preview), everything will look fine. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see what you mean, but that means that it looks wrong at 100% but right at 90%. The lost p. 61 is still a problem. -- Valjean (talk) 20:03, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On this page,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/488

It doesn't look right until I'm down to 50%. There's got to be a way for it to look right at 100%. -- Valjean (talk) 20:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, I've forced the width of the last column on that page by setting a dummy row in the header. When it gets to pairs of three digits, we'll need to look at that again and make sure it's still the correct width. wrt the "61" at the bottom of /487, that's a binder's mark indicating that fascicle 61 starts here. It's part of how books used to be produced and makes sure that all the sections are in the right order. As such it's irrelevant to producing books on the web, and by policy we omit all of these. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That fixed it. I think there are several pages with those fascicle numbers. I'll find and remove them. -- Valjean (talk) 20:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tried forcing the width of the last column on this page,_on_the_new_Constitution.djvu/487

but it still only looks right at 90%. -- Valjean (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Because /487 is the first page of the table, we need to set the parameters when initiating it. These will carry through to all the pages after transcluding. The later pages just need to look okay in the Page: namespace, which is why the parameters are set in the header field. I've tweaked it, see how it works for you now. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:08, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So that info in the header field doesn't need to be repeated on each page? -- Valjean (talk) 21:11, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Technically, no it's not needed, but I recommend you do as it helps you see when a line is out of whack. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Another issue... I think there's too much space between the heading (INDEX) and the body here. I'm not sure how to fix that. -- Valjean (talk) 16:46, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is something that will sort itself out when transclusion happens. What you're seeing is the empty table row from the header box. In most tables of contents that I've dealt with there is a repeated word "Pages" at the top of every page that fills in that gap and makes it less obvious. This one is the exception. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The "page" word is only used once, on the first Index page. Shouldn't we fix this on all the next pages? There's too big of a gap. I'm hesitant to proceed further until this is resolved. -- Valjean (talk) 18:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've transcluded the three pages done so far to User:Beeswaxcandle/Sandbox. As you can see there is no gap at the page changes. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That looks quite different than the individual pages we edit. So what is it that readers will see? Will they read it as the individual pages we edit or as a long transcluded version? If it's the transcluded version, then we're wasting editing effort on headers and footers since they won't show in the transcluded version. Help me understand this. -- Valjean (talk) 02:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have tried your transclusion trick here: User:Valjean/The Federalist, but it lacks the small links on the left side. Why is that? -- Valjean (talk) 02:29, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Now I've tried it on a Sandbox page, and it works. Weird. User:Valjean/Sandbox -- Valjean (talk) 02:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The page links only show in particular namespaces. The arcana of which I leave to the tech-nerds. The readers of the work in the mainspace will see the long transcluded version. Anyone who clicks on the small page links in the left margin will see the page as it is in the Page: namespace. The reason for doing the headers/footers in the Page: namespace is as an aid to navigation. Other editors here go to great lengths to match them exactly. My personal view is to replicate the content in an approximate form. However, I've found that battles are reduced if I strike a middle ground. However, there are some things, like table tags and some templates that must be in the header/footer fields to allow for correct representation in the mainspace. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Editing my user pageEdit

Do you have any idea why I can't edit my user page? It seems to be transcluded and what should be the edit tab says this: "view on". Clicking that tab does take me here. -- Valjean (talk) 02:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

wrt to editing your user page: It looks like you've set up a global user page at some time. I don't remember where the settings for this live. Probably on meta. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I'll check my preferences there. -- Valjean (talk) 03:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baby steps in WikisourceEdit

You've kindly suggested as I'm new to enWS that a small proofreading or validation task would be good as a first step. My interests include: NZ Women (biographies and other material esp in relation to suffrage),Children's literature, NZ law. Thanks Noracrentiss (talk) 08:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Noracrentiss: A validation task that would be useful is to go through some of the laws listed at Portal:Royal Society of New Zealand. Validation is being a second pair of eyes on the text. Did the proofreader (me) get all the spellings and punctuation correct? There's no need to worry about the layout for these, as that's already dealt with. To get to the scans to verify against, click on the "Source" button along the top above the page header. That will take you to the Index: page. From there you can click on any yellow page in the pagelist and then verify the text side-by-side with the scan. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Beeswaxcandle: I have reviewed the Royal Society of New Zealand Act and "Validated" all but 4 pages where I corrected some minor typos. I left these pages as unvalidated as I assume someone will need to check that my corrections are in fact correct. I forgot to put a note about what I had changed on the first page but think I remembered to do it on the other 3 pages. I wasn't sure if this is the correct procedure. so will hold off doing any more validation until I get confirmation (or otherwise) about whether or not I'm on the right track. (And as an aside, my reason for choosing this particular Act to do first is that when I worked for MORST (MBIE's predecessor), I was involved in "shepherding" this actual Act through Parliament. )
@Noracrentiss: It's fine to mark corrected pages as Validated—particularly if the corrections are minor. It's only when I've had to make major changes, like a complete re-do that I leave it as Proofread. Your aside is a big part of what makes doing this stuff so interesting. I'm working on tracking down some material on NZ suffrage. I was hoping to find some materials via Eliza & the White Camellia that was published for the 125th anniversary of 1893, (Eliza was my great-great-grandmother.) but there's no bibliography. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:19, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the autopatroller rightsEdit

Thanks for the change to my rights! I've been dabbling for awhile and still having fun. Have an easy day! The Eloquent Peasant.

The Lady of the CamelliasEdit

Hi, you leaved me a note about The Lady of the Camellias requesting chapter split, soo I did, I would also like to know how I could reduce the text width like for example in the French version: ? Thanks.

@BluePrawn: My preference is to allow readers to select their desired layout rather than force it on them, so I am not the one to ask how to force it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can understand your point of view, it's true that different people can have different taste, but it's not true that if someone prefer the other layout he/she can get it, there's no css switcher on wikisource to select different layout, the maximum someone can do is reduce the browser window width, and then the text will still stay very close to the left menu which is disturbing to read the content, and the text will not be justified. Most people probably prefer justified text in books, because I've never seen even a single book where the text is not justified. I also think that we have several centuries of experience about how to make a good layout for novel books, they almost always have about something similar because this is what is the easier to read for everyone ; if really a lot of reader would like different layout for books we would find in book shops a lot of different kind of book presentation. But I still share your opinion about not force a presentation, in the example I gave the width of the text is expressed in fixed pixel in the css instead of percentage of the window, which is personally what I prefer, but for the one I helped on the English wikisource it would still be nice to add some padding on the left and right which would not force anything while the reader will still be able to resize his window to change the width of the text. Anyway it's only a small detail and a minor issue, still thanks for your answer :)

West Coast Task ForceEdit

The West Coast Task Force project page is growing, as we now have a paid person at Grey District Library scanning regularly, and have received a little grant money. Lots more works being added to Wikisource over the next few months. Thank you for all your support of the project, and feel free to formally add yourself to the team if you'd like to contribute regularly. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

{{ls}} doesn't work properly with {{hws}}Edit

Hi, a page I've transcribed has hyphenated word that contains "ſ" (diſ-cover’d). I've tried to use the {{ls}} template with the {{hws}}, but it breaks the span title because it itself cannot contain spans. Is there any way around this issue? Alnaling (talk) 20:01, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can pass something in the "title" parameter (e.g. discover'd) to populate the tool tip. MarkLSteadman (talk) 20:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Alnaling (talk) 08:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated - Draft Strategy 2022-2025 Feedback RoundEdit

Kia ora,

The Committee of Wikimedia Aotearoa New Zealand Incorporated have developed a draft strategy for 2022 -2025. Feedback from members of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand that are New Zealanders or residents of Pacific islands without an established chapter is encouraged. The draft strategy can be read and commented on at this Google docs link  or in the discussion page of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand by adding a New Topic.  The feedback round closes at midnight Sunday 9 October 2022. Einebillion (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Greek in Matthew HenryEdit

Mystified as to the purpose of your change and comment, though it's not particularly a problem. The Greek is part of the quotation from the Bible. Quotations from the Bible (and from other books) are what is italicized in Matthew Henry. The Greek letters are slanted in the page image. Therefore I don't see a problem with them being italicized. This is what I've done before on other pages. Matthew Henry frequently has bilingual quotations - e.g. a Latin and its English equivalent, both in italics. PeterR2 (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Standard print convention is that words and phrases that are normally italicised are put into roman if they occur in an italicised section of text. i.e. they're always the opposite of the surrounding text. This was the intent of my comment. However, here at enWS we don't normally italicise Greek anyway. Instead we use the marking templates. These both mark the text as being in the language and use a special Greek font that is more readable than the Greek letters in the standard fonts. Italicising characters that are not standard Roman glyphs doesn't really make sense. The purpose of italicising is to provide emphasis. The fact that a different alphabet is being used is already emphasis enough. In Henry's work, the Greek just looks italicised because that's the nature of the font the publisher has used. There are similar issues in Cyrillic and Hebrew (and Indic) texts. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Submission Result - Wikisource - ESEAP 2022: ReconnectEdit

Dear Beeswaxcandle,

My name is Ghozi. I’m co-ordinator of Program Committee for ESEAP 2022: Reconnect.

Thank you for submitting a proposal for the conference. Program Committee decided to accept your proposal for the program .

We have placed you in the Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource. Please find the details regarding your session below.

1) Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource (60 mins)

Moderator - TBC

- Opening - (5 mins)

- Beeswaxcandle (40 mins)

- QA - (10 mins)

- Closing - (5 mins)

Please let us know if you’re okay with this arrangement. After we got your confirmation, we may need your email and CC you in a new thread with everyone involved in this session, so everyone can discuss the session more.

Thank you, stay healhty and have a good day.

Best regards,

Ghozi Septiandri

On behalf of the Program Committee

ESEAP 2022: Reconnect GhoziSeptiandri (talk) 14:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello Beeswaxcandle,
I saw your name in the list of participants :)
Let me know which media/medium you are comfortable talking more about your session.
Ghozi GhoziSeptiandri (talk) 22:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Ghozi, Timing looks to be fine, although a QA session seems to be superfluous in an active workshop setting and I expect to be answering questions throughout. What do you need from me in terms of "discussion" of the session? The only two venues to contact me are on this talk page or via the email this user function. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello Beeswaxcandle,
No need to worry about the QA part. This details above is a draft. We will build the session based on what you need. You can add more speakers if someone reaches you after the submission to join the panel. There're a lot of new names related to Wikisource from the list of participant, we can send an invitation to join this panel.
After the official announce tomorrow, we plan to have a chat together (organizer, moderator and speaker/s) next week. We can do that here :) if you want. GhoziSeptiandri (talk) 02:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome to Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource! - ESEAP 2022: ReconnectEdit

Welcome to Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource!

Thanks for your passion, effort, and support to build the program for the ESEAP 2022: Reconnect. Please see the updated draft for this session below.

Workshop Tech and Platform: Wikisource
Moderator: Satdeep Gill (WMF)
- Opening (5 mins)
- Beeswaxcandle (NZL) (40 mins) (from submission)
- QA (10 mins)
- Closing (5 mins)

1) If you have a presentation file please send the file here. Or you can upload it into commons and send the link here before 15 November 2022.
2) We will ask participant to not take any picture for privacy policy.
3) Please write your short bio for the moderator to introduce the speaker.
4) You may want to wear something iconic from your origin country such as a national costume or trademark (flag, toy, flower, animal, etc) at the Friday Night Social Event.
5) This session is not streamed.

Feel free to let us know if you have any questions regarding the program. See you in Sydney next week :)

Thanks again and have a good day.

Best regards, Ghozi Septiandri On behalf of the Program Committee ESEAP 2022: Reconnect GhoziSeptiandri (talk) 17:50, 10 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proper TOC formatting in 'Outdoor Girls in Florida'Edit

Hi, I fail to see how converting the incorrectly formatted contents pages into correct TOC format, with accurate layout and formatting constitutes 'uglification'. Chrisguise (talk) 09:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not "incorrectly formatted". It's a simple, elegant table. It is not required to reproduce dot-leaders here—particularly where the page number is not the link. The dot-leader templates are problematic in their implementation and I ceased using them in late March 2013. Additionally, dot-leaders have neither a practical nor an ornamental function in an e-presentation of a book. We are not confined to the printed page here and far too much time is spend by some editors in attempting to reproduce the artefacts of the printers' workarounds to make things fit within the boundaries of a piece of paper, or to look good on that same size of paper. Does it look good on a small phone screen and on a 15″ laptop screen? If so, that's all we need to do. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

yet another music bookEdit

This book is stalled at pg. I have been wanting to ask you to consider doing it, well, since I learned that you are the goto person for this. It is not the usual song book, it is bird song put to notes: File:Field book of wild birds and their music (IA fieldbookofwildb00math).pdf.

Probably you know this, but a word of warning is due. Birds that vocalize are called "song birds". So this is not just a book of beautiful tweets and shrills. For example, my favorite when I saw it because even without knowing how to read music, I knew it to be true is the Flicker, pg 23/79

Also, while flipping around for that, I noticed what is probably a very dorky song about a cuckoo and a cherry tree, but most of it is bird song!

When I found this, it was my first hands-on with half-tone images. I have recovered from the indignation and the appalled and can dig out what I did or redo them (the plates). Also, I will proof them and not put indentations in it and I might be able to get some help to proof it (which will be better than me, for sure!) -- however much or little you would like me to do, you being the resident artist and me being the fan and the wanna be and wanna have and the music illiterate.

I really did not want to bother you, I know you have a backlog of your own projects and probably those for others as well, but recent encouragement has come my way that perhaps you are bored and maybe will be open to this new book. Ever hopefully--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I know I have a similar project for NZ bird song coming my way, which I would prefer to work on as a proof of concept before tackling something the size of this work. I'm also trying to clean off some of my long outstanding projects before getting involved in some new ones. Let's see how the NZ one goes before we jump into this one. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Let me know when the NZ book is here and ready to go!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Table formatting helpEdit

I have attempted to reproduce the tables for the vocab on Page:Fairytales•Tregear•1891.pdf/10, but they are obviously short of the mark. When you have a moment, would you please sort them out on that page? Then I will be able to use that formatting at the end of each chapter where the vocab tables appear. Oronsay (talk) 01:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Oronsay: I've done what I do with these. What I've done in each column is find the widest word and then put a {{gap}} at the end of it to force the next column to start across a bit more. For the definitions, I've just set as a single column rather than messing around with balancing, which means we don't need to worry about the centre line. Because the font is smaller on the printed page, I've also reduced it to 92%—which is a distinguishable size without getting too small for the general reader. The next standard size down is 83% (or smaller), but I don't think we need to do that in this book. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:48, 27 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you so much. I will be able to work through the pages that I've already done and update with this formatting advice. Takes me back to typing school in the 1970s where we had to count the longest word in each column and then work out the tabs to set. Oronsay (talk) 01:54, 27 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How so are these “multiples”? They are separate works, which I finished at around the same time. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:11, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The point of the New Texts template is to showcase on the Main page the variety of works that we host and are actively working on. When the same title appears four times, in this case, as a block it diminishes that purpose. It also has the effect of pushing works off the Main page even more quickly than already happens. Additionally, two of the works had the same author, which is listed in the instructions as something to never have in the active part template at the same time. The four works looked like a series, so I chose the oldest one to remain active. I would also add that, if I hadn't adjusted the list, one of the others would have. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand InstituteEdit

I think I found the full name of E P Dumerque (I believe he was Edward Perry Dumerque) who was a contributor to the Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand Institute. I left a message on the name's Discussion page with some possible linking sources. It's not 100% certain that this is the same person and I wasn't quite sure what I should do with my contention that this is the full name. Can you advise? Thanks very much Noracrentiss (talk) 06:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Papers Past contact for TransactionsEdit

Kia ora, I let Emerson at Papers Past know about the project and he reckons there's opportunity to help each other. If you're interested message me an email address and I'll put you in touch! Avocadobabygirl (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:New textsEdit

Hi, Why did you revert me there? This work was never included in new works. Thanks, Yann (talk) 11:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New texts is for texts that are new, i.e. recently completed. That work was completed in July 2019, which is not new. I was initially alerted by the Handel work, which I knew I had worked on many years ago as part of PotM. Some editors choose not to put their completed works in the new texts area—and that's okay—it's not intended to be a complete catalogue. That's covered by Category:Index Validated. If you want the works to be in the new texts list, then they should be interpolated into the appropriate month in the archives. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:25, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I consider that the omission to include a pity. I don’t see any issue with inserting a work in "New Texts" which was never inserted before, even if it wasn't completed right now. Yann (talk) 12:19, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for your Welcome. I am active in it.Wikisource. Here I'll help this University Project. --Susanna Giaccai (talk) 18:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

link to Wikipedia and WikidataEdit

Can you please tell me how to make link to wikidata ad to Wikipedia. In fr:wikisource {{Hwp|Basilique Santa Maria Novella|Santa Maria Novella}} and to Wikidata {{Annotation QID|Q3606185|fresques de la Scala}}, Thanks Susanna Giaccai (talk) 15:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transactions and Proceedings of the New Zealand InstituteEdit

Hello, you have modified pages 584 and 585. Without section this page has no more content. M-le-mot-dit (talk) 14:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorted by deleting for the time being. Incorrectly named as there were multiple meetings of the various societies that make up the Institute. Once the Wellington Philosophical Society subpage of Volume 40 is created after proofreading all the pages of it, then it (and the next article) will have their place. Also, it is incorrect to apply a license template to subpages where it is not different to the parent page. CC-by doesn't apply to pre-1927 works. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, that's consistent. A new article will be created when more pages are proofread. M-le-mot-dit (talk) 10:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NZ Authors. ..Edit

Was this of interest: - It's a Biographical directory for prominent people from New Zealand? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, but I've been using it for several years to work out who some of the Authors in the Transactions are. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]