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cf. WS:AN#Bureaucrat,

Any chance you'd be interested in being a `crat? Ideally we'd have three—for redundancy and to spread the load—and right now we're down to a single `crat who has very little time for the project. I'm hoping BD will pick up the ball, and if I could rope another gullible foolsolid community member into taking it on we'd be up three and Hesperian would have the option to resign without feeling guilty if they'd like to. --Xover (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[]

I endorse this plea. BD2412 T 17:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[]
Just had a look at our current stats. 397 active users, 25 sysops, and 2 bureaucrats. I prefer the ratio of sysops to active users to be ca. 10–12. At the moment it's 16. Growing the number of sysops then means more bureaucrats are needed, so that the ratio is similar. I'm UTC+12; Hesperian is UTC+8; I don't know BD's time-zone (guessing between -5 and -8). If that's thought to be a sufficient time-spread, then I'll let my name go forward. If, however, it's decided we need coverage in other time-zones rather than mine, that's okay. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[]
Having a nice 24/7 spread of `crats would be nice, but the reality is that both of our current `crats have either resigned (Mpaa) or indicated that they desire to do so and are mostly staying on out of a sense of duty to the community (Hesperian). If we get you and BD elected we'd be up to two (+ however long we can fairly hope that Hesperian stays on to share of their experience). In other words, right now I'm not so much concerned with the optimum upper limit or spread as by the absolute minimum number we need to be self-sufficient.
Or put another way: if the community wants more timezonely diversified `crats they can darn well go find and recruit them! :) --Xover (talk) 10:06, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh, I don't disagree with that sentiment. I'm not averse to the proposal, but I won't be doing a self-nom. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm happy to do the nom'ing! :) --Xover (talk) 07:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[]

Adding photos to Hokitika 1921Edit

I wonder if I could get some help with the index for Hokitika (1921). I scanned the photographic plates tipped in after page 8 and uploaded the new PDF, but now the pagination is all messed up, and I'm not sure how to fix it. BTW I've contacted Hokitika Museum to see if we can get higher quality scans of those photos for Commons; if now I'll just upload the bad scanned versions sans caption. Thanks! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 22:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[]

  Done . You also need to give consideration on how to transclude this text. Do you see it as a single document? Or as four articles contained within it? I would do the latter, but the transclusion is then a little more complicated to do. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks for sorting that! I'll upload placeholder photos to Commons so we can complete the work, and add better scanned versions as we can source them.
I'd be inclined to keep the pamphlet as a single document. It was a conceived as a unit: the three other essays refer to each other and cross-reference, and two were written as supplements to the main Evans piece, presumably to make the whole thing substantial enough to sell as a fund-raising booklet (with the Haast material probably added as filler). So I think the work is best viewed as a single multi-chaptered publication with four authors. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[]
@Giantflightlessbirds: I've just realised that I didn't quite say what I meant about transcluding the pamphlet. I agree that it is a unit, but I was thinking about putting each of the articles on a subpage—akin to chapters of a work. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:09, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh I see! Yes, having them as "chapters" would absolutely make sense. Sorry, new to this. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[]
Transcluded at Hokitika, N.Z. (and subpages). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[]



In case it helps, I have checklists that I follow to ensure I don't miss a step: User:Hesperian/Notes/Admin closure.

Hesperian 01:57, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[]

Thanks. I had a feeling I'd missed something, but couldn't think what it was—updating the dates in the table. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:52, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[]

Gadgetified old toolbar via enWPEdit

I have hacked what enWP have done to get the old toolbar together and gadgetified, and just stole their extra buttons. Can you indicate to me what you would like to see in enWS buttons, and I will look to put them in place. I still have my old code in my common.js, though they are not being picked up, though if it is you and me alone, then I am willing to make our favourites the globals in a complete vested interest approach. :-)

Now that I have it working, I will attune it for local general use, throw in some things that I want, and attend to your wishes. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[]

I have populated it with lots of the gumph that I use, still working on getting personal additions working, so those that are problems I can remove. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[]
Just turned the gadget on. A little odd to see it again after more than two years without one. The only buttons that I would use from the current set are: nowiki; add hyphenated word; insert a reference. From my common.js I miss the zoom buttons the most. Also, an OCR button would be useful. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh of course. <facepalm> They will be somewhere in the proofread scripts. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:20, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[]


Please block this user, they are being horribly annoying. PseudoSkull (talk) 17:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[]


Hello, I'm sorry to bother you. I don't know where to write, so I ask you. I would like to be Patrol. What should I do? I'm here regularly, and I'm diligent. Thanks for your help :) Lois131 (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[]

@Lois131: Thank you for the offer. To patrol effectively, you need to understand our policies, so spend some time reading through the links in the Welcome message on your Talk page. It's also helpful to be aware of the Speedy Delete reasons on WS:CSD. A brief summary of how to patrol and what to look for is on Help:Patrolling. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:03, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you, I'm still reading and learning. And of course I'm editing and proofreading my favourite texts/books. And if I'm ready for patrolling, where do I write? What should I do? Thanks :) Lois131 (talk) 08:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[]
There is no special place other than looking at Recent Changes and seeing what comes up. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[]

Undelete RequestEdit

Index:The complete works of Count Tolstoy (IA completeworksofc22tols).pdf was not a duplicate. Languageseeker (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[]

I didn't notice the offset in the speedy request on this one. Restored and deleted 21 as the correct duplicate. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[]

Line breaksEdit

Hi there,

I think when you were demonstrating editing for me you had a tool for removing line breaks – or did I imagine it? We're plodding along here in Hokitika, with a couple of works now transcluded and available in Overdrive to borrow. I've been clearing copyright on a couple of Google Books scans, and found most of our hit list of works already scanned and in IA or Hathi Trust, so have started moving them to Wikisource. We have one keen volunteer and a newbie, and another library interested in scanning works. So some progress is happening. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 03:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[]


Is George Reeves Person. Long time abuser from Illinois area. Just another PITA that occasionally appears here, though typically user pages. You know the type that throw a spanner and we just shut down their haunts, they get bored and typically go away as we don't want to play with them, and they don't get their rocks off. <shrug> — billinghurst sDrewth 11:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Author:A. Maud MorelandEdit

Do you know anything more about the author than is on the author page or the front of the publication? Quick search doesn't show much evident for NZ, though quite probably restricting to NZ won't find much life information. Presuming that it is a female author, though not even a guarantee of that. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[]

NC Uploads...Edit

I see you deleted a lot of these? Do you plan on filing DR at Commons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Also - (Source site has an apparent NC clause. Shall I keep looking?)
Index:First Folio (West 150).pdf

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]

I would suggest looking for other uploads from the relevant source as well. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I have no plans to do anything in respect to this matter. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Some Account of New ZealandEdit

Hi there, the file update you made to Some Account of New Zealand has essentially broken the entire book. Have a look at any transcribed page after page 6 and you'll see the wrong transcriptions are now on the wrong pages. Additionally, one of the images in your new upload is much poorer quality, and the upload has the Google boiler page included. Can we revert to the previous file? Thanks, Supertrinko (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]

The fixes are still in progress. Currently waiting for a bot to move the later pages back by seven. Once that's done, the transclusions will be fixed. We never use images from the pdf itself, so I will update those as well. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Perfect, thanks very much for letting me know :) You shouldn't need to update the images, I cropped and uploaded those as separate files. Supertrinko (talk) 03:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[]

poke confirmedEdit

Hi. Would you mind popping past Special:UserRights/SOyeyele_(WMF) and assigning confirmed rights. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:40, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[]

@Billinghurst: Uhm. Why? Sam has a grand total of one edit on enWS, and judging by their user page they are unlikely to make further edits beyond possibly a MassMessage or five. Certainly nothing that requires editing over autoconfirmed protection (which they'll get after 4 days / 10 edits anyway). This seems really arbitrary. Xover (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[]
There was two, now three, regulars who thought otherwise. I think it appropriate to give a known wikimedia user the tick right off, one from the WMF seems an obvious exception to whatever protection autoconfirmed affords the site. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:45, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xover: Special:Abuselog. It is only "confirmed", what is the issue? Not asking for the crown jewels, and I hardly do these things for the halibut. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[]
@Billinghurst: Oh, I see. With that context the +confirmed makes sense.
But the flip side is that to me the two relevant filters then look like they are excessively sensitive and apt to generate false positives like this one. I don't have the history that necessitated those filters with those particular (very low) threshold values, nor enough experience with the Abuse Filters facility, to be able to have a very firmly-founded opinion on it; but my takeway is that we might want to do some tuning of those to avoid false positives like this.
And there was no problem implied as such. It just didn't make sense with the available context, and I saw no request on-wiki that would explain it, so I wanted to figure out what the reasoning was. Worst case, as with now, I'd learn something. *shrug* Xover (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xover: I modified one filter, and I left the other, as it is a rare event with a way out per this request. I look at output from filters one, two or three times a day, and tweak them as required to minimise FPs. Our filters are well-tended and those that dissuade or prevent action are minimal. I am always happy to explain my actions, and I cannot think that I would ask for any rights change for an arbitrary reason. I don't do arbitrary. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Tool to remove the background of a drawing/sketch/illustrationEdit

Hi there,

Thanks for the useful presentation this past weekend at WikiCon. I think I missed this part of your Adam seems to remember a tool you talked about that removed the background of a drawing or sketch, possibly automatically. Would you be able to share what this might have been? Thanks. HughLilly (talk) 01:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[]

@HughLilly: I use IrfanView. It's a free download for Windows or Linux. Unfortunately not available for MacOS. To pull up the Paint dialog, press F12. The tool is the Color Replacer [sic]. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Piano / sheet music-related questionEdit

Unrelated to Wikisource. May I email you? Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Of course. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Question. Do the LilyPond transcriptions not have the sound files generated at the end of the scores anymore? Do I remember correctly that they used to? Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[]

LilyPond got turned off in July last year and has only recently been allowed again. While it wasn't available any scores that had vorbis=1 in the opening tag caused documents to fail to render. So, we commented out most of the vorbis statements. Now, that it's working again, it is safe to reinstate them. You may find that some scores fail because of technical problems. Let me know and I'll see what can be done to fix them. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:16, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Okay. Thanks. I was just going to play around with a file (in preview mode only) sometime in the near future to see how something "translates", but it is for personal purposes only, so I don't want to bother anyone with it :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:53, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Index:Transactions NZ Institute Volume 26.djvuEdit

You plan to do the pageslist yourself? Thanks :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 06:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[]

If two weeksEdit

Hi. Hope that you are well, and not overly hampered by A's restrictions. If there is a new measure for closing, would you be so kind to have that reflected in Wikisource:Restricted access policy. I don't have an issue with the time period, just wish to manage expectations. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

"recent changes"Edit

First, thank you for explaining what you changed in the most recent move log. I looked at it and looked at it. Then again and some more. Now, I have a question. Is the little line that has a dedicated key on most english keyboards a dash or a hyphen? LaTeX thinks it is a minus sign, which is, lord knows, fine by me. Thank you for your time (and talk space)in settling my somewhat stupified state.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

The key on the keyboard produces a hyphen. Technically a minus-sign is a different character, but the hyphen is generally used in general texts. There are two forms of dashes: the en-dash (–), used to separate ranges; and the em-dash (—), used to indicate a break in thought. It is our policy that page names only use a hyphen, even when an en-dash is correct, which is what I was adjusting, as I accidentally used the en-dash before and after the pipe, instead of after only. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 00:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you so much. My list of little lines that have meanings just went from 3 to 5 in number. And yes, there is a lot wrong with LaTeX, it is good that the <math /> space allows so many wrongs and such untidinesss. This "knowing" of the hyphen key, that you shared with me just now -- I feel greatly settled and gently amused by that in the Recent Changes. May you have such a good day (or night) for this as I am now!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Usage of Scans TemplateEdit

I see that you are reverting my usages of {{scan}} because "don't link to scans when they are fully validated" Is this a hard rule? My idea was to use scan to distinguish texts that are scan-backed from non-scan backed. Do you know where I can find the rules governing the usage of {{scan}} ?Languageseeker (talk) 03:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

The backend arcana of Index: and Page: spaces should (mostly) be transparent to the normal reader. Putting a link to the Index: page on a work indicates that there is more to be done to complete it. Complete works don't need this. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Languageseeker: Also, all scan-backed pages automatically get a link to the relevant Index: page through the "Source" page tab at the top of the page. To the degree we have a need to technically differentiate further (which I am not necessarily convinced of) we need to look at other methods; and a principle for any template-based tagging would be that we tag the pages that are a "problem"—the non-scan-backed ones—and not the ones that are actually up to current standards. Xover (talk) 09:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xover: Ok, I see that the ultimate goal is to present clean links on pages. However, I think that it's also helpful to easily visually distinguish scan-backed texts from non-scanned-backed texts. Would either of you support adding a template to tag non-scanned backed version, say with perhaps this icon  . Maybe call it, {{noscan}}? Languageseeker (talk) 12:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Once idea I had is to use the wikidata not proofread / proofread / validated icons (we could even pull them from wikidata). MarkLSteadman (talk) 15:28, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
That might not be a bad idea and save quite a bit of time. It would be nice to be able to look ahead at the link on the Author/Portal/Version ns and see if it is from a transcluded text and, if so, the status of the entire Index, and then automatically add an icon. Languageseeker (talk) 03:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Definitely NOT on the Author pages. Keep them as simple as possible: do we host such and such a work? That's all they're meant to indicate. The mainspace is where the indication of status lives. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
FYI, I find that scan image confusing now that we also have "Ready for Export" (i.e. that book implies good for e-book rather than having scans), but that is another whole topic... MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

scores and stupid usersEdit

I did. I found at least two songbooks and uploaded them here and added the needs score template.

I tried to proof the words, but I did not and still do not know what form would be best for the software and and person applying the software to the words would be.

It is easier for me to believe that a person would be not musical, yet interested in music than a person being interested in math but not mathy. The subjects are similar, very similar from what little I know of music and its notation, but they don't map onto the world and its inhabitant the same way.

And further, I have an aversion to GUILE, Lisp and my first online experience with scripting language howtos was something like "Script-fu in one Unfun". I was going to install lilypond and when I saw it required guile, I considered removing my eyeballs so they could roll in a bigger circle. I used to think it was the curly brackets, but I am here and templates require three on each side, so it isn't that. Maybe it is a learned bias, although, some of my snobberies are there to keep me from doing too much.

So, this is a rant, and it is mostly about how undeserving of ranting I am. 55 needs math templates and the person isn't proofing the pages, just smacking the template on them. But I can't rant because I basically did that also.

The image software has a script-fu server running at all times. I remember a kindly person hinting about the file chooser also.

So, no need to reply, I am unloading, in an I'm sorry sort of way.

And in other conversations says that &hyphen == &dash and I say that I appreciate that you use hyphen as its name since there is a whole dash family. I downloaded that page and sent it to my ereader and none of it displayed. None!!!

Thank you for your time and participation in this sad, sorry sorry sorry rant.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[]