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Again, welcome! --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page:The Ganas or Republics of Ancient India.pdf/1 edit

Hi, about your proofreading of the page. Curly quotes are against the house style here. Straight quotes are to be used except when special justification exists for curly quotes. Secondly, the references are clubbed together on the last page. So, when you put the references in their appropriate spots, they should be within the includeonly tag, so that the post-proofreading display conforms to the scan but the refs come up during transclusion. The refs clubbed on the last page should be within noinclude tag, so that they are not transcluded. Thanks. Hrishikes (talk) 07:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikicode and tables edit

Mediawiki wikicode for tables needs to see all the html equivalents of <tr><td> on new lines, so when we patch pages together with transclusion the first line of each new pages needs a little wiki-hypnotism to tell it new line, not continuing paragraph. In the Page: namespace {{nopt}} at the top of a page for us acts as a placeholder, then on a new line start your row marker.

As a FYI. Please don't terminate pages with a new row marker, that is problematic. It is an incorrect coding that came into this house at some stage, and still seems to proliferate at times. When validating please feel fit to replace it through the length of these extended tables. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hws and hwe and 'when' edit

I had already mentioned to another editor (Jasonanaggie) that I was confused about what to do with originally-hyphenated words mid-page. Jason had hyphenated words either side of a picture (e.g. mid- then -dle) where in one place I’d elected to just combine and shift the word to one side.

Here you wanted to conform to the usual {{hws}} / {{hwe}} usage to handle/control hyphenation. However, the result was not good for the resulting displayed text. (check the display) Very likely the added picture being right-aligned confused things.

Did you do this hws/hwe usage elsewhere where I could check how that actually turned out with less complicated picture placement? Then maybe we could approach the longer-lived residents for a determination. Cuz my lament to Jason included "I wish there was a per-project style guide in the discussion page. Shenme (talk) 04:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Robert Treat Paine edit

Robert Treat Paine, Jr., died in 1811 [1]. Your Robert Treat Paine must be a different one.

Also, Wikisource does not include "Jr." in author pages as a rule, since it is not part of the person's name. We usually use birth & death dates to dismabiguate, as with Author:Thomas Wilson (1773-1858) for example. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Medicina de quadrupedibus edit

You've marked several pages as "without text" that clearly contain substantial text, including the publication wrapper and series adverts. While we do not require that these pages be included in the transcluded copy, they should still be transcribed. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The North Star edit

There are a lot of works (especially American works related to slavery) that share this title. It would be much easier to set the work at a disambiguated title now (as a new work) than to move everything later. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:36, 24 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Remaines of Gentilisme and Judaisme edit

The source file was corrected; it is the correction of the file that has caused created pages to be misaligned. The problem is in the Page namespace and with the Index. There is nothing wrong with the source file. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:07, 25 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quotation Marks edit

Wikisource:Style_guide#Formatting says "Use typewriter quotation marks (straight, not curly)." Please don't change straight quotes to curly ones.--Prosfilaes (talk) 00:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A buzz overhead edit

I was peeking at recent changes and noticed the activity at "A profitable instruction of the perfite ordering of Bees" and page Page:A_profitable_instruction_of_the_perfite_ordering_of_Bees.djvu/43. I was noticing the haggard state of blackletter in the merged pages as at A_profitable_instruction_of_the_perfect_ordering_of_Bees/First_Treatise/Chapter_23, so thought I'd look if earlier pages were done differently.

Immediately I noticed something completely differently different. In that first page I looked at, I was intrigued to see the faithful rendering of "then" seen as "thē" (4th line). But in looking at earlier pages I came across the first preface page, which contains a word "long" (8th line), written "lōg", but here transcribed as "as by his log ſtudy", using {{SIC}}.

Is this an isolated mistranscription? Perhaps a note in project discussion that these compressed forms should be preserved using special characters (e.g. 'ē', 'ō') would be useful? Shenme (talk) 04:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

scores of scores! edit

I was unable to determine from the documentation what the best way to leave the lyrics of a score so that a person using the score making software might more easily use them when transcribing the sheet music.

Do you have a preference for this?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wonder about those even numbers before every other bar. I thought I could see them in the rendering code, but it was just a thought.
Also, I like curly quotes and dislike style guides but I also get bored with changing them as well. (I read some of your other comments....)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A profitable instruction of the perfite ordering of Bees. edit


I can fairly easily put this on a similar background (brown clapboard or some such) if you prefer.

Or, I can make a table of the whole image so that the text elements can be text. I have at the commons an example of that where it worked quite well and one in which it didn't work.

Didn't work-->commons:Category:Evangeline, Tale of Acadie (1883)/Cover

Worked quite well here:-->Page:The Pilgrims Progress (1890).djvu/9 with 13 image files!! commons:Category:The Pilgrim's Progress (1890)/Title --RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, I found this: It is called "REVERSED ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET". And this: called, uniquely enough "ROTATED FLORAL HEART BULLET"--RaboKarbakian (talk) 03:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am not going to do any more image work until the banner season has passed. Which is sad, because I like it and I am good at it and it doesn't hurt people. I don't even think it hurts their soul or their purpose or place on this earth.

Had I been trading with BWC, about 40 of those songs would have been done by now. I am plenty used to unfair trades as I probably value my work more than others and I am the idiot both locally and in the world for continuing with it when every one else is just as happy or even more happy with button push image processing.

But when the banner is there and the download is probably from right in this building in which I have heard for the last almost 7 years that I am truly not wanted; I got to respect the constant message and give my creepy feelings an out. That both can be accomplished in a simple way is a glaring truth.

So, sorry? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Primary Christmas Songs and Jingle-Bells edit

I was going to move Jingle Bells to make room for your version.

The Primary Christmas Songs lists a different author than the version here.

Also, if you upload the whole pdf to the commons, they have an OCR thing here which will generate the editable pages. (Preferences-->Gadgets-->Page namespace-->OCR)--RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:08, 19 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Johnson's Lives of the Poets edit

Thanks for the opportunity to work on the Swift section. I've finished it. However, I also started on The Philosophy Review a while back, and would like to continue with it. When I'm done with it (it will be a while -- many volumes) I’ll check back on the Johnson. Susanarb (talk) 05:09, 10 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Index:The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana.djvu edit

I don't see any discussion linked to this index. What is the problem with the source file? --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It would be better to put the note on the Talk page. Few people will think to scroll down to the bottom of the table of contents to find that information. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Index:Meat for Thrifty Meals.djvu edit

Want to do this an 'unoffical' POTM? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Index:Gurney - Things Mother Used to Make.djvu edit

Excellent effort, But please note you have to close italic or bold formating inside template parameters. Unmatched or ' tags cause issues. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:36, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Another work for proofreading... edit

Another interesting oddity:

Index:Telegraphic Code to Insure Privacy and Secrecy in the Transmission of Telegrams.djvuShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tend to mark stuff as not-proofread when cleaning up against the scan, using the OCR text.

I've got no objection to someone like you that knows what they are doing looking through my back efforts at OCR cleanup, to find items for proofreading or validation, which should be very straightforward. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January not July edit

Some page number confusion on my part with the IA file. July soon.... --RaboKarbakian (talk) 01:21, 31 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Terminating formatting... edit

Don't forget that '' '' to set italics MUST be paired. I am fixing a large number of pages you nominally proofread, with unterminated formatting. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:40, 2 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And PLEASE get an editor that doesn't mangle these, I am having to correct a large number of pages I KNOW I had matched up the pairs on only for them to be broken when you did your nominal proofreading.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:54, 2 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Correcting status edit

Edits like these are not "correcting status". You might want to read about the philosophy behind how we label pages, and consider why certain pages are marked the way we do, and why others are not. I certainly don't understand why you chose to double-indicate some blank pages that are part of the numbering sequence, but decided the blank back cover of the book, which is not transcluded, needed a special name.

I have left some lengthy discussions with User:Xover on his talk page. You might start with those. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

edit I did not make.... edit

I am not sure what is going on here. I have been credited for making this edit: https://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page%3AMotoring_Magazine_and_Motor_Life_July_1915.djvu%2F15&type=revision&diff=9078921&oldid=9078919

but I did not make it. I would like to know who did make it because the same ad occurs in the January edition Page:Motoring Magazine and Motor Life January 1915.djvu/21 which I am leaving in a mess....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:57, 4 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

cropping problem.... edit


I am weak-minded maybe but there are so many images in that book and most are so incredibly boring--I cringe about additional time spent with them.

I poked around some and located meta:Extension:EditImage to see if that would allow me to continue to avoid the additional cropping....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

rackham edit

I grabbed Hawthorne's Wonderbook (external scan) (which is not here yet). The Rhinegold & Valkeryie (external scan) (also not here yet, and a great read, imo and if this is the version I read....) and Gullivers Travels (external scan) which is here, but not illustrated.

Unless you have an opinion, I'm going to start mostly with Hawthorne, but working on more than one at a time (for me) is good; as they can be stored at commons until needed -- just let me know what you would like.

What fun!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:53, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It was difficult to choose, so if you want to pick one or a few, let me know.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:54, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
commons:Category:A Wonder Book (1922).--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

migrate to edit

In this case the text does not need to be migrated to the DjVu, since the DjVu has been fully proofread. Migration of text is only necessary when the Pages of the DjVu file have not been proofread. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

When that happens, we simply transclude the proofread text into the unsourced version. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

en dash vs. em dash edit

Hi there,

Can you make sure that you use em dashes (—) in Index:Poems by Cushag.djvu. I'm getting a bit tired tidying them and the curly quotes to conform to Wikisource's standards.

Thanks. -Einstein95 (talk) 23:22, 1 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Same issue in Harlem Shadows. You're using en-dashes where you should be using em-dashes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deprecated formatting edit

Please see Help:Transclusion regarding the deprecated transclusion method you are using (e.g. {{Page:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu/5}}). Yes, it still works, but it is no longer the recommended practice for transcluding pages, and has not been for a very long time. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:45, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

From the style Guide edit

"Use typewriter quotation marks (straight, not curly)."

You should know better by now. Please stop introducing curly quotes into works that should not have them. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is your warning that you will be blocked if you persist in violating Community style. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You have been blocked again for a repeat offense of deliberately and systematically violating the WS Style Guide. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Altering style edit

When you validate the work prepared by another editor, you must be careful not to introduce problems or to alter a style that the previous editor consistently applied.

I have noticed in your editing that you often break syntax in headers or footer, or randomly alter certain elements of the header/footer, or inconsistently remove elements from some header/footer pages in a work, but not others.

It is important to be aware of this and not do it. If you are using some editing tool, then it is not working correctly.

It is also important to respect style choices of the previous editor, and not eliminate items consistently and purposefully applied without discussing those changes. You regularly remove {{dhr}} spacing from works, though not consistently, and this is not OK. If the editor who established the work included those templates as part of a consistently applied style, then removing them as you are doing, without discussion, can be construed as vandalism, as it reduces the quality of the overall work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:40, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As I said, you're breaking syntax in headers. See here where your edit removed the "close italics" from the header formatting. You have been doing this across multiple pages on at least two different works. Please correct this issue. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Songs of Long Ago edit

You have a source/scan? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:53, 21 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Saintly Women edit

Hi, I'm wondering why you're using the "override_author" field on these articles. The normal use for this field is allow for non-linking of author or multiple authors. However, there's only one author who has an author page. If you are doing it to save typing the full name onto each page, then create an author: space redirect and put the shorter form into the author field. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

US Statutes at large... edit

Thanks, Can you check with the linthint script when you add pages , because I am seeing a LOT of missmatched P and SPAN tags, possibly resulting from a template that was wrong being subst? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transclusion preferentially should use <pages> syntax than template:page edit

Hi. The community style is to transclude pages using the mul:Wikisource:ProofreadPage syntax rather than the rather old and less preferred template:Page. It would be great if you could migrate your coding to this form. There may be the rare occasions when one needs to use {{page}} or even the base #LST, however, that usage should be quite rare and exceptional. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As some notes, on subpages it is usual to utilise title = [[../]] to wikilink to the root page of the work, and it is less than usual to transclude the section pages like /29 on Sonnets and Ballate of Guido Cavalcanti/Sonnets. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:59, 4 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Umm, who are you to determine a consensus? edit

Hello. For someone who is reasonably new to this community, you are acting in a very forward way. This community does things more slowly than the WPs, and you should be relying on those experienced heads within the community. Please do not self-appoint to implement decisions of this community or to determine when there is a consensus. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:04, 26 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I do not agree that it was TE(æ)A,ea's fault when he tried to end the voting in good faith. The main problem is completely different: absence of clear rules guiding the voting process and it is a big pity that the experienced heads have not created any so far. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 13:13, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Long s edit

Hello. I have noticed you have nominated a A Letter from a Noble-Man Abroad, to his Friend in England for validation. I have got just one point to raise before the validation starts: According to Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography#Phonetically equivalent archaic letter forms long s should be transcribed using the template {{ls}}, which keeps the original form of the letter "ſ" in the page namespace, but transcribes it as ordinary "s" in the main namespace. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 12:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And more than once. Please reply, so we can have this conversation about style, and presentation per the community guidelines. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Table of Contents to root page edit

With works at Wikisource, for proper output through our EPUB/MOBI/PDF book tool (link in sidebar), the table of contents needs to appear on the root page of the work, otherwise when the conversion takes place all the subpages are not generated in the work. I have made that change for A Wonder Book, though I am guessing that you will have others that require that conversion. Let me know if you need a hand. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community Insights Survey edit

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey edit

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Use of ſ in works edit

Would you please explain your use of archaic characters ſ and the like in An Admonition against Profane and Common Swearing and persuade me why that usage should remain rather than the use of {{long s}} which would be our typical style as explained at Wikisource:Style guide/Orthography, or simply just use the character s. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:54, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And to please note that a "Talk" page is for talking, which we would normally consider a two-way conversation, rather than a place where other people leave notes. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey edit

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Useful titles of factual works edit

Hi. With something like United Nations Treaty Series/Volume 1/1/3 and similar works, we would normally look to give some useful text visual title that is going to make sense to those reading the work. Straight ... 1/1/3 means nothing to anybody, so sometimes a little license needs to be taken. Often you will find that the treaties have common names that applied and that is a reasonable approach to utilise those common names for the subpages to the series. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

double quotes edit

The Template:dq seems to be using xml entity notation. &ldquo;. One of my definitions of cool (and also very browser friendly) is to make a completely ascii document which renders in perfect utf-8. Would you consider this?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:20, 3 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A daunting text from 1561 edit

The sourcerers seem to be unhappy with the Chaucer that is here and I agree with them. I am getting ready to do some moving so that all of the previously uploaded and orphaned versions can be listed sensibly, and the list can take the correct spot at wikidata, etc., etc.

I found woorkes of Geffrey Chaucer which is 778 pages of double columned illuminated old- or middle-English poetry. My second thought was that maybe you would not find this as daunting as I do. I would help and I would clean the illuminated letters and other illustrations. And, truth be told, I would have more understanding of you not wanting to get involved but be truly glad if you would consider it.

I also found illustrated version which, if I still had a computer at home, the illustrations would be close to being completed and uploaded at commons by now.

I have a computer that needs a monitor and perhaps a new power-supply (I never determined what took it out). As it is right now, I am going to remove the network card before I plug it in. I caught the people I live with and at this point in time, they are using up future trust as I have to trust them now and have no reason to. Honestly, if you have to lie (and this lie was dreadful) probably you should not lie. That seems simple to me. Okay, sorry to ramble about problems on the homefront, it is just going to take a lot more time given the current situation.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just found this: Canterbury Tales (ed. Skeat). So maybe the 778 pages of old tome is really too much....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Toccata (Nancarrow) edit

This work needs source information. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Self-closing tags edit

Hi. Please avoid self-closing tags, they are flagged as lint errors, see [2]. E.g. I fixed this here. I could not figure out how to add an extra [ before the link, so I just followed your steps but with explicit closing tags. Thanks. Mpaa (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And pease also pay attention to properly nest <div>-based and <span>-based templates. Otherwise a lint error will be flagged. Thanks. Mpaa (talk) 17:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please pay attention to the self-closing tags. It is not that difficult. I cannot keep on clean them forever. Thanks Mpaa (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Halleck edit

Is there some reason you don't want the page numbers to be displayed? --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:44, 3 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:New texts edit

Please consider adding your recent completed work to this template, so that it will display on the main page. Add to top, and drop the bottom to the archive section. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SIC indicated on Page:Fur and the Fur Trade.djvu/17 edit

"kid" is a type of goat-leather. see w:Kidskin , so in context it's use on this page is NOT a mistake. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please do not use page template edit

I have mentioned this previously, please do not use {{Page}} unless it is absolutely necessary, please utilise <pages>. It is a relatively simple process to transclude a single page. This

{{Page:William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu/1}}

becomes either of these

<pages index="William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu" include=1 />
{{#tag:pages||index=William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu|include=1}}

Using Page, unnecessarily fouls up page numbering in the left margin, and that truly should be avoided. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:58, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, and rather than use "override_author" where you wish to display an author's name in a more abbreviated form, it is preferred that you create a redirect for the author's name. This is actually much preferred as it also reduces duplication of author pages for variations of name. Override_author is useful, though it is not a perfect solution as it inhibits or makes more complex some maintenance activities and functions. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

<i /> edit

Please don't use this sort of code, it upsets the renderers and spits out errors and puts pages into Category:Pages using invalid self-closed HTML tags. If you need to stick in a square bracket, you can use a unicode character &#91; [. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:34, 11 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sappho and the Sapphic Metre in English edit

Part of the reason this wasn't linked is that the source file has serious issues. There are two pages on each scan page, making page numbering impossible. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:31, 28 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Republic edit

The introduction is by a different author, with a later date of death, and so will need a different license from the rest of the work. It should therefore appear on a separate pages from the table of contents. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Imperative to follow style guide edit

I do not understand your resistance to our style guide. This formatting is simply not acceptable. All the requirements to get page numbering on the side obfuscated by your approach. Why?

Are you wishing to have every edit of yours reviewed and deemed acceptable, or would you like to be a trusted editor. Do you truly wish for me to bring this matter to the broader community? Would you prefer that abuse filters are written so that this type of editing cannot be undertaken just for you? I would love to see you moved to trusted editor status but you continue to be a maverick who thinks they know better and do not follow our guidance. Please tell me how you would like to progress. I am sure that you are sick of me repeating the same thing over and over. I know that I would prefer to not be here talking about our rudimentaries over and over. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:50, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is preferred that override_author is not used unless necessary, and the preferred formatting using <pages> either directly or as tags, per this edit. Similarly when doing subpages, we look to use relative links for title and previous/next. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Improperly deleted"? edit

Hi, I'm not sure what you mean by "improperly deleted". There was a deletion discussion (now at Wikisource:Proposed deletions/Archives/2013-06#Pages in category "Index - Text Layer Requested") at the time and and the decision was to delete until such time as better scans were available. As far as I can see you've just recreated with the old (hopeless) scan. What do you intend to do with it? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NLS works edit

Please leave the NLS works to the team of their staff that are working on them. They are getting to their works, and they have processes in place to manage. They are also putting them to the names of the works, not whatever non-standard model you are working to. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:42, 2 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hymn moves edit

Hi. Do you have evidence that the hymns that you moved were all sourced as you have described to A Collection of Hymns, for the Use of the People Called Methodists. Works are not moved to subpages of a work unless there is an evidentiary basis that the works were from that edition. Where no evidence then the works should remain at the root level. I am not seeing the evidence, what am I missing? — billinghurst sDrewth 13:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Collection of Hymns, for the Use of the People Called Methodists edit

I was moving what individual hymns I could find as part of this collection to sub-pages of this collection. I had intended to standardise the formatting of the hymns, along with any printing errors, to the edition I am viewing (here). Generally speaking, all of the hymns should be given as sub-pages; but I would have to search through more of his collections. The main page for this collection was already created, so I moved the hymns to sub-pages. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC).Reply[reply]

But that is not the way that we handle these things. If you don't know the source of the work, we don't force it into another work where it appeared. We can have multiple copies of the same work, and that is why we have {{versions}} page. I will move the pages back, noting though that some will need to be moved if these pages need to make way for version pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If the version we have has no identified source, but is identical (or substantially identical, with minor differences in layout or punctuation or spelling), then it is still worth backing it against the Collection of Hymns edition. Most unsourced hymns on Wikisource are taken from online databases and are composites that match no published edition, so in the end we would need to match them to a substantially identical published version or delete them as beyond scope. (Also, if we keep them as separate versions that are identical to the published versions, then they will be deleted as CSD G4 Redundant anyway.) —Beleg Tâl (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removing header parameters edit

Why did you do that here? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:42, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

JW - co-incidence? edit

Fun aside: is it co-incidence that the Targum translator, J.W. Etheridge has the name John Wesley, where you've done some related work, or did you turn the Targums up in the course of that work due to the name? Simply curious. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 15:19, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Admins and what they're good for :) edit

Hey TE(æ)A,ea.,

Regarding my comment elsewhere that I'm not sure this is something that particularly requires an administrator, but…. There was no criticism intended in that comment. I was just intending to convey: 1) that admins have no special authority to handle issues such as this, unless there is something that technically requires the +sysop permission (moves, deletes), and that you could most definitely approach the people involved yourself with your concerns; and, 2) that whether the practice you noticed with the NLS works is acceptable or not and how to handle it is more a question for the community (at WS:S) than for admins to decide.

But that aside, the admins are, of course, happy to help (I think I'm safe in speaking for all of them on that), and if you for whatever reason do not want to or cannot deal with such an issue yourself then asking for help by posting such a notification is obviously not just perfectly fine but also very much appreciated. --Xover (talk) 04:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=964836431 edit

I'm sorry, but I never created images: I was working from the original, to which I no longer have access. I guess we'll just have to delete it? Nyttend (talk) 23:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please stop edit

Hey TE(æ)A,ea.,

Please stop messing around with Table-Talk while I am working on it. You're making an already complicated situation much more complicated. Thanks. --Xover (talk) 14:01, 27 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Making stuff redundant… edit

Regarding What is Property? and the subpages. If you're scan-backing a work, once proofread, just replace the existing unsourced text with the <pages …> voodoo and, if needed, move the page to a new name. That way we preserve the edit history of the page, and the redirects left behind can be easily speedied without any big analysis of the criteria.

If you copy the transclusions out of the new "/Chapter X" subpages into the old "/X" pages, I can speedy the new pages as "author's request" (since you're the only contributor), and then move the "/X" pages to "/Chapter X" form without leaving redirects behind. --Xover (talk) 13:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hathi image resolution edit

Just a quick hint on Hathi images if you're extracting from there. The images you see in the "reader" mode are much smaller than the image that's actually available. For example:

I'm unsure of the physical meaning of the "size" parameter (it's not simply pixels), but generally adding "00" to the end means you get the biggest image Hathi has available. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 16:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In case it's useful to you, I'm tracking pages here: User:Beleg Tâl/Sandbox/Methodist HymnalBeleg Tâl (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the clarification edit

thanks! I didn't know there was a difference, I thought it was just short hand :) Blue-ray656 (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A proofreading question edit


Thanks for the feedback!

Yes, the accents on agán and elsewhere must be regular acute accents. At first glance, I thought they were handwritten additions, but now that I look closely I see that they were not actually added afterwards. I could have guessed it: a printer who can print weird stuff like ⁊ or ꝥ would have no issue with a mere á. I'll need to add these accents to the transcription.

I'm not sure I'll keep working on the volume 1 of Thorpe's ASC though, not before I can gather advice in how to handle best the six-column layout and the issues it may raise (like when there are hyphenated words at the end of 2 colums in one page, will hws and hwe work?). The same goes for Elstob's book; between the Latin, the Old English and the fancy typography and layout it's rather too complicated for me right now. I'll stick to the volume 2 of Thorpe's ASC, it should be easier. Ælfgar (talk) 08:02, 23 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've hitten another brick wall in the translation, since there is stuff at the bottom of the pages which behaves like footnotes without being actually footnotes, and I'm just not good enough at Wikisourcing to deal with it. If you want to provide templates I could follow for either of the two volumes of Thorpe, it would be much appreciated. Otherwise I'll just look for something easier to proofread. Ælfgar (talk) 19:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry to bother you again. Can you have a look at the last few pages of the Old English text I've transcribed? Some more complications have reared their heads, with footnotes split between pages and sidenotes as well. More generally, I wonder whether Wikisource will be able to display the final book as was intended by Thorpe, i.e. with the six columns side-by-side rather than three and three. Ælfgar (talk) 09:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Mahatma Gandhi, his life, writings and speeches edit

I don’t know how to do transclusion, but I can suggest User:Billinghurst. He’s also the head Admin here. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 11:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reason for undo? edit

Hi, your undo [3] has no explanation of why the editor's amendment was problematic. This was not vandalism, but a well-intentioned change, so the editor deserves a reason for the reversion. If you're not putting the explanation in the edit summary, then you need to explain on the editor's talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please stop edit-warring edit

Your recent edits to Treaty of Waitangi amount to edit-warring. This is as frowned on here as it is on enWP. Please desist, but rather discuss the best wording on the Talk page. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

header edit

Page:A Prisoner of the Khaleefa.djvu/32 - I screwed something up here, sorry - help? Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 03:35, 4 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Much thanks - also a question, [4] what is happening in these changes where a capital letter is changed in an Index? I see no differences on the actual page? Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And with this now all of the links are broken, but the template has working links - there's something I'm not understanding?
Oh, and this collection of editions, how do I tell which one is best to upload to Index:Tabakat i Nasiri.pdf (I just created it with a random one, now I am not sure if it has broken pages or just blank pages do not show up, etc - still figuring it out). Any easy way to tell how/if something is broken, and ideally BEFORE uploading it? And I tried to make Statement of the Chaush prior to battle but have definitely broken something and I tried a few different ways to use the LST sections but I'm missing something or other. Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 22:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is File:1965 Moynihan Report.pdf that for which you were asking? Only issue I see is that https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/history/webid-moynihan says their web version has not produced the charts and graphs in the original - and this PDF seems to likewise have removed any charts or graphs. Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 08:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the {{closed}}, though ironically it doesn't fold up or whatever you call it. Anyways, I started an overhaul on The Book of the Knight of the Tower but it's an insane amount of work, I'm tempted to abandon it except I see so many abandoned works when I click "Random". This is totally me guilt-tripping you to help by the way...even if it's just getting pages 15 and 16 to look like 14, lol. To make my job more annoying, his names for the chapters in the TOC not only don't line up with the order in which they appear in the book, but have slightly different titles (why young women should fast VS why daughters should fast VS why maidens should fast, etc). I thought I was volunteering to provide modern English translation since I read Ye Olde professionally...didn't realize how many tmeplates and blocks and apostrophes and links are needed. Yikes. Oh and any idea why clicking on something like Page:The booke of thenseygnementes and techynge that the Knyght of the Towre made to his doughters - 1902.pdf/228 will sometimes bring up the "Create" page where I can start immediately and sometimes bring up a "There is no such page, click HERE to create it" page? Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Next time you're working on the BKT, if you can add whatever licensing is necessary at the bottom especially to indicate the "translations" are also without copyright, etc...and then go proofread a dozen pages ;) Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 20:35, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Much thanks, it doesn't expand but I saw somebody mention it on the general talk page that it was a known problem - so I can't see what the translation status is, but I trust it's in there somewhere. Any idea what I did wrong with The_Book_of_the_Knight_of_the_Tower#How_a_woman_sprange_vpon_the_table where the left and right columns are not of equal width? Oddly before I added paragraph breaks they were of equal width, then the paragraph breaks on the right made the right much narrower. Peace.salam.shalom (talk) 22:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You don't have to fix those quote-apostrophe combos edit

Thank you, but PastLovingBot is saving the day again by doing that to the Waylaid by Wireless pages now, all in succession, as we speak. PseudoSkull (talk) 20:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

consider... edit

@TE(æ)A,ea.: This one was kind of special to me. I appreciate the work you have done, however, check this out: Page:Handbook_of_style_in_use_at_the_Riverside_press,_Cambridge,_Massachusetts_(IA_handbookofstylei00riverich).pdf/15 --RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

edit conflict edit

We had an edit conflict. I chose mostly my version(s). I am wondering if you would like to look it over (since I remember this happening once in my TOL days and not liking it).

Page:Handbook of style in use at the Riverside press, Cambridge, Massachusetts (IA handbookofstylei00riverich).pdf/31--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

abbrev. and spaces edit

According to their style guide, R.P. doesn't put spaces between their abbreviations. Thats the reason I left them out.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:41, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TE(æ)A,ea.: You caught some dumb ones I left tho so only a little complaint here.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikisource:WikiProject Film edit

I've started this, and listed you as a member. Thank you for encouraging it, this was really needed. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:22, 21 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

PotM Archiving edit

I would appreciate an explanation of why archiving the 2020 PotM sections was "bad". This word implies I've been naughty by doing so—not something that I appreciate. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Congressional record page hierarchy edit

Can we look at how this work is being set out and the depth of the subpages?

This Congressional Record/Volume 167/Issue 4/House/Counting Electoral Votes/Pennsylvania Objection Debate/Duncan Speech is very deep and I am wondering whether it needs to be that deep, and we cannot do something shallower with the same effect. Also wondering why none of those subpages have prev/next in them so people can navigate speech to speech rather than having to retreat to the parent page.

Reason for asking is to build the citing template for authors and want to make sure we have the necessary components in place. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:26, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Formatting... edit

<ref>Maggie Haberman, ''Trump Told Crowd, “You Will Never Take Back Our Country with Weakness{{SIC|'',''”''|”,}} N. Y. Times (Jan. 6, 2021).</ref>

The italics in the SIC are inside the SPAN/tooltip generated by {{SIC}}, This means the italics opened outside aren't properly terminated, which was the repair I thought I'd made to this. What's the CORRECT way of doing this so there isn't a missing SPAN generated? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:PD-old edit

Template:PD-old is only supposed to be used when an author has been dead for 100 years. I prefer not to use it at all anyway, but to instead list the author's actual death date. In the case of The Kronstadt Rebellion, the author of that work died in 1936, so as of right now his works are only in the public domain in countries with p.m.a. 80 years or less. Mexico and maybe a few more require 100 years to have passed after the death date of an author to be considered public domain in those countries. PseudoSkull (talk) 01:47, 23 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

please transclude pages properly edit

I should only need to ask once, and fix once. But no. Please transclude page properly. [5] Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Specifically, use <pages index="Index:Foo.djvu" include=7 /> to include only a single page. If you do not do this, you will not get proper handling from the ProofreadPage extension, including, but not limited to: page progress tracking (the bar at the top), index-based CSS, and page numbers. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 22:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Librarian's Copyright Companion is still using direct transclusion with {{Page:}}. Please do not do this. I am asking nicely :-) Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 00:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gold for Brass and Silver for Iron also used direct transclusion from the Page namespace just now. Do you have some problem with using <pages/>?
I know you don't usually reply to messages here, but in this case, could you please indicate that you have seen and understood this message when you see it. I am concerned you have not understood the message, and if so, and Special:Diff/11564508 is not explicit enough, let me know and I can try to explain it differently. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 02:39, 5 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reply on AN edit

Hi. I read your comments at the admins noticeboard and considered your responses to myself and another. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 00:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've just uploaded some works containing illustrations by Frank C. Papé, then found that you have done The Story Without an End. I noted the work at the translator and new author page for Papé. Here is a sample from the Russian tales, he is not subtle but it I think it's good stuff. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 13:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like Rackham, of course, I found the Russian stories alongside this Index:Half a hundred hero tales of Ulysses and the men of old.djvu There is about eight full pages, b&w, feel free to have a go at that too. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 19:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why did you return the ref follow to the top of the page here? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 15:54, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then thanks for fixing it. I corrected another that caused the same problem, an extra line in transclusion, so is the preference of you (and Billingsgate) to move it 'one word in, but at the top' when that happens? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 17:30, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page:The New Negro.pdf/247 edit

I see that you undid my revision on Page:The New Negro.pdf/247. I had put the image in because Lilypond is currently disabled. Do you think it might make sense to keep the image in temporarily until Lilypond is reactivated? Languageseeker (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hmm, transparency.... edit

It can use some work, I had to change the size of the browser window to get everything working but do check it out! --RaboKarbakian (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Header navigation during transclusion edit

When you transclude works like An Indian Study of Love and Death, please make the headers navigable from chapter to chapter so that it's more efficient for readers, as they are ordered in the paper book itself. When I'm reading an e-book I do not want to have to press the back button a lot; I'd like the navigation to be easy and clear.

Also please remember to include the section name in the header for extra clarity, and especially as this needs to come out for exports.

Example: diff PseudoSkull (talk) 03:47, 28 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have requested before that you do not transclude without linking to the next and previous sections of the work within the headers, yet you are doing it again, for example here. I believe consensus would dictate that this should be done. If you disagree with the notion that this should be done in works I would be happy to discuss it, like in the Scriptorium for example. I am planning at some point in the future to somehow automatically fix every work with issues like this, but haven't gotten around to the project yet. I would not like a larger backlog than what already exists.
That being said thank you for working on what you've done, I don't want to come across as a thorn in the back because this is a relatively small complaint about what your works are lacking compared to the works in full. I really do appreciate the hard work you're putting into transcribing interesting old texts at Wikisource. PseudoSkull (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

template:new texts and nowiki edit

Hi. When adding new texts, where the author has no author page, then please add the nowiki = yes code so we don't have a redlink showing on the main page. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

images for the clubs text edit

My club loves that book. One look at it and I knew I must pay the dues they asked to be a member. Anyways, that is enough background and as I am no longer jonesing for tables, I will do these images. For ws and for "the club". Ping me if that is not okay by you.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, I am done for a while. ping me if there isn't more activity with this!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 21:09, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baking Soda.... edit

Do you still have the images that were used to make the DJVU?

I grabbed the images from the DJVU for Magna Carta, it was either that or get PDF of the pages from Hathi and I thought to get them done and they were already pretty much 19th century inkblots with some shape, but the Baking Soda images are a whole different phenomena. There are just three images, I think, as the little line drawing is the same; or so the jello reports so.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's Boris's fault? edit

Peeking around at Recent Changes as I do sometimes, I came across Index:A History and Defence of Magna Charta.djvu. Confused as to the strange pattern of every other page being greyed out, I looked at one of them. "Oh, that's French", says the page. "Its text comes from fr.wikisource.org." So I look, and there's no text. When I click on the mysterious "modifier cette page" it says *you* yes *you* dear confused person can supply the text, please please please!

Is this "not here, not there, not anywhere" condition an interim state? If there is no project page or index over at :fr:WS, why would the text - and only some pages at that - be housed there? If the majority of the text of the work A History and Defence of Magna Charta here is English, why would we force just the frenchy words elsewhere? Is this Brexit gone mad? (And should I be asking all this elsewhere?) Shenme (talk) 05:57, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So... division by page? Ick. It is not entirely idle interest that prompts the questions, as for instance the work I'm currently engaged with e.g. Page:Eminent Chinese Of The Ch’ing Period - Hummel - 1943 - Vol. 1.pdf/465 has a varying amount of Chinese characters and Mandarin Wade-Giles phoneticization included. By accident of history I happen to be equipped to find minor glitches with all of that, enough to be useful to Steve.
And it's not like there's a shortage of mixed texts with admixtures of Latin, etc. I have seen that there does seem a special dispensation for half-n-half texts like Page:Dictionary of the Swatow dialect.djvu/47. But that something like Thurneysen Handbuch des Altirischen 1 Grammatik, which is a text in German about old Irish, might need to be segregated into "uncategorized" Wikisource.
I'll wander off and do that :fr: page and see how things change. To me it would be horrible to have those gaps remain in the resulting work here. Shenme (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The French page does not transclude if referenced using
<pages index="A History and Defence of Magna Charta.djvu" from=250 to=250/>
but just burps out
"Page:A History and Defence of Magna Charta/Great Charter (French)"
even though the page is present over there and shows up here when inspected directly.
And I am absolutely stricken at now finding that the Latin pages have been sent elsewhere e.g. Page:A History and Defence of Magna Charta.djvu/222.
So we've a work that crowns itself with "A true copy from the ORIGINAL FRENCH.", with a section titled A History and Defence of Magna Charta/Great Charter (French) that contains no French, and another section titled A History and Defence of Magna Charta/Great Charter (Latin) stating "The Capitula or articles ..., the original of which in Latin" that contains no Latin!
It just seems so inopportune. That merely because of the original editorial arrangement of text sections, the work has now been split across three wikis? You mentioned already my inquiring further at the Scriptorium. Would you mind my doing so?
This work and its current state just seems a wonderful test case. Does the majority or plurality of the entire work sort the work into a wiki, or do we indulge in some uncertain piecewise hiding or discarding anything not English? Why did I work on this page? It contains *no* English 't'all! Shenme (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

water quality edit


I hope you don't mind the other images. I swear, when I was looking through them, I saw this image and so I found a better version when I was looking for a good (enough, or perhaps "better") USDA seal. I couldn't find it when I looked again, so, here it is if you find where it goes. Fun stuff!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, I shouldn't validate things. I get happy when it is pretty and start pushing buttons.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:15, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Biblical Biology edit

Thank you for validating this work!

I do have a query about this diff. Why have you changed a 1 (one numeral) to an l (lowercase letter l)? A typo, or am I missing something? If it is a printing error it could at least do with a {{SIC}}. BethNaught (talk) 06:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@BethNaught: The paragraph above says "(see Ps. cxix., 105)", so using lowercase Roman numerals for chapter numbers seems consistent, and when it says "let us set our faces as flint (see Isa. l., 7)" Isaiah, chapter 50, verse 7 does say "therefore have I set my face like a flint". I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and say an l was printed; looking at the l's and 1's elsewhere on the page, I don't think I could distinguish them in isolation, between the font choice and the scan quality.--Prosfilaes (talk) 11:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're quite right; it seems I just didn't spot the inconsistency in the transcription. Thank you for the explanation and TE(æ)A,ea. for the great catch! BethNaught (talk) 12:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Undine edit

Back in Feb. 2019, we worked on Undine (1909), probably my favorite set of images, btw. I just looked at the "What Links Here" and it seems it was never entered into "New Texts.

New Texts was an enigma to me; at first, I thought that the entries there had underwent some review process. Then I thought "not that" and that I needed to figure out how to do that, put texts into New texts, that is. But "Announcing my beautiful work" is further down on my list than making them is. So, this week, I stumbled upon where and how to put texts there.

Anyways, now I am asking about Undine. Do you remember 2019? These are by far, the best of the Rackham line drawings....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, there is some problem with the dates there, and that problem might have been me.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:03, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Get a third opinion edit

I'm a volunteer contributing my time, you are seeking to waste it for whatever reason you can come up with. You are interfering in what I'm currently doing with a second revert: how do I stop that? Offer you money? Cygnis insignis (talk) 20:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

lives ... poets and the images edit

I finished with this but I cheated. I reused images when they matched. I had one experiment, with the commons croptool, rotating it 180 degrees. The rotation worked but I should have noted the original dimensions of the image before I started because it cropped it also. It is File:Lives of Poets-Dean Swift-260.jpg if you want me to fix it, okay. If you want to play with the croptool (maybe to a greater success than me) okay. If you prefer to leave it, that is okay also. (the original is linked on the ct product).

Sorry it took so long. Great problems with the mouse here prevented me from using a couple of my apps for a time. I would like to be done with these, so whatever you want so I can be done with them would be great to know.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Contributor relies on section label edit

Hi. With something like this Congratulating Gail Watson for the contributor tag to show, it expects to see a section name, due to their interrelationship. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Wonder Book edit

A Tanglewood Tales was just completed, and I got to thinking about this.

iirc, I was just getting ready to edit (redistribute) the librivox files to match the chapters here when my computer died.

Also, this was a pain with the way the chapters were and I might have left it in disarray.

It never went into New Texts, so, all of these "wonders" and tasks left undone. I am a little afraid to look into the book. We are still on good terms, it seems so maybe there was some forgiveness and additional work on your part because of the mess I probably left it in?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Images edit

Thank you for patrolling edits. A quick note on how I generally process images. Whenever I see an image that is missing or needs improvement, I generally grab the raw jp2 from IA and then submit it to Commons photo lab for processing. I then update the files on WS so that I don’t forget or have to find them again. Generally, the images on Commons get processed fairly quickly. Hope this doesn’t cause too much confusion. Languageseeker (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MND formatting edit

Did you see the work in the Main space? I worked very hard to make it all work with the images. Removing the line breaks and adding <poem> is (probably) going to mess everything up there.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:44, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, it didn't screw things up. But they told me that <poem> was unmaintained at wikibase and to avoid using it. There are templates that it doesn't work with. I don't do everything "they" ask, but sometimes it seems reasonable. On the otherhand, I was going to have to add <br />s to all of the last lines and maybe what you are doing avoids that. But if you don't intend to do everything that way, please stop, meaning, I don't want to clean it up and I am not going to format that way.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 13:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

copied discussion edit

Cygnis insignis: Why did you do this? The page breaks are necessary for export. In addition, why this edit? The formatting as you had it is incorrect. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have directly interfered in my contributions and demanded my attention on more than one occasion recently, so I have and am advising you to do something else other than trying to engage me in an edit war with imagined rules. There is simply no good reason for you to be sucking joy out of contributing here. Sincerely, Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:46, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've explained why I haven't responded: you are edit warring instead making a positive contribution elsewhere. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:54, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Cygnis insignis: I haven’t asked you to explain your lack of responsiveness; I have asked you only to respond. If you do not respond, I will revert your edits, because they are, in my view, wrong. I have asked you to respond and explain why you believe your edits are correct; but if you do not, there is no reason to maintain the older revision, because I only understand my reasoning for reverting your edits, and not your reason for reverting mine. To the extent that “do something else” (or “contribut[e] elsewhere”) is your justification, it is fallacious; Wikisource is a collaborative project, and one cannot claim exclusive dominion over workspace. As I have noticed that the formatting was incomplete, and that there were no page breaks on this page where there should be several, I fixed those problems; and you cannot revert them and demand my absence to justify reversions. I will not revert immediately, pending further discussion; but, that failing, I will revert. As an additional note, please remove the copy of this discussion which you added to my talk page; it does not need to be duplicated, as it is relevant only to this page. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Your ping didn't work. What you are effectively saying is that you are entitled to 'dominion' over my time here with whatever spurious notion you can come up with, like starting an edit war on a recent index I was attempting to check and organise. What was the verdict there? You have expressed your distaste in the strongest possible terms, yet you seem fascinated with finding a way of interacting with me, take up my time, getting in my face. Read a book and stop being a bother. Cygnis insignis (talk) 20:04, 27 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        @Cygnis insignis: A fundamental aspect of a collaborative project is to discuss issues on which there is disagreement, including in particular to explain one's reasoning on such issues. Your personalisation of this issue, with attendant accusations and apparent attempt to make those who disagree with you to "do something else", is inappropriate. Such discussions are not "wasting your time" but rather a fundamental aspect of how these projects operate and it is not optional. Xover (talk) 05:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Maggie Browne edit

Died in 1937. A Brit. A problem? --RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:17, 2 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Published in Boston. I'm going for it....--RaboKarbakian (talk) 16:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Father's Legacy to his Daughters edit

Would you mind if I split this into individual chapters? Languageseeker (talk) 05:15, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About your edit edit

I must protest at this edit, on grounds that it is not appropriate for an admin to say something factually inaccurate and very, very, very negative about another editor, and then immediately close the discussion so that the other person cannot respond in the same thread. The point is that this creates a completely misleading impression for anyone reading the archives. Nor is it appropriate for a comment to be removed because it was added literally two minutes after the thread was erroneously closed. Either both comments should be removed or both should stand. James500 (talk) 15:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If needed I can reopen the thread (revert the close) so we can either remove my comment or add James' reply—I don't particularly care which—and then re-close it (someone please let me know). James: I closed the thread because the outcome of the deletion discussion was clear (and had been actioned). Your one-sided beef with me is entirely irrelevant to that issue, and thus also to the process at WS:PD. Xover (talk) 16:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Xover, I think the thread should be reopened (not to discuss the outcome but to fix the issue with the comments, in whatever way the involved parties will decide). Mpaa (talk) 17:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mpaa: Re-opened (but I’m on mobile so I might’ve messed it up). Please take whatever steps are relevant towards resolving the issue within some reasonable time frame. Xover (talk) 17:40, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Xover, thanks. Got enough RL deadlines to keep up with already ... That page has been there since long, nobody will die if this is not closed instantly :-) Mpaa (talk) 21:45, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A request _About Tamil proverbs contributions edit

RE:Fables edit

I'm happy to help, TEA. And you are correct about the drop-initials, I'll mark them, and I'll use plain letters instead of images from other books. I would like to take this opportunity to ask you a wikisource question: That book has a glossary, and I would like to append to it an additional glossary, made by me (wiki users), to help the reader further. This involves adding links the words in the book that send you to that glossary. What would be the good way to do it? —Genesis Bustamante (talk) 22:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TE(æ)A,ea.: I'm glad you know about this! Yes, using tooltips was a very bad decision of mine, which I reject in favour of hyperlinks. The Annotation paradigm looks fascinating, and thank you for telling me about it, TEA. But I can't proceed yet, because I have doubts about "separation" of "the original" and "the annotated": In the original text, can I add links that point to the annotated glossary? Can I use {{ua}} to present extra glossary, in the original text? And lastly, if the book has an Errata page, is it appropriate to make hyperlinks to it? thanks again. —Genesis Bustamante (talk) 20:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'll use that errata template. Regarding the remainder, correct me if I misunderstood your approach: The only page with annotated version would be the Glossary, and the original version of the text can have links to it, as well as links to the original Glossary, thus the export will have the annotated Glossary —and the original Glossary— and links to it.
(I hope you don't mind more questions) what's your comment on the appropriateness of these ideas?
  1. Create a different and new Glossary without the contents of the original, with a title like 'More Glossary by Wikisource', with words that are not in the original Glossary. I suppose that for being a user creation it will have to have an URL with 'Annotated' in it.
  2. Create an annotated version of every page, link everything there, the original version stays minimal. The recreation of 200 pages will be painful, but the annotated content can be added in advance (I really like that) with {{annotation}} and {{annotation switch}}.
    1. Use plain wikilinks instead of —and without— reference tags, so that the reader only clicks once to be sent the glossary entry. I like the idea of the definition being written once. —Genesis Bustamante (talk) 00:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oh, no no, in (1) I meant a Glossary page with a different URL, as in 'Glossary part 2, by Wikisource', coexisting with the original. However, an extended Glossary can work too, filled with {{annotation}}s; I'll go with this.
So, with that, I am inclined to choose the long (2) (any hopes of a batch page creation?), because it keeps open the possibility of adding extra-glossary with {{ua}} to the original text, as well as the possibility of a modern-spelling no-glossary version, thanks to the promising {{annotation switch}}. Any comments?
Now perhaps my final question. Yes, it's possible to make wikilinks work in the export, I tested this using anchor templates and checked it in my phone and e-reader. But it does not present you a nice popup —like <ref>—, instead it sends you to the page with focus on the anchored section. So, Should I opt for wikilinks (in Annotated)? Or is there perhaps conventions, rules against it, or in favour of <ref>? I would like to read them. Thank you. —Genesis Bustamante (talk) 02:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thank you very much for guiding me. I'll do that and follow the policies. Do you have a suggestion for the name of the no-glossary version? I have 'Modern Spelling' and 'No Glossary'. —Genesis Bustamante (talk) 18:44, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I realized that I don't know what the modernised requires. Would it entail modernising every word in the text? There is also the distinction between "modern english" (grammar, vocabulary) and "modern spelling" (what letters to use to write a word), and one can be done without doing the other; or both things can be done. If it entails modernising the whole text, is this done with the Annotation paradigm and templates? —Genesis Bustamante (talk) 22:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Out of Scope Texts edit

Please read Wikisource:What Wikisource includes#Second-hand transcriptions. If you want to have a broader discussion of this, you can convert them to a delete. Languageseeker (talk) 13:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Country, Home and Liberty edit

Why did you choose to use blackletter? The source does not use blackletter type. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:25, 5 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts/The Big Parade edit

Did you still want to work on this, or would it be okay if I took it? Trying to clean the waiting items out of the drafts page. PseudoSkull (talk) 21:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Anne of Geierstein edit

EncycloPetey: It is complete; I just kept the various tags, as this discussion was ongoing. Also, can you provide a hyper-link to the PLoI scan of Anne of Geierstein below, please? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To what end? It is a poor scan, possibly cobbled together, definitely with serious issues such as missing pages. PLoI scans should not be used. The Univ. of Lib. at Toronto has scans of the original three-volume printing. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:39, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As a Man Thinketh edit

File:AsAManThinketh - temp screenshot PM.png

Please do not remove these cleanup header claiming that the problem is fixed, when it clearly has not been fixed. There are no {{Header}} templates on the chapter pages, as required by our Style Guide. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:03, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At right is a screenshot of the code for Chapter 1 as an example. There is no header template on this or any of the other chapters of the work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please review Wikisource:Style guide#Formatting item number 1. Please do not remove templates under false claims. None of the chapter pages has a {{Header}} template. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Use of the pages tag will generate a header, but this is a "quick-and-dirty" way to get a work assembled, and is not recommended. To complete a work, the {{Header}} template should be present on all the pages, not simply a pages tag. The pages tag is not only insufficient to meet the Style Guide requirements of Header templates being present, but its functionality violates several point pf the Style Guide as well. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Helping with the West Coast Task Force edit

I saw that you helped with the table formatting for the Quartz Reefs book a week or so ago; much appreciated. User:KAynsley and I are still learning the intricacies of Wikisource. Would you be interested in helping out with other volumes we're working on? The West Coast Task Force is working with public libraries to make Wikisource EPUBs available through their ebook lending system, and we're having good uptake from local readers, with support for training up librarians in other areas to help. It would be great to have some experienced Wikisourcerers helping with the more technical aspects. If you're interested, add yourself to the project page. Thanks! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 21:21, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Obsolete markup edit


I just ran across Index:MU KPB 050 Alice's adventures in Wonderland - by Lewis Carroll.pdf where you've used {{bc|<center>{{asc|Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland}}</center>{{rule}}}} for the running header. Is this construction a deliberate choice for some reason I'm not seeing? Why not simply {{c|{{asc|Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland}}}}{{rule}}? Xover (talk) 10:31, 2 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quartz Reefs index problem edit

I've just transcluded Quartz Reefs of the West Coast Mining District, New Zealand but there's an issue with the rendering of the index. Would you be able to take a look when you have a moment and let me know what I've done wrong there? Many thanks. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 23:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just FYI: this page is currently broken due to exceeding the hard MediaWiki post-include expansion limit. The dot leaders are making these two book pages alone about 1.6MB of rendered HTML. I've pretty much done what optimisations I can on the back end, so it's unlikely this can be fixed without foregoing the dot leaders. Xover (talk) 21:00, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"breaks" edit

Reverting with the single word summary "breaks" is rather unhelpful. In order to fix anything I'll need to know what breaks, where, and how. That is, on what page or pages you see something breaking; what part or area of the page is broken; and in what way it's broken (typically by comparing what it should look like and what it does look like). Xover (talk) 08:06, 18 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mail edit

I've sent you an email. --Ferien (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

w:WP:BRI edit

Please do not edit war with vandals like the one you have just been interacting with, especially if it's on a talk or other non-reader-facing page. They want your attention, and you're just motivating them to continue wasting your time and leaving more of their vandalism visible in page histories. Admins will eventually notice (and you don't even seem to have reported it to Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard, which would have sped the process up a lot). 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 19:14, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

UDR edit

Hi, Files of your undeletion request have been temporarly restored. The license needs to be fixed, but there are 496 of them. How do you plan to do it? Regards, Yann (talk) 09:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Banned? Definitely not :-) edit

Hello. You are one of the least likely people here to be afraid of being banned, and nothing of that kind can happen after what we have witnessed at the Copyright discussions recently. Your contributions are always good-willed, civil, and relevant to the point of discussion. Keep the good work! Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks edit

Just wanted to say thanks for your help on Proclamation 4482! Seems I missed the proclamation when I initially went on the Jan. 24 version. Much appreciated. Packer1028 (talk) 03:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

News from the West Coast Task Force edit


ELLO from our West Coast Wikisource project. There's been quite a bit uploaded recently, so a quick list of things you might be interested in helping with.

  • Baughan, Blanche Edith. (1898). Verses. A medium-sized poetry collection; the table of contents has been created but otherwise lots of poems to transcribe.
  • — (1912). Brown Bread from a Colonial Oven: Being Sketches of Up-country Life in New Zealand. Short stories evoking colonial life, easy to transcribe but lots of apostrophes (which we should try and do as curly single quotes). I love the little illustrations in this one—it would be great to get them in Commons in high res.
  • — (1923). Poems from the Port Hills. Very short poetry book; try out your poetry formatting.
  • Drummond, James. (1907.) The Life and Work of Richard John Seddon. We've solved the problem of the missing page, so it's now a matter of proofing and validating the text. I need to upload the plates into Commons.
  • Faris, Irwin. (1941). Charleston: Its Rise and Decline. The photos are all in Commons and just need to be inserted into pages, and validated, and then we're done.
  • Hickey, Patrick Hodgens. (1925). "Red" Fed. Memoirs. Fascinating and short labour history, almost all just text. A quick proofread.
  • Reid, R. C. (1886) (2nd Edition) Rambles on the Golden Coast of New Zealand. I've uploaded all the ornate capitals and page ornaments (which include the ones in this post) to Commons, so all that's left to do is add them to pages.

Lots more books coming, but some of these we can polish off quickly so they can be loaned out as library books. Drop me a line if anything's not clear or leave a message on the book's Talk page. Happy proofreading! —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 09:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page:Brinkley - Japan - Volume 6.djvu/373 edit

nice work, thanks. Stamlou (talk) 20:13, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A little trouble with Beautiful Shells of New Zealand edit

Hi there; a little trouble getting the transcluded book to render plate images properly. Could you take a look if you have a moment and see what might be going wrong with Beautiful_Shells_of_New_Zealand? Many thanks. — Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 09:21, 10 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Astounding Stories edit

Hello. Briefly checking at Stanford Database, it seems that only the issues May-Aug. 1936 of the Astounding Stories were renewed. May I ask where did you find the information about renewal of Index:Astounding Stories 1936-03.pdf and Index:Astounding Stories 1936-04.pdf? -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 00:13, 11 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Year categories edit

Can you please point me to the decision where this was decided? Should we delete all of these categories then? --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:28, 21 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sections edit

Hi. When building pages with contributors as the "authors" it is important that you put in a section name. If there is no section name, then the contributor field does not display, and instead we have a concealed author (not displayed, though linked and appearing in Category:Works with non-existent author pages). You can see how I mean by looking at special:diff/12922671, pre and post. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:03, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmm, also trying to understand why you haven't done relative linking in the work and instead have a hard title line, and no links to the adjacent articles in the work. It seems contrary to our guidance in the style guide. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:59, 15 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Special thanks for your proofreading edit

Thank you very much for your careful proofreading of Nihongi! I hope this document will be useful to many people. --CES1596 (talk) 17:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

images in Category:Arthur Rackham (Hudson) edit

Hi. Would you please go back and put completed {{information}} templates in place for each of the images in this category. We also need to know why they are at Wikisource rather than at Commons. If it is due to copyright reasons, then please look to utilise {{do not move to Commons}} with the directory derivative form, Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page scan faulty edit

When I click to edit the scan it is not at the original scan size. I had to make it larger to see a minute entry but when I reset the page it goes back to the hugely magnified version and not the original scan. The button with the magnifying glass only appears before I start to edit. I notice that this happens on all my pages. Please look and see if I can find a fix: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Discovery_and_Decipherment_of_the_Trilingual_Cuneiform_Inscriptions.djvu/220 Daytrivia (talk) 04:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

fixing transclusions edit

Hi. You moved some Page: ns pages, and have broken transclusions. Would you mind fixing those. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music edit

The version that I have uploaded excludes the appendices containing arguably infringing content. There is literally nothing on this page other than the public domain text of the decision of the court. BD2412 T 21:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Listen TE(æ)A,ea., I fear you're going to take this as just more evidence of how evil I am, but please, please, believe that I am honestly trying my best to give you good advice, for your benefit, and not just for the project as a whole. I understand that you're angry with me, and why you're angry, and I don't take it personally: you are absolutely convinced that you're right and so any opposition to it comes across as evil, incompetence, or stupidity to you.
But even if we assume that you are entirely right on all counts, the way you are now acting in relation to this has crossed over into no longer being constructive contributions to the project. Your repeated attacks on me are not ok, not because they're aimed at me but because it is not appropriate behaviour on the project at all. Trying to hold the non-copyright parts of Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music hostage—by nominating them for speedy, opening a parallel discussion, and edit-warring—is disrupting the project to try to prove a point. And your refusal to listen to the arguments of other community members is not acceptable on a collaborative project.
This behaviour is the kind that is likely to eventually get you blocked. And let me be perfectly clear on this: that's not in any way, shape, or form a threat. It is friendly advice that the way you are going about this is likely to eventually cause that outcome if you're not able to curb your frustration. Like all the rest of us you are of course entirely free to express your opinion, but you've got to find a way to do so constructively. Xover (talk) 11:38, 25 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Signatures edit

Hi. The template {{signature}} is better than nothing, but it cannot be considered a sufficient replacement for the image of the signature. Although the signature may seem illegible to us, somebody else may be able to read or recognize it, while from the {{signature}} nobody recognizes anything, and so the page using this template cannot be considered fully proofread and remains problematic. -- Jan Kameníček (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January 2023 Monthly Challenge edit

Are all of those works from January? Or has the categorization system changed this year? --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So that means there were 83 active works in January? I've created cats for the months since the start of this year. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New texts edit