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Doing great workEdit

Gday Mark. You have been quietly working away and been doing really good stuff, working well in Page ns, and got transclusion to the main ns sorted, congratulations. A note: we pretty well have deprecated the use of the quality tag, as with the quality ribbon that comes with page transclusion picks up the proofread status, making the other tag redundant. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I have several questions still about transclusion and the main ns. 1) In The World's Famous Orations Vol. 1 I cannot seem to get the sectioning to work right, where one ends and another begins on the same page. 2) I am not sure about who the authors should be for some of the works in TWFO1 (such as Achilles speech, should it have Achilles or Homer?) I guess this should be on the TWFO1 discussion page? — MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Re 1) a) added a section and b) transclusion update. My recommendation is to think of the sections as chunks, so we have select a chunk on a terminating or starting page that we wish to have transcluded, and the transclusion itself grabs the chunk. 2) For Achilles, it is pretty well a legend anyway. We would try to have the author, when we know specifically. I would suggest that for this, we could utilise the notes fields to add context. ie, Legend has it that [[w:Achilles|]] spoke these words, and they are words that were recorded among the works of [[Author:Homer|]] or something like that. No exact science, so you could put more on the talk page if you think that is relevant. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:48, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Validating Goethe's WorksEdit

Thank you for validating my work! If you would prefer it, I can clean up the formatting of the line breaks in the already done section. Or I can get back to proofreading. MarkLSteadman (talk) 03:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Would you be willing to validate 30 pages of my work? The "In Memoriam" is very short and has been proofread and sitting for a long while. I will continue on some more validating of your work. It is a fair exchange. Kindest regards, Maury ( —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)


I noticed that page 14 was not a good scan. I saw they have a better version now on google books. Not sure how to replace it though. MarkLSteadman (talk) 04:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I remembered that page and marked it as not done (red). Do not worry over it, I can remedy it -- and I also have the page to complete it. Kind regards, Maury. —William Maury Morris IITalk 04:39, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Finished with In Memoriam. Thanks again for validating Goethe. I hope you found it interesting. MarkLSteadman (talk) 05:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Our adventure is over for now <smile>. It is difficult to read in detail when one is looking for formatting, spelling of German words &c. I thank you for what you have done on my behalf. Nobody else had bothered and that is often the way of things here. Formatting a page was what I saw as an error in most of what you have edited. I left a note when I validated the pages that can be seen on your "watchlist" that covers how to format a page. Pages can look excellent but when you are in edit mode you will see that an unformatted page has scrambled text. When you format the text it pulls everything into close order which can be seen after the page is saved and one looks back at the "diff" of before and after formatting a page. Thank you again for your help. Kindest regards, Maury (—William Maury Morris IITalk 05:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Authority control gadgetEdit

Gday MLS. Not sure whether you have seen in your gadgets (via preferences) that we have a gadget that places itself into the sidebar that allows us to search and easily add {{authority control}} templates to Author pages. Really useful it is. Also, if you are building many author pages, then I have a javascript file in my common.js file that queries enWP for the name and populates blank author pages. Give me a buzz if you want to know more, or would like specific detail. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:43, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Gday billinghurst. Thanks for reminding me about authority control. I meant to investigate it earlier and never quite got around to it. I would be interested in learning more about how to use javascript in common.js to make things easier. Is there any documentation available? MarkLSteadman (talk) 16:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Documentation?!? <gasp> nothing local. In the general sense we rely on the goodwill of enWP like w:Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts. We gave gadgetify numbers of them. Have a poke at user:Billinghurst/common.js but only look at the top bits where I have scripts, the bottom components are just ugly. Any admin can put them in place for you, as we have ability to write to user space. Phe's scripts (author) you will see that I just run from his user space, so it is a line of code for me (and my trust that he isn't dodgy).

I did fib, there is some documentation about some bits at Wikisource:Tools and scripts though it is a bit of a wild, untended paddock! — billinghurst sDrewth 11:50, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Pentagon PapersEdit

Thanks so much for your help with the Pentagon Papers! GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy to help. Do feel free to add the Wikipedia / Wiktionary links to my edits. I do have one quick question. I noticed that it contains excerpts from articles / books that are copyrighted. I assume that it is ok as fair use, but I thought I should check with you. MarkLSteadman (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, that's a bit of a nasty issue... I've been allowing the smaller quotes to remain, but I've been removing the copyrighted images and large swaths of text. I posted a discussion of it on the Scriptorium, and it's definitely a grey area. GorillaWarfare (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I was looking at these to proofread but couldn't figure out where the indexes are. Searched and saw you were working on things recently. I'm not technical at all, and was wondering if you could link the index at United_States_–_Vietnam_Relations,_1945–1967:_A_Study_Prepared_by_the_Department_of_Defense? As suggested on the talk out page it would assist proofreaders like me to help on the project. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 06:49, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

I added a list of the indices to the talk page. A bunch of them still need to be set up and possibly the scans fixed so let me know if there is one that interests you. MarkLSteadman (talk) 07:30, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikisource User GroupEdit

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c:File:Democratic Ideals and Reality (1919).djvuEdit

Hello. Just to let you know that the above file has been undeleted at Commons because it is now PD in the UK too. Green Giant (talk) 08:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your recent edits to Looters of the Public Domain. I'm curious about this edit. Is there an easy-to-explain reason why having the {{sc}} template on each line is better? In general, I see a lot of more experienced Wikisourcers (or, people more familiar with web code) tidying-up after my edits, but in some cases like this, the underlying reasons are opaque to me. -Pete (talk) 20:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

(Short version). The rendering will change when the new parser comes out which will cause the sc template to not carry over across paragraphs.
(More technical version). Sc is implemented by a span (like e.g. the smaller template) rather than a div (like e.g. the smaller block template). You can read here [[1]] about how the different parsers change the rendering of span . This is related to a change from HTML4 semantics to HTML5 semantics happening across multiple wikis.
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Excellent, thank you -- that helps a lot. -Pete (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Smaller adjustmentEdit

Your edit here seems to have made text too small. I'll let you take a look. Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 06:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

I only made smaller per paragraph instead of across multiple paragraphs. I closed the unclosed template since that seemed to be the intent. (See the previous commit here). Feel free to remove all the smallers if it is left from before the block were put in, I was trying to match the existing styling. MarkLSteadman (talk)
Thanks. Think I found the issue. Londonjackbooks (talk) 06:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


That is one of my very early introduced works and it was waaaay back when we were very size limited with uploads and the scan sources were scare and sometimes plain crap—and probably so was my transcribing. If there is a better scan copy around of the edition, then we could look to re-upload to Commons, and move pages over. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights SurveyEdit

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Portal - authority controlEdit

The use of {{authority control}} isn't sanctioned yet for Portals as you've been doing. However, it may be reasonable because of the way we use Portals for corporate authorship. I would recommend updating the template's documentation and/or posting a note to the Scriptorium. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

I did see this https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Authority_control which references portal pages. I will comment about it in general on Scriptorum per your suggestion and update the template docs. I mostly wanted to do some work to improve our publishing company pages by making sure they are tagged with the category and linked to wikidata and fill in some gaps as well as update a few of the booklists. MarkLSteadman (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Created the Scriptorium comment. MarkLSteadman (talk) 17:59, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Typos in page namesEdit

Hi Mark,

Just to let you know, if you mistype a page name on creation you should mostly be able to just move the page to the right name yourself. There's a "Move" command in the "More" dropdown menu (right next to the search field) on every page. There are some pages where moving is restricted to administrators, but most pages you should be able to fix yourself. Moving a page is usually the better way to deal with such cases for several reasons (you can do it yourself, it preserves editing history, etc.). --Xover (talk) 13:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

contributor ... Venona: FBI Documents of Historic Interest ?Edit

Hi. I see for one of the subpages of the work that author was used rather than contributor. If that was also the case with the other subpages, would you mind updating. It changes the positioning of the name of the section's author. Can also use section_author. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Ethically attentive workEdit

Just wanted to drop a note of thanks for being attentive on WS:PD#The Ethical Theory of Hegel. If you hadn't commented there it is very likely that we would have made a mistake. It is possible the closing admin (often myself) would have noticed that the subpages were scan-backed, but by no means certain. And as you see, the entire nom was premised on the work not being scan-backed.

I also very much appreciate participation in discussions on WS:CV and WS:PD in general. The hardest part of managing those processes is that there is insufficient participation to be able to judge any clear consensus. A lot of the cases may be pretty straightforward, but a significant number end up needing opinions on "Where do we draw the line?"; either in the form of "How incomplete for how long do we permit?", or "What standard of evidence do we accept as sufficient for [some issue, often copyright related]?". Xover (talk) 06:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


I have finally created the score; could you transclude the work? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@TE(æ)A,ea.: Can do (I will also fill out the Wikidata). I also uploaded the previous national anthem of Namibia and plan to do Zambia and Kenya as well. I tried to find an edict to back Uganda and was not successful. I was planning to work my way through the former British colonies and see how far I get... Hopefully we can sort most of these English ones from the 60s out. MarkLSteadman (talk) 01:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Harmonics - Aristoxenus - MacranEdit

I had peeked ahead wondering if there was were music examples involved. I see at least Page:Harmonics - Aristoxenus - Macran.djvu/16 early on. I haven't heard about progress on Lilypond support at WS/Wikimedia, so I was very surprised to see Page:Government Gazette of the Republic of Namibia - No 6807.pdf/7 by User:TE(æ)A,ea.. Is Lilypond back? Shenme (talk) 01:41, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Shenme: It's being tested pending a full rollout (see comment here and the commit here). MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:24, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Also feel free to work on it if you are interested, I mostly wanted to set it up because it looked like an interesting work and I wanted to create the indices in case someone is interested, I have a bunch of other projects in flight... MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
  • If you need some help with scores, Shenme or Mark, feel free to ask me. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Your Nominations for the October MC were SelectedEdit

I wanted to let you know that Index:London - The People of the Abyss.djvu and Index:Footsteps of Dr. Johnson.djvu were selected for the October MC. Languageseeker (talk) 02:04, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. We will see what kind of interest they attract. MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:16, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


I'm transcluding the Eddas that I see you have been working on. Great job!

I don't know if you are familiar with LST (labelled section transclusion), but if you may find it easier to add section tags as you go rather than going back and adding them in afterwards. See the changes I made to Page:The Elder Edda and the Younger Edda - tr. Thorpe - 1907.djvu/79 for an example of what I mean. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 19:45, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

When transcluding my own, I am happy to do it but I wasn't sure with challenge works whether whoever who was planning to go through it had their own ideas about conventions so I let it be... Thanks for transcluding it, I wasn't sure how far we wanted to go before concluding enough had been done to merit transclusion. MarkLSteadman (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

new versionEdit

Hi, I noted your find, a Kropotkin pamphlet, and uploaded that to The wage system. I see there is another version at the title case, do with that what you will. Regards, Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:21, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

identity crisisEdit

You were skating circles around me and my latest batch of authors. I got one that I am pretty sure should be merged with another but would rather a better skater do this than me. See d:Q109522780 I just made that for Powell Millington. LCCN says that this is a pseud. for d:Q96081644 Mark Synge. LCCN: https://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n85231211.html I found him as author a short story in 1902. Thanks, show off....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Re the previous edits, I appreciated the work you had done in finding them which made it much easier to track down and search for the death dates. In general I enjoy finding death dates as it is like a mini-challenge to track down and find on the web as a mini-mystery... I actually have not done much admin stuff on wikidata like merges or deletions. I generally left a note on the talk page for both items and then someone came along and merged it (not much of a show off then)... MarkLSteadman (talk) 02:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
Merge is easy. Too easy, really. It is in a drop down under "More". I merged records before I lost my ! there, even. Just run with the defaults, like "merge with the oldest" and "load the merged when completed". The only problem that can arise is when it is open in another tab and later you start to edit it, but even then wd complains and causes the edit to stop, or at least for the editor to think about it.
Administative at wd is more like knowing how to set the properties up. What is allowed, not allowed and regexp for urls and numerics, etc. They don't seem to delete, just occasionally they discuss reusing previously merged numbers.
I went back to see if Lt. Col. (or whatever) had a viaf, and there wasn't one; so, I am pretty sure it is the same person. I think you should merge it to see how easy it is, nothing to brag about like filling in a history of a person who died a hundred years ago or so. viaf thinks they are the same, (I just checked the other name). Try it!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:06, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

My ApologyEdit

I'm sorry about nominating two of your Namibian Acts for deletion on Commons, mistakenly believing that they were locally copyrighted. It is later found that Namibian copyright law has provision that releases government edicts into their local public domain, so that they should be allowable on Commons. I'll deal with all the mess later then, regards.廣九直通車 (talk) 09:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks for your attention to detail, it is certainly the case that I could have missed some thing as I am also not particularly adept at any law and it is good for someone else to get involved. BTW if you do want to scan-back more laws, feel free to reorganize them to be more user-friendly. elLet me know if I can help out in any way. MarkLSteadman (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

The Arden ShakespeareEdit

Thanks for setting this up. I do wonder however why you chose to switch to an inferior Google scan for Much Ado About Nothing over the scan I had linked at IA? I sought out high-quality scans for any Arden editions when I went through and revised the versions pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:53, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@EncycloPetey Because the IA scan link is for Measure for Measure rather than Much Ado About Nothing unless I am missed something. MarkLSteadman (talk) 21:04, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Well then thanks for catching the error. I must have borked and copy-pasted without updating. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:38, 7 February 2022 (UTC)


Per the documentation, this template is intended for use in the Talk and File namespaces, not Author, Portal, etc. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

I was meaning to use {{IA small link}}, and got confused between them, sorry. MarkLSteadman (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Vote-ish processesEdit

A request: in vote-ish discussions such as at WS:PD, to the degree you're willing and able to formulate a definite stance, it would be helpful if you could make it explicit with a keep or delete vote; preferably using {{vk}} or {{vd}}. You can of course further qualify your stance to express nuances beyond those two binaries (e.g. "By delete I mean convert page under discussion into a redirect to target page"), but having a clear overall position is very helpful to the poor admin trying to manage the process (i.e., on PD and CV, me). The biggest problem with WS:PD and WS:CV and making them function properly is limited participation in discussions, which often makes it extremely difficult to assess the outcome (and makes it vulnerable to bias and hijacking; cf. the recent spate of ideologically motivated cut&paste votes that were clearly made without so much as a glance at the text in question). Which in turn leads to a massive backlog, which makes clearly expressed explicit positions a great boon and timesaver when trying to process them. If you're not able (or comfortable with, or...) to express a specific position then you should of course not feel any pressure to do so. Xover (talk) 08:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

EB1911 mathsEdit

I happened to notice that on Page:EB1911 - Volume 01.djvu/666 and nearby pages you're using {{polytonic}} and a bunch of other formatting to mimic the math, rather than actually using math markup. In fact, I think I saw in the page history for one page that you removed actual math markup and replaced it with formatting templates. This makes me curious as to the reason why you've chosen that approach? Is there some problem with the math markup support in MediaWiki for these pages? Xover (talk) 08:22, 11 June 2022 (UTC)