Hello Kathleen.wright5, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here.

You'll find an (incomplete) index of our works listed at Wikisource:Works, although for very broad categories like poetry you may wish to look at the categories like Category:Poems instead.

Please take a glance at our help pages (especially Adding texts and Wikisource's style guide). Most questions and discussions about the community are in the Scriptorium.

The Community Portal lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page!—Zhaladshar (Talk) 13:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kathleen, it's nice to put a name to all the good edits, and it is great to see renewed interest in the Easton's project. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)



Yes, I'd send the former to WS:DEL, since the proofs for God's existence are definitely part of the Pensees; there's no need to have them on another page.

And in response to your first question, all a bureaucrat does is make users into sysops/bureaucrats, rename users, and assign bot flags to accounts.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 17:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Dead sea scrollsEdit

That's a tricky one. I'd say remove all the Korean text and then clean up the English text so that it looks like just one document. Right now, it looks like it's got both a Korean and an English translation. Of course, I have no idea how accurate the document will be without the Korean text (maybe the Korean contains portions of the scroll that isn't in English yet).—Zhaladshar (Talk) 13:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)



I disagree with the way you are tagging and categorising subpages.

Firstly, I don't agree with adding {{PD-old}} to subpages like Flora Australiensis/Volume V/Addendum; it suffices to template Flora Australiensis and leave it at that.

Secondly, here you add Category:Incomplete texts without a source to Flora Australiensis/Volume V/Addendum. The entire text may be incomplete, but that subpage is complete. Either you're marking the entire text as incomplete, in which case marking Flora Australiensis/Volume 5 suffices; or you're marking that particular subpage as incomplete, in which case you are wrong. I can't see any merit in marking incomplete every single subpage of an incomplete text, even the complete ones. All that does is overpopulate the category, thus obfuscating what is complete and what is not.

Hesperian 14:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Template messagesEdit

Hi Kat! I see you've worked extensively at cleaning up Wikisource:Template messages. I'd suggest including a small description after each template link (at least for the licensing templates), so users don't have to access all those pages looking for the right template. I've been on here for 6 months, and I don't know any templates memory besides PD-old and PD-70! :) Thanks, - Mtmelendez 17:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)



Could you please replace {{PD-old}} by {{PD-1923}} instead of removing the template? Thanks, Yann 07:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your answer. I have asked Hesperian some precisions about this. Thanks, Yann 10:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

great workEdit

You are doing a great job. If you do some work on proofreading, such as WS:PotM, I reckon you are ready to be given the mop around here. John Vandenberg (chat) 23:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries. We need more admins! hint, hint :-) John Vandenberg (chat) 12:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
You are doing a great job, and I can understand that you want to finish that task before moving on to another. I have commented on PG-au. John Vandenberg (chat) 12:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

categorizing subpagesEdit


I noticed you've been categorizing subpages of Discoveries in Australia. However, convention is not to categorize these pages because they "inherit" the property from the parent page. And it also keeps the categories cleaner because most people won't be searching for when chapter 3 of volume 1 of a work was published, but rather when the actual work itself was.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 14:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You are still adding categories to sup-pages, like The suppressed Gospels and Epistles of the original New Testament of Jesus the Christ/Chapter 23. We do not categorise subpages unless the category doesnt apply to the entire work. It is very very rare that we want pages containing a "/" to have a category. Please discuss if you are unsure. John Vandenberg (chat) 13:46, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
In addition to rolling back your changes to these to sets of subpages, I have deleted Category:Discoveries in Australia and Category:Two expeditions into the interior of Southern Australia as we dont create categories to contain all pages within a work, except in rare situations such as Encyclopedia. Also, all subpages can be reached via Prefixindex; e.g. Special:Prefixindex/Two expeditions into the interior of Southern Australia.
Also I've commented at Talk:Transwiki:Constitution of Republika Srpska.
Finally, I see you have been doing a lot of repetitive work, like removing PD-old from pages that didnt need it. We have bots that can do this very quickly; feel free to make requests at WS:BOTR. If it is too hard to a bot to do, we will simply say so.
I've gone back through most of your contributions, and they are looking good except the ones I have reverted. I tried to be careful not to remove good edits that were intermingled with the additions of the cats. You've been doing a great job, and I am sorry we havent more documentation in place to assist new users like yourself who ramp up quickly into administration type edits. I hope you are not discouraged by this. John Vandenberg (chat) 14:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I have reverted this, as that page is a subpage, and shouldnt be categorised into Category:2004 works as the entire work was published in 2004. CIA World Fact Book, 2004 is already in Category:2004 works. --John Vandenberg (chat) 00:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


Good to see you have started on the proofreading, with gusto. Please see Index talk:Wind in the Willows (1913).djvu, esp. in regards to replacing the single quotes with double quotes. If you are unsure on anything, ask on that talk page. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

But please dont worry about correcting the pages you have already done. Someone else will need to verify them, and the quotes can be fixed then. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

EBD ArticlesEdit

Take a look at this:

I think all we have to do is intercut the content with the headers, paste them into pages, and add more links if you want. What to do think? --Carlaude 00:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Brundtland ReportEdit


Why did you remove the Category:United Nations from this work? I don't see the point of having Category:Reports by the World Commission on Environment and Development, as this commission has only published one report, and doesn't exist anymore. Regards, Yann 10:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, also for proofreading this work. It is in my TODO list for a long time... Yann 10:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvuEdit

Thanks for proofreading some of the pages, ut there is a problem. As you saw, I marked some of them as problematic. This is because in words like "muft" (must) there is in f, instead of the correct ſ (long s). diego_pmc 05:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

redundant pagesEdit

You deleted On the Westminster Confession of Faith as redundant; which page is it redundant to? I cant see the duplicate.

See also Wikisource:Scriptorium#CSD_G4 where I am proposing that G4 be dropped from our CSD list. I've been meaning to propose this for a while; your use of it only reminded me to do so. John Vandenberg (chat) 05:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

OK. Great detective work! Should Westminster Confession of Faith be mentioned on Author:Archibald Alexander Hodge ? John Vandenberg (chat) 05:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

In regards to Statute of Anne, I have restored it and explain myself here. Again, great sleuthing finding these dups; it shows how important it is that we add works into year based categories. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

PD-India + PD-oldEdit


Why do you think it necessary to have both templates PD-India + PD-old? [1] It seems that PD-India is redondant here. Yann 23:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

use page imageEdit

Hi, Pages that transclude the {{use page image}} template are problematic by definition; it is an error to validate them. Hesperian 23:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Rampa StoryEdit

Don't suppose I can convince you to split? :) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Charles Spurgeon 07:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, the splitting is fairly easy, just make a list at the top reading *[[/Chapter I|Chapter I]] (The / means it will create as a sub-page), then click it to copy/paste in the text from the main page. Once all is done, you'll eventually want a header on each page as well. If you need help, don't hesitate to ask Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Charles Spurgeon 17:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


I create {{Blockeduser}}. Feel free to tweak it as is needed. --Sunstar NW XP 14:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

nb: this is at {{blocked user}} now; Cheers, Jack Merridew 08:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


There is a discussion at Wikisource:Possible copyright violations#Template:PD-manifesto about the use of {{PD-manifesto}} on speeches.--BirgitteSB 17:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

'populate' and DNBEdit

Hi Kathleen. With the DNB project we are currently creating the corresponding author pages and will be adding the relevant biographies and listing them on these Author pages once they are transcribed. If you see Category:Contributors to DNB this is an indicator that we will populate these pages when the transcription is done. It may save a little effort on your behalf --billinghurst (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Descriptive accountEdit

Thankyou. Hesperian 05:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


Thank you for the assistance with the new author pages. :) Durova (talk) 07:06, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Author:C. J. DennisEdit

I did it. Yann (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi there!!! It's me from Wikipedia!! I haven't seen you around w:c:WikiChristian. Where have you been?--God'sGirl94 (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I've been busy at Christianity Knowledge Base aka Wikia:Christianity. Kathleen.wright5 22:16, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Ahhhhh. Guess what!! I made a Christian Fiction Wiki!!--God'sGirl94 (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


Gday. You had a play with Propaganda after it was uploaded. I was looking at it and wondered whether it may be {{copyvio}}. Author died 1995 and it was written 1928. Do you know anything about it? Its copyright status? Or were you just passing? -- billinghurst (talk) 11:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Didn't want to tread somewhere if a fellow admin knew something. I have asked on the user's talk page about their knowledge of the work. -- billinghurst (talk) 13:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


hello Kathleen,

thank you for your work on Occult Japan. Just a small remark : before you mark a page as proofread, please also correct its formatting (paragraphs, etc), not just the text itself : http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Page:Occult_Japan_-_Lovell.djvu/18&oldid=1171009

ThomasV (talk) 13:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


Cheers for validating the Flecker pages. I see single and double spacing between the paragraphs in the intro, but I put off deciding what do about that. Cygnis insignis (talk) 15:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for proofingEdit

Thanks for proofreading Inge's The Victorian Age. I thought it a nice read. If you have a small proofing project you would like done, let me know. --Mkoyle (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The Jewish ManualEdit

A job well done! --Eliyak T·C 00:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

EBD linksEdit

I have been working on EBD – Copying pages from Christ Notes and pasting them in; then putting in appropriate links to other EBD articles.

I saw that the scripture references in some of the articles are linked to the Book of the Bible from which they come. This to me seems not very useful, so I have not been doing it. If we could link them to the actual verses in some WS Bible it would be grand, but I don’t see how at this time. --MathMan64 (talk) 19:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

South Australia Proclamation & Marble HillEdit

Thank you Kathleen for the South Australia Proclamation Founding Document work you have done. I invite you to review the former summer Vice Regal Residence Marble Hill Discussion webpage as I'd appreciate your constructive comment.Mifren (talk) 13:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

A note about Validation month,Edit

To let you know that an edit of yours completed the first validation of a work for the month. So now I have had the joy of needing to edit the script to +1 / -1 from the rotation, and it is only early on 3 Nov. Congrats!   billinghurst (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

And another! 2 from 2. billinghurst (talk) 01:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

My mental image =Edit

You do know that I have this mental image of you dancing through a field of Index: pages, with your little wand, tapping on Page: after Page: bringing little blossoms of validation.   Hi by the way. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

THAT was beautiful!—and so true! Best thing I've read all day! Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Olney HymnsEdit

Before you devote too much time formatting this work, it might interest you to know that it already exists at Olney Hymns. I contributed the Cowper hymns. I don't why somebody added the djvu pages. ResScholar (talk) 04:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Diacritic templatesEdit

You have broken every one of those templates by inserting a carriage return before the noinclude. Hesperian 14:39, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Ta. Hesperian 23:02, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi, time permitting...was hoping you could revise the DNB01 template to include the documentation found on Template:DNB01/doc to help explain the process to the newbies. Thanks in advance. JamAKiska (talk) 00:08, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks...that would have taken me a while. Comparing this presentation Crawley, Richard (DNB01) to this one Baker, Geoffrey (DNB00), could you modify the DNB01 template to mirror the linking attributes that DNB00 possesses? Specifically not have the Wiki link default to on with no name, include a volume identification, and ensure the lateral links work? Again, time permitting...thank-you. JamAKiska (talk) 03:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC) Appreciate the help...Charles picked up at the point you indicated...JamAKiska (talk)

Please see User talk:JamAKiska#Re:Template:DNB01 and Template talk:DNB01 -- Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

year parameter in headerEdit

Gday,Kathleen. I am wondering whether you are aware that we have been using the year parameter in {{header}} rather than adding [[Category:YYYY works]]. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:02, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Did you enjoy Mrs Caudle's curtain lectures?Edit

It was a weird little work to put together and throw the images in. Once we have it complete, I would like to nominate it for Wikisource:Featured text candidates. — billinghurst sDrewth 17:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Elephant stamp
for job well done.
billinghurst (talk)
What a bloody marvellous effort on the little works! Congrats. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:58, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Index:Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922).djvuEdit

Thanks for your work on this! This one is a twofer - as the sections are finished, we're also copying them into corresponding theme articles on Wikiquote (see, e.g. Flowers). Cheers! BD2412 T 16:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


As you probably noticed, I've moved any non-wikisource-relevant userboxes into the User: namespace, including three into yours. I took the liberty of replacing them on your user page to avoid giving you a set of red links. I hope that's OK, sorry for the intrusion. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 03:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Index:Views in Suffolk, Norfolk, and Northamptonshire.djvuEdit

Would you be so kind to stomp out the few remaining pages. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Someone has made a grab for your crown of the finisher! It's completed. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:32, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Page:Gertie's sun flower.djvu/9Edit

Thank you for validating Gertie's sun flower. I noticed that you've marked this page as having a problem; currently I've used {{float left}} and {{float right}} for the flowers along the border, which, when viewed side by side with the scan, pushes the text below the flowers. However, in the work, the spacing appears to be enough to allow them all to fit somewhat nicely. It only drops them if I reduce my browser size by roughly 30%. If this is the problem you see, do you think I should reduce the size of the images? - Theornamentalist (talk) 20:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Image in 1901 Supplement volume 1.Edit

Removed text as was able to find way to display the image of George Smith. Please take another look. To me, the image speaks for itself. Thanks for your help…JamAKiska (talk) 16:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


The page title and number are not left on the page [2], please find out about {{Running header}} and what the [+] button does. There seem to be several standard practices that you are unaware of, if you use a watchlist you will have seen many comments on what you missed.

Secondly, while I am here, when I mark a page as problematic it is for a reason. Please don't mark pages as proofread unless the problem is resolved. cygnis insignis 06:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Horse shoes and horse shoeingEdit

dear Kathleen, first of all THANKS for your interest about Index:Horse shoes and horse shoeing.djvu! But I've bad news... the djvu I chose is faulty. Page 17 (original "paper" number) is lacking. I'm thinking about the best fixing strategy; I hate to ask for the help of a sysop, to help me into the tedious work of moving pages to align them to the new djvu file I'll upload; so I presume that at end I'll simply move texts of the pages.... perhaps wasting your validations! So, I can't promise that your work will not be wasted; feel free to slow down your validation work, or to stop it at all and to move to other, better books uploaded by a more careful user. :-(

Thanks again. --Alex brollo (talk) 08:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Proofread pages have been aligned with new djvu file. I moved texts manually into the right pages. I apologyze for the fact that your validation - while is saved into pages history - is no more the last contribution. :-(
"Red pages" will be deleted (they only contain the OCR text layer, it will be re-uploaded as soon as they will be created again) --Alex brollo (talk) 09:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
All's OK, I fixed page 429. Do you know that you can paste and copy text layer from djvu file? I did so - since I can't upload djvu text layer into an existing page. :-) --Alex brollo (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Carson CistulliEdit

This page is actually within copyright, the articles are taken from The New Enthusiast which is within the public domain.-- 00:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Here are the citations:

All were taken from [WikiCommons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Carson_Cistulli].-- 00:42, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

So, could you please restore this page, it was an enormous task to make.-- 00:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Looking at what you have posted and to what you linked, my comment would be
  • That it is at archive.org does automatically not put it into the public domain, there is no clear statement on the publication that it is within the public domain.
  • It would need a clear statement from the copyright holder to be hosted, and that should be undertaken for the file at Commons (and those files are now so annotated).
  • please demonstrate how the work fits within Wikisource:What Wikisource includes, to me it seems borderline that it would meet that criteria as it would seem to be a self-published newsletter, rather than some work that has had a level of peer review.

billinghurst sDrewth 02:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi billinghurst,

First thank you for your interest and willingness to help out in this project. It's possible that I've made a mistake, here's what I'm seeing: I found these in wikicommons and on the wikicommons page for each of these it says that there is a "Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported license" attached, hence that one is free "to share - to copy, distribute and transmit the work", in double checking this at the original page archive.org I see something similar -- In "description," "Creative Commons license: Attribution 3.0 United States", and in "Licenseurl" "http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/us/". Finally the publisher is named The Shuttlecoque Sporting Club, i.e. the writers

The question of relevancy is seperate and one I'd like to discuss elsewhere and after the first question of copyright. I'm firmly committed to improving wikisource and wikipedia in writing about contemporary american poetry, the last thing I want to do is add irrelevant material, again, I'll start a discussion about this in Carson Cistulli after the copyright discussion is resolved,

Thanks, -- 03:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


I'm curious whether you are perhaps blissfully unaware of your participation in quite a few small, slow edit wars such as this one, and this one, and this one, and this one. Hesperian 04:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Try this oneEdit


Thanks for all your wonderful help!Edit

Most recently on Index:John James Audubon (Burroughs).djvu and The Art of Nijinsky. Thank you so much! Regards, Mattisse (talk) 15:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Coates validationEdit

Wow!—Thanks for the validation spree! Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Dear SadieEdit

As we select the PotM for March, do you have something that tickles your fancy from the list? Wikisource talk:Proofread of the Monthbillinghurst sDrewth 11:47, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi, and thanks for helping with the Swedish grammar pages! I noticed you changed a couple of instances of æ to œ in the text -- I'm really not sure that is correct, although the letter does rather look like œ in the scan. For example, wikt:norræna is written with an æ and I don't think œ is even used in the Scandinavian languages... If you look at a cursive font like Monotype Corsiva in MS Word, the æ actually looks pretty close to how it's written in the scan. Hope you don't mind if I change it back. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 00:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've changed it back to "æ". I think that weird letter would be a thorn (eg. þeirra). Jafeluv (talk) 02:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Hmm... Maybe thorn with stroke? Jafeluv (talk) 07:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Same for me, apparently you'd need to download some kind of exotic font set to get it to display correctly. I added it as an image for now. Jafeluv (talk) 16:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Wikitable formatting on - Page:A simplified grammar of the Swedish language.djvu/38 is not working.Edit

Fixed -- I seem to have added a section begin tag on the same line with the table. Apparently a wikitable should always begin at the end of the line, otherwise it isn't recognized as table markup. Thanks for pointing that out. Jafeluv (talk) 11:48, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Favour to askEdit

Something is not right at Special:PrefixIndex/The_Great_Salvation, I have just fixed links from The Great Salvation/Part Four however it is not hanging together and there is a real mishmash in the naming. Your review would be helpful. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Incentive to carry on...Edit

Just a "thank you" for your continued validation of Mrs. Coates' Mine and Thine pages :) Every time I think about scanning more pages,—I "think again" and instead get to some other busy-work... But then when I see you've come a-validating, I set out to get back on track again! Appreciated! :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 22:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)


Sry 2 bother u, but u were the last "administrator" who edited the project (that I can tell), I wonder if u could do me a favour and upload http://www.archive.org/details/romanceofisabell00burt to The Romance of Isabel, Lady Burton so I could work on proofreading it? Thx!

Sorry, I don't know how upload djvu files, User:Billinghurst can do that for you. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 02:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Please stopEdit

There was method in my madness but now its all gone to pieces. I'll sort it out. Moondyne (talk) 07:46, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

OK, noted. I'm aware I'm not following best practice but am sort of working alone on this so if you wouldn't mind leaving it, it'd be appreciated. I wont be transcluding any pages until the images are inserted. Moondyne (talk) 07:56, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I've rethunk my system and will be happy to mark those as problematic. I hope I didn't offend you yesterday. Moondyne (talk) 07:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

your fixesEdit

Thanks for fixes on the Tales, and the validation. I'm still trying to make the format work, it is a bit fiddly, and I noticed that I had missed quite a bit. Cheers, CYGNIS INSIGNIS

Stops of Various QuillsEdit

Thank you for all of your help here! I am going to try to get the text featured-eligible, but I need to research the guidelines/criteria a bit more first... I think it would make a good candidate, though! Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:17, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


Thanks Kathleen for your validations to Index:Horse shoes and horse shoeing.djvu! I only hope that such a strange topic is interesting for you. In the meantime - if you are interested to tricks issues - you'll perhaps noted an interesting way to solve the trouble of citations splitted into two pages; you'll find an example into page 499-page 500. And what do you think about my exotic way to manage hyphenated words by noinclude tag followed by {{St}}? Are you comfortable with it? --Alex brollo (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

It will be a pleasure to work a little bit with your book - i found that the fastest way to get images from a book is to use my OCR software (FineReader 10) but I'll take the opportunity to explore jp2 format. have I to transform images into B/W, or in gray, or have I to save the original background color?
PS: I'll find more comfortable to go on with our talk here, in your talk page, and I guess that it will be comfortable for you too. --Alex brollo (talk) 06:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Index:Horsemanship for Women.djvu isn't my book, it was uploaded by User:Eliyak in January this year. I left a message on his talk page about it but he hasn't got back to me. I don't anything about image formats—they're just ordinary line drawings. Click on one of the Problematic pages and you're see what I mean. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 07:48, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Alex: hello again! Kathleen, sorry to intrude. Alex, you might want to take a look at {{hyphenated word start}} and {{hyphenated word end}} (redirects are at "hws" and "hwe" for speed). This is the "canonical" way to do hyphenated words at enWS. The internal structure is somewhat similar to using {{st}}, but they are specifically for hyphenated words, but {{st}} is for general other uses.
Also, you don't need to no-include a "follow" ref - these do not show up in the text, they just get added to the reflist.
You can also look on my user page for GIMP scripts for removing the background colours of drawings. Generally, I prefer removing the background discoloured paper colour, but only if it can be done without damaging the image. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 09:58, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
OK Inductiveload for hws and hwe; I'll do. On the contrary, I don'n understand your suggestion about no-including follow refs: I only no-include blank rows between text and ref, for a better display of Page: text. But I can't exclude that I miss something. About GIMP: my problem was, how to use high-resolution Internet Archive jp2 images; and a it.source friend gave me the right suggestion. Yes, as soon as I'll get the series of cropped images I'll test your script. But I'm so slow while learning! I'm working from weeks simply at cleanup() and RunningHeader() routines! :-)
Then I must have misunderstood what was going on with the noincludes. My mistake. If you need help with the GIMP things, feel free to ask. They work in the latest version, no promises about other versions. You can get jp2 support for GIMP under Linux with an extension, but I'm not sure about Windows or Macs. Imagemagick can also handle jp2s, which makes for simple batch conversions. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 21:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
First of all: Kathleen thanks for hosting this talk! I hope, it isn't not boring for you.
I couldn't open IA jp2 with Imagemagick and I asked help from Luigi62, experienced in graphic stuff. His suggestion has been, to use w:IfanView. Excellent tool! But I did a so-so work while converting images: you can see how beautiful is the png built by Luigi62 at page 30, and how blurred is my one, at page 20. I'll do all from scratch. --Alex brollo (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
@ Kathleen, while posting here an excellent applications converted all the page jp2 images into simpler-to-manage high resolution jpg. I hope, that it's matter of half an hour to crop them. I'll let you know when they are posted into Commons. :-) --Alex brollo (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
About Horsemanship for Women: did you note how many signs of real discomfort can clearly be seen into horses eyes and ears? And… how there's no sign of empathy on the woman face? So strange, in its "normality"! --Alex brollo (talk) 15:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I did notice that, but I suppose that's how things were "done" in the 19th century. The only page that needs an image is Page:Horsemanship for Women.djvu/80—Musical notation, then it can be upgraded to Proofread. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Done. It's the second time I found music into an equitation book, the first time was into one of Italian reinassance masterpieces by Caesar Fiaschi: it:Pagina:Fiaschi.djvu/106. It's a pity that translators as Google cannot do a good work with ancient Italian.
As soon as I finished proofreading of Horse shoes and horse shoeing (now, with Lafosse's observations, most of which valuable today, things are much less boring!), can be that I'll validate some pages of Horsemanship for Women, if it.source will not call me at home fastly. ;-) --Alex brollo (talk) 13:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


I replied at my page. I think you are making a valuable contribution to our works, and our little community. Cheers, CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:24, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

The Eight Strokes of the ClockEdit

Hi. Good cooperation for the split. But why did you remove the main page? There were links pointing there and the header on each chapter were pointing there. How do we find the book now? I would restore it, leaving the the table of contents and author note. Bye Mpaa (talk) 23:36, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the page after your restoral. Bye Mpaa (talk) 00:07, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


Just thought I'd say thanks for proofing some of the Base Facilities Report!  :-) — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 10:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Or should I say all of it?! Great work! — Sam Wilson ( TalkContribs ) … 11:13, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Popular Science Monthly Volume 1 validation.Edit

Many thanks and my sincere gratitude for the completion. I am still obligated to anchor paragraphs to the index at the back of the volume, as well as check for missing {{nop}}’s for paragraphs ending at the bottom of pages. Both of which I will do!

The index/article relationship is stored in an offline MS Access database and I don’t want anyone to waste their time with it, because the first few volumes have a lot of original publisher errors and omissions. — Ineuw talk 09:42, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

File:Standard of the Salvation Army.svg.pngEdit

Hi, I'm just sorting through the list of unused files and I came across this file. I see that there are several versions of the Standard over at Commons commons:File:Standard of the Salvation Army.svg. Do we need this separate version here? Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

As efficient as ever! Sorry, I'm not a Vista user, so I can't help you on the automatic file suffixing (is that a word?). However, I wonder if you can do a Save As in an appropriate program and dictate the file type that way. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:36, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Index:Florence Earle Coates Mine and Thine (1904)Edit

A validation "Thank You"!

Thank you for your help on this! For some reason, I just kept putting this one off—but now it's done :) I appreciate it! Londonjackbooks (talk) 11:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

on another Coates noteEdit

I've been changing my formatting with the Pro Patria text from using the poem tag to the "archaic" non-breaking spaces and breaks (which render better in PDF—a recent "concern" of mine, but not too much of one), so you may have noticed my proofreads over your proofreads. Sorry about that, but thank you for the drive-by's as always! With regards to the Wilson quotation page, I'm not happy with my improvised attempt at recreating the image. Something about the prose formatting doesn't translate well in the Main... So if you know of a better way, please have a go! Thanks for all, Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Played with the formatting of the Wilson excerpt page, and am happier with it than my original go of it... Still open to suggestions as always! —Londonjackbooks (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Index:A Little Pretty Pocket-book.djvuEdit

I'm really sorry about that... I hope it's okay now? Were all the Index:pages blank to begin with? I'd hate to have lost anyone's work... Londonjackbooks (talk) 06:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 billinghurst sDrewth 12:55, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk backEdit

Hello, Kathleen.wright5. You have new messages at Mpaa's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thanks for the validation of Index:Collodi - The Story of a Puppet, translation Murray, 1892.djvu --Mpaa (talk) 21:40, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:Adjustment TeamEdit

Thanks for validating. I did some HTML shenanigans with the image & overlayed text, but I'm still not sure I'm happy with the default view. --Eliyak T·C 09:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Request for validationEdit

Hi Kathleen, I'm wondering if you might be willing to validate some or all of 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Oregon -- it's my first (I think!) complete project here. Folks said you're a good person to ask, and I see from your user page you've been a busy proofreader! Thanks, -Pete (talk) 07:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

I see you've knocked off a few pages of it already, and caught some typos I mixed, too! Much appreciated :) -Pete (talk) 03:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you very much, for your formatting help at Examining Efforts to Eradicate Human Trafficking. Much appreciated! Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 14:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Governance essayEdit

Hi I have edited Wikipedia a fair bit, but never contributed here. I've just created Wikipedia_Governance copied from here, since it looks like an interesting "historical" (if 2002 can be considered history!) document. Could you please give it a once-over and make sure it is within wikisource policy? Thanks! --Surturz (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Validation favourEdit

Hi, I messed up a couple of pages in Index:Howards End.djvu and accidentally set them to Proofread. Could you please validate them for me? Thanks heaps, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:47, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank YouEdit


I have appreciated your flitting and floating over much of the work I have transcribed here... To quote Billinghurst—". . . with your little wand, tapping on Page: after Page: bringing little blossoms of validation." :) I always liked that image, and thought it true! With the reworking of Mrs. Coates' Pages that I have been doing as of late, I am sure I have been taking over your 'watchlist' recently! As a result of your familiarity with the work—and because I don't know where else it would be appropriate for me to inquire and inform—I was wondering if you might not keep an eye on things, for I think it's time for me to leave here permanently. I didn't expect to leave, and I hate to have left anything undone—but I think I have left sufficient instruction in one of my sandboxes for anyone who might consider picking up where I left off. As for my User page, Talk page, and subpages, I honestly don't know what I should do with them—so I'll leave them at the discretion of you all. With that, thank you! :) I have enjoyed my time here very much. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, I had thought to clean up my User pages, etc., since only I could, really. I think I have addressed my main concerns about what is left to be cleaned up (reworked pages/reformatting, etc.). I would have liked to better refine Mrs. Coates' fugitive piece pages, but perhaps someone will come along to bring them up to a better standard. I'm "going home" so to speak to get back to my own domestic "source"! My "mop" use isn't so good here at home either, but I'll try to reacquaint myself with it! ;) Thanks again for all, Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Going through my mind lately has been the phrase (well maybe not a phrase, but at least the words), "If you don't do it, then who will?" I don't want to stop working with Mrs. Coates' (& related) poetry yet. I think I at least need to see through what I have started. When that's done, then I can reassess again. What I do need to do is at least prioritize my time between here and home, and not let one suffer at the hands of the other, for they're both important to me! . . . No response necessary :) Have a good one, Londonjackbooks (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Missing PSM pagesEdit

Hi, and thanks for your help with PSM. I placed a web link to a list of all IA copies of the PSM volumes IN THIS SECTION.— Ineuw talk 16:41, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

software problemEdit

There is currently a problem with the software at this site. Through no fault of your own, every time you edit a page (such as your good work in validating), an unwanted line will be inserted. Please see Scriptorium for more info. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 13:14, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Social StationeryEdit

Dear Ms Wright,

You are cordially invited to validate the remaining page and list it on New Texts.

I remain yours sincerely, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I seem to have run out of my calling cards!


...for completing validation of Mrs. Coates' works... Londonjackbooks (talk) 00:53, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

You may have simply been validating a random page when you hit upon Mrs. Coates' piece... At your leisure, could you also validate the last page of the poem as well? Thanks! Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


Thank you so much for proofreading Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar!

Please let me know if you find any problems or difficulties. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Index:Ravished Armenia.djvuEdit

One traveller from hy: has been over here and has just finished this work. I have been travelling through validating what is a pretty neat job, and if you are around and have some time, another set of hands would be lovely. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)



This is a request that you please stop validating the book that I and two others are working on. Not only is the editing being done in English but also it is being translated into Spanish and hopefully into French. The validating disrupts the overall process by creating confusion for the translation process. —William Maury Morris II Talk 16:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


Thanks Kathleen, much appreciated. Moondyne (talk) 14:46, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Two Eskimo HeadsEdit

Kathleen, 1st, what a pretty-sounding name! My mom uses Kay. My sis uses Kat because our father called my sis "Kitten" when she was very young. Anyhow, thank you for validating the two carved Eskimo heads page. Respectfully, Maury (—William Maury Morris II Talk 05:14, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Gesenius and Web fontsEdit


The Localization Team enabled Web Fonts here in the English Wikisource.

Among other things, this is supposed to help display Hebrew fonts correctly in books like Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar. Can you please some if its pages and tell me whether you notice a change? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:25, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Army and Naval HymnalEdit

The downgrading of the pages was because it was going to be converted to use the TOC style templates instead of a direct table, but your efforts are appreciated.

You will also note(check my history) I've started to change hardcoded headers for the hymns themselves over to using {{hymn-header}}.

This is so that there is a consistency of style across the transcriptions, and because a templates fields are easy to scan by automated indexing tools. The hope is that Author pages for the lyricists and composers could be populated by bots based on data in {{hymn-header}}.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Cutters Practical GuideEdit

Any chance you could also validate as I proof read through the OCR text? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:41, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


Kathleen, I am here to make a request. I have often seen you validating and you have earned many grand awards. I have completed a book that I alone worked on and it needs to be validated. I cannot validate my own work. I am asking if you would be so kind as to consider validating some of this book? Please take a look before you decide either way at [[3]] With all due respect, and obviously that is a lot from what I have seen of you and your work, Maury (—William Maury Morris II Talk 14:15, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Kathleen, thank you ever so much for the validations you have done. It is good that people help one another. It is the way of our Lord. May HE always watch over you and yours <>< —With much appreciation and gratitude, Maury (—William Maury Morris II Talk 04:01, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Kathleen, again I want to thank you for the validations you have done as requested by me in the above statements. I also want to ask a question about validating that I am confused about. In some of your validating, you completely leave out the running headers and page numbers and then validate each page in that manner. My question is -- is that proper? I honestly do not know but in my validating I do use running headers and page numbers so when I am validating and see pages already marked green, I figure someone has already included the headers and page numbers. It's confusing so could you *pretty please* let me know if that is a right way to validate? I am going to try to stay away from those due to the confusion it causes me—but then the book would not be properly validated *or would it* ? I sincerely do not know. If it is okay to validate as I point out here then I too never have to include running headers or page numbers in any of the books that I transcribe which does save a lot of work. Please let me know about this, whichever way it is supposed to be done. I am trying to understand some rules on this when every editor has his or her preferences. Kindest regards, William Maury Morris II (talk) 01:58, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :)Edit

I want to thank you for your validations on Journal at Geneva (including Ghost Stories) and on Return to England, 1816; it's my first Wikisource project (watch out for the funky code later on that might not be allowed) and I hadn't realised the real concept behind the site until today, with its reliance on the goodwill of editors (and from your talk page, not least yourself!). Let me know if there's something I can do in return. Thanks! Xensyria (talk) 23:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for checking them all Xensyria (talk) 12:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Advice for Index:Alices adventures in Cambridge.djvu?Edit

Hello Kathleen.wright5.

Thank you for validating my proofreading of this book. Either you were being very kind, or I haven't made as many mistakes as I feared I would (a couple of those cross-page poems simply drove me insane, and I was sure somebody would demonstrate how silly my approach was!)

However, I would appreciate some advice regarding what I expect are throw-backs to an older quality/validation system. There are a few of these scattered around the various pages, but this demonstrates both issues together:

1.Use of {{TextQuality}} template:

Can these be simply removed, since so far as I can tell, any page using <pages> automatically gets the little colour-bar hint under the page heading, and that seems to me to be somewhat equivalent?

2.Use of {{incomplete}} template:

I am reluctant to simply remove this, although its presence implies work is still needed when this is no longer true. My main misgiving is that the template also carries a parameter |oclc=256534029, which seems to be some kind of useful global catalogue identifier for the book itself, and I simply do not know how to preserve this kind of information. Any suggestions?
Regards, MODCHK (talk) 11:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi. Please desist from validating pages without checking if they meet proofreading standards. For example: In this Page:The food of the Gods - A Popular Account of Cocoa.djvu/12, the page number links go nowhere. In such case, it's best to just leave it as is. — Ineuw talk 22:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Template to indicate musicEdit

Hi, there are a couple of ways to indicate that music is missing from a page. We can either use {{Page contains sheet music}} or add Category:Pages requiring musical examples to the footer. Using one of these will help us find all the pages when we finally get a working music extension. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Scrambles amongst the AlpsEdit

Sorry, I removed by mistake your validation on page 62. Zil (talk) 11:03, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Zil (talk) 11:12, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


Kathleen, would you please validate the pages in this small book? It is very difficult getting a book validated. Happy Holidays! —Maury (talk) 03:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)



Kathleen, I thank you for the validations you did today. Drop by anytime with your validation wand. Smiles to Go before I Weep. Respectfully, Maury

More PSM image page validationsEdit

Thanks for validating the full page images of PSM. If you're interested to validate more, Volumes 51 to 66 full page images have been proofread and all you need to do is search for "Img" on the index pages. Happy New Year. — Ineuw talk 16:44, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for validating Index:Cadet Handbook and Section Roll.pdfEdit


You truly deserve a medal for dedication beyond the call &c. I thought somebody would really want to shoot me when I realised about half the pages in this book(?) turned out to be the exact same pair of grids repeated page-after-page-after-page. (Yes I did resort to blatant cut-and-paste when I was eventually happy with one set when I originally proofed them!)

Regards, MODCHK (talk) 07:19, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Tasso, etc.Edit

Thanks for validating Tasso, et al. Happy New Year. Londonjackbooks (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your most recent validations, Londonjackbooks (talk) 13:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Validating LatinEdit

I wouldn't have noticed this, except for the edit conflict (I was already working on the page), but in this edit, you validated a page with 3 spelling errors and two errors in punctuation. This may result from, in part, an unfamiliarity with Latin. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

My bad!. Moondyne (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for helpingEdit

Kathleen, thanks for having removed and deleted a lot of unuseful sister-project templates. I guess that the MotM task can be finished this month! Soon, Erasmo Barresi (talk) 19:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia excerptEdit

Not sure I am following the logic here and here. I see that it is listed at Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month/Sister-project link standardization but not following the logic of why it is a good idea. Jeepday (talk) 22:52, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Conversation at User_talk:Erasmo_Barresi#Wikipedia_excerpt per your request. Jeepday (talk) 23:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


Kathleen, thank you for pointing to the detailed information about Australia. I have read that and a page MODCHK pointed out to me on gold there. Still, there is much more of that fascinating history. I posted the following earlier today on MODCHK's user page:

" I lucked out today with television, History International, because it was all about the History of Australia! Most Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 03:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)"

That program was amazing. It gave the names of some of the first people exiled there and how many there were on that first shipload of convicted people. A point that surprised me was that it also covered people of a higher education on trumped up charges and convicted then sent to Australia so that with their higher education the so-called "convicts" would become educated by "people of the pen (plume)". It showed a men exploring old gold mines, it showed one man descending into a grain storage area that was dug out of the ground and it showed an area where "thousands" of canisters of "mustard gas" (illegal by World War II) was stored in case the Japanese made their way into Australia. It showed much more and all of it was very revealing including secrets by two men who had worked with those mustard gas canisters who kept it a secret for 50 years. What we see of Australia as visitors of today is nothing like what the program showed. When mustard gas connects with air fumes begin and blisters start until any breathing thing is killed but tortured before they died because their insides start bleeding and they die coughing up blood as those painful blisters form all over the bodies. Wikipedia and Wikisource could never show all of what the program showed. I found myself constantly saying, "Great Heavens!" Britain was very cruel to the prisoners even if they had "stolen a rabbit" as the program stated they would get life in Australia. Britain was very brutal to all of her colonies and their were many colonies -- all to keep that little island of Britain "Great Britain". One of the thing that amazes me is places like Australia, colonies, still sing, "God Save The Queen"! I don't understand that!!! I am in the USA and nobody sings it here! Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary formattingEdit

Hi Kathleen, please stop adding {{gap}} to the pages of English as She is Spoke. We are not slavishly reproducing the format of the pages, which are artefacts of the small page size. We are reproducing the text and making it available. If you really want the indented format to appear then use {{hanging indent}}. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Easton Bible DictionaryEdit

Thanks, Can you check A-Az, as I'm sure I tried to split those out as well!

In trying to split out the articles, I'd not been doing a blind overwrite, owing to the fact in places other contributors had started hyper-linking additional words,so I am am having to combine stuff carefully.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Validation help, if available and interestedEdit

Hi Kathleen, I don't know if you've noticed, but we've had a bit of a drama over the validating of Index:The Story of Doctor Dolittle.djvu. Basically, the original validator ran through it all in a little over an hour and left many errors unfixed. Because I did most of the initial proofread I shouldn't go over it again and I was wondering if you might have the time and interest to re-do the validations. A few of the pages have been set back to yellow, but most of the green pages need re-checking as well. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

If we had barnstars, I'd give you one. As it is I can only offer sincere thanks (and prayers for the health to continue working here). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the validationsEdit


Thank you for the validations. I have asked several times if validations are important and was always told "yes" and yet so many works are not validated. I have long been inspired by you and copying your process by validating other people's works.

Kindest regards,

—Maury (talk) 00:57, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

The Three BearsEdit

Slow down! Let me proofread it :) - Theornamentalist (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi Kathleen, thanks a lot for validating (what I have done in) Index:Songs of a Savoyard.djvu. And, of course, some of the other works I'm doing right now. It's very nice of you to do them.
Thanks again, sincerely from Clockery (talk·contribs) 09:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC).

Advice regarding "long s"Edit

(I'm a reasonably infrequent visitor here.) I read on Wikisource:STYLE#Formatting that long-s characters should be put in with a template rather than directly translating them to "s". So I went back and changed one of the pages I'd previously validated. But then I noticed that you and some other editors in the same book were leaving them as plain s. What should we do? I don't want to be inconsistent with the rest of the book. --99of9 (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The templates were created at a time when browsers and Google searches would not recognize the long-s character for what it was. That situation has changed, so typically I'll put the character for long-s directly into the text if it's a text where the distinction matters, such as the First Folio text for Shakespeare or Milton's Paradise Lost. However, there are some texts where the distinction really doesn't matter, and in those instances I may transcribe as "s". I don't use the templates anymore. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm just returning to thank you for your substantial contributions to British Weights and Measures, Considered from a Practical Standpoint. I really appreciated it, and am pleased to have now validated the whole book. --99of9 (talk) 04:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


hi, i saw your transcription at the proofread of the month [4]. you might want to consider using the reference code (or smallrefs). it really makes a difference for the transclusion.[5] more detailed discussion here: Help:Footnotes and endnotes. cheers. Slowking4 (talk) 21:45, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

World War IIEdit

Hi Kathleen, could you please deal with this? Because I don't know what to do to it. Sincerely—Clockery Fairfield (talk·contribs) 14:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. :) —Clockery Fairfield (talk·contribs) 14:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks…Edit

…for your validating efforts with A Basic Guide to Open Educational Resources. With your help I think the end may be in sight!! -Pete (talk) 17:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Job and Biblical poetryEdit

I ntoiced (with much excitement) that you've started volume 2 of your long-term project on the 300th anniversary edition of the KJV. The prophetic books are far more interesting to me personally, although they do present the issue of page formatting. There's a simpler way to format the poetic passages than using <poem>. . . to see what I'd suggest look at page 5 of volume 2, where I've validated your page from Job. Notice that the original volume has the poetry lines indented, so I'm simply using the wiki colon to indent each line. There are four things to watch out for, though:

(1) Using this method, you'll need to leave a blank line ahead of the page number in the footer, or else it will not center. I've done this for page 5 in case you need to see exactly what I mean; you can pull up the page in the edit window to see where the blank line is. But you should not leave a blank line at the bottom of the body text.
(2) Poetry in the original wraps back when the line is too long for the page on which it was printed, but we shouldn't preserve that since our readers' screen width will vary, and may wrap later or sooner. So, wrapped lines should be joined as a single one.
(3) The OCR frequently got the end-of-line punctuation wrong, so this has to be checked carefully.
(4) Breaks between passages of poetry will need use {{dhr}} to put a sufficiently large space between passages. I've done this in the pages I'm proofreading for Hosea (I've started working through the minor prophets), so you can see an example here. Leaving two blank lines should leave the same amount of space, but on testing I've found that it leaves far too much, whereas a single blank line is barely noticable.

I also notice that sometimes there's a larger letter at the start of a line, and adjusted page 5 of Job for this. Thanks for getting this project going, and for keeping it going! --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Please stop validating invalid pagesEdit

Hi. Could you kindly stop validating pages such as this: Page:Popular Science Monthly Volume 57.djvu/288 and others in the same article. In addition to the missing paragraph at the top of the page, how can one justify validating the image size and quality? — Ineuw talk 08:53, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

What missing paragraph? The paragraph is there; it's simly been repositioned below the image so that the image does not intrude in the middle of the paragraph. Some editors consider this a fair and fluid change (while others prefer to rigidly follow the original format). If your concern is the size and quality of the image, then why not simply resize the image, and ask someone to improve the image file? The image is actually a separate file, and is not part of the text validating process. If the image file exists, it exists. Proofreading and validation only check that the image file exists, not that it meets some abstract quality standard. If you disagree, then start a discussion in the Scriptorium. I've never seen anything on any Help or Style Guide page that suggests that validation is help up simply because an image is of less than ideal quality. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:47, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Kathleen, Thank you for the validations !Edit

Kathleen, Thank you for the validations today on Recollections of a Rebel Reefer. One of my most annoying things on en.Wikisource is having to find someone who will validate. Not many here validate other's works as much as we do. You should ask for a raise :) Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

July's PotM?Edit

Hi Kathleen, if you've a moment could you have a look at WT:PotM#Attempt to distill above discussion into a few options and indicate if you've a preference for a first Geography work? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:10, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Laws of HammurabiEdit

No, all the pages have been proofread. There is a MW-wide error causing display problems on the Index pages. See the last two threads in the Scriptorium. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:48, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Please keep me apprised of your progress on validating this work. I think it would make an excellent candidate for a featured text, as it is sourced, has images of the original Akkadian, and is the first translation of the Codex into English. None of these points is true of our previous two translations of the Codex. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:36, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I made the nomination. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

John Burroughs bookEdit

There is a problem on page 8 of this http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/John_James_Audubon_(Burroughs)/I. I am new to wikisource and was unable to fix the way the text is displayed on page 8. Letting you know, since you have worked on this before. ThanksJacqke (talk) 04:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Minor prophetsEdit

BTW, I finished proofreading the last pages of the minor prophets. Everything you did is validated, so any yellow pages remaining are ones that I proofread (mostly Zechariah, I think). I won't be working on that particular effort much for the next month or two, but will (as always) come back from time to time to help out. I just have other items demanding my attention, both on WS and offline. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks the XVIIth ;)Edit

Hi Kathleen,

I don't know whether you've noticed, but no less than 12 16 sections on your talk page begin with the words "Thanks" or "Thank you". I'm here to be the seventeenth. ;) Thanks a lot for all you've done in the way of validation, not only for me, but on behalf of the whole of enWS. Really, when you look at it, I'd say that at least half [if not three-quarters :)] of the validations on enWS have been done by you. I pity the other language wikisources for not having a Kathleen.wright5 in their midst. Still, their loss is our gain. How on earth did you manage to validate Cox and Box? I could hardly read it, let alone proofread it. :) —Clockery Fairfield (talk) 14:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

The first one is the original play on which the second one is based. The second one is Cox and Box, which is actually a one-act operetta which was adapted from the original play, which was written by John Maddison Morton. Cox and Box uses most of the original dialogue, plus a few songs written by F. C. Burnand and set to music by Arthur Sullivan. Only difference was that the character Mrs. Bouncer was changed to become Sergeant Bouncer, because the Moray Minstrels, for whom the operetta was written to be performed, didn't include women. Since in those days no copyright laws existed, Morton didn't receive any profit from Cox and Box. Pretty raw deal for him, because the operetta eventually grew more popular than the original play itself. The first index was validated by me and was actually the first (and only) index I completely validated. :) I've been putting off the proofreading of those two pages in the second index ever since I began doing it, but I suppose I'll get down to it someday. Maybe later… :) —Clockery Fairfield (talk) 06:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, looks like I've finally got down to doing those two pages. The first was actually done in a single sitting at marathon speed. :) It was actually you who motivated me to finish it, otherwise it would've stayed in my list for weeks. Thanks—Clockery Fairfield (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2013 (UTC)


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Help with a detail?Edit

Hi Kathleen, thanks again for all your help with the OER books. I tried to make a small fix on this page, which should contain an indented bullet list. But if you look at how it gets pulled in at the bottom of Appendix 3, you will see an annoying double bullet. Do you know how to fix this? -Pete (talk) 18:20, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The problem is the level of indentation. If you look at the bottom of the page: A Basic Guide to Open Educational Resources/Appendix 3
The bottom few items should look like this:
  • Wielding the applications…
    • Mashups, …
    • Digital storytelling, …
    • Data visualization,…
    • Google jockeying,… <PAGE BREAK HERE>
    • Virtual meetings,…
    • Grid computing, …
But instead it looks like:
  • Wielding the applications…
    • Mashups, …
    • Digital storytelling, …
    • Data visualization,…
    • Google jockeying,… <PAGE BREAK HERE>
  • Virtual meetings,…
  • Grid computing, …

OK, I'll ask around. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 22:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
  fixed Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:22, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Beeswaxcandle! For some reason I thought the colon would indent too far -- I hadn't even tried that. Much appreciated. -Pete (talk) 23:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

De re metallicaEdit

Thanks Kathleen for your proofreading of Index:De re metallica (1912).djvu. As you perhaps imagine, I'm much more interested into "formatting issues, templates and scripts" and I'm using this mostly important work to learn and refine them, searching for the more difficult issues while disregarding simple ones (not so simple for me, since English is not my own language...); I apologyze for this, but I've lots of things to learn and to test (next issue will be, the terrible Indexes al the bottom of the book). I'll learn from your work; you already solved a perplexing problem (what to do with text of image captions). --Alex brollo (talk) 14:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Tagore to surendra nath banerjeeEdit

Hi I am coming from User talk:Yann. Can you please arrange the article to be exported to the Hindi wikisource preserving the page history. Thanks in advance. Solomon7968 (talk) 16:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource User GroupEdit

Wikisource, the free digital library is moving towards better implementation of book management, proofreading and uploading. All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English), the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. To get the best results out of these projects, we would like your comments about them. The projects are listed at Wikisource across projects. You can find the midpoint report for developmental work done during the IEG on Wikisource here.

Global message delivery, 23:21, 24 July 2013 (UTC)



Beeswaxcandle has completed many books that have short and easy reading with few or no complexities in formatting. Therefore they are easy to validate. There are many of these books as a series. I am asking you if you would help to validate and thus complete all of the works Beeswaxcandle has done in this series or at least one book. The books are short. I am working on two at once as one is completed and the other he is just starting. Please consider validating his book here (approx 244 pages) [[6]].

Kindest regards,

—Maury (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Validating musicEdit

Did you really check every note on those five pages in under 3 minutes? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my documentEdit

Hello, I uploaded my first document today and you fixed an error. I did not know what "proofreading" meant on Wikisource so I read more and looked it up. You did this at Index:PARAMOUNT Eli Lilly Informed Consent Document.djvu. Thanks for helping me. Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:38, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow! You're Swift !Edit

Kathleen, you are very fast and accurate. I appreciate all you have done on Flowers of New Zealand, Notes on New Zealand, and now Face To Face With the Mexicans. Since it is basically "thankless task", like many tasks here on en.ws, I wanted to state my personal appreciations directly to you. May God Bless you in life in all of your endeavors. The work we do is for all humanity and for all time. Who can know, but God, how far these works travel into the future to untold and yet unborn generations? Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 13:48, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Bless you, Kathleen. Once again you have gotten some confusion out of my way through your validations. I hope the weather is good there in Australia for your health. It has changed quickly from 100+ every day here to lows in the 50s at night. I prefer Virginia's 4 equal seasons. Have a wonderful new day! —Maury (talk) 08:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


Kathleen, I am not sure if this book on Mexico Young Folks' History of Mexico is "done" because there are chapters half filled in by Beeswaxcandle but the other half are not done. I don't know how to do those so would you please look at them and fill in what is needed to complete the book? Thank you for the validations you did. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 17:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

"PS - Another user is doing this Gumr51 by adding pages in Namespace"

I know, He is a friend of mine who lives in Mexico City. I contacted him via email and asked him to do this. You stated you don't know how and I don't know how either. :0) Thank you for all you have done, Kathleen. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 20:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


Kathleen, only this one page needs to be validated for the book to be "Done".

Page:History of the Spanish Conquest of Yucatan and of the Itzas.pdf/225

Kindest regards, Maury


You're validating my Grammatical Notices of Burmese pages faster than I can write them! :-) Angr 12:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

ANCL vol. 1Edit

Wanted to thank you for the work you put into ANCL vol. 1. I'm really pleased with how it came together, and how quickly it came together for a work that isn't POTM. I'm going to be doubling down on some other projects in the near future but I'm looking forward to collaborating on subsequent volumes some day. Prosody (talk) 01:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


Kathleen, please do not proofread any of the text on the book I have placed on en.WS You have seen my statement of "in use" It is because I want to stay with the flow of the book and not having others interrupting my flow of page-by-page. <>< Thank you. —Maury (talk) 06:44, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Question on footersEdit

Hi Kathleen. Just want to say thanks for validating Kidnapped in London, however I noticed that you have removed some footer content, like this one. Are they not necessary and should I not include them for future transcriptions? Cheers. —Wylve (talk) 19:17, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. —Wylve (talk) 04:33, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Informative page on the "Mother of the Salvation Army" etc.Edit

Use "on mouse over" this image to read. —Maury (talk) 04:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Kathleen, thank you for the validations on Woman Triumphant. I was beginning to think the book would never get a validation. It is fascinating to see women who have "climbed the ladder" and yet annoying to know they are still not paid equally for work done. As you can see in the book their lives are still changing for the better but over centuries. The work of the Salvation Army was new and amazing to me. I didn't know the history of it. When I was young (16 years of age) I worked for my father's construction company and we built a huge Salvation Army building of brick that replaced a small over-worked wood-frame house that then served as a Salvation Army building. I have always viewed it as a monument to the goodness of people helping people. In Christ, —Maury (talk) 21:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Kathleen, once again I have come to you to say "Thank you" for your help and this time it is for your work on Woman Triumphant, an amazing book that has filled in a lot of history for me that I never knew. Also, feel perfectly free at proofreading any of those pages and not just validating -- if you so desire the option. It is difficult to get good proofreaders/validaters on en.ws. I have been blessed in that you have helped with your aid on so many projects. I hope that you see the credit where credit is due on each project in the information area of the Index page. If you are a Mother then I also wish you a "Happy Mother's Day". I think people don't know how important that really is until their mom really is, until she passes on as in my case. When my beloved mother passed on in her sleep and I found her, I left Virginia and moved to the state of Washington immediately after mom's funeral. I took only her Cocker Spaniel, the clothes I was wearing, my wallet and immediate travel by plane. All praise to God for all of the descent ladies. In Christ, —Maury (talk) 20:36, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


God Bless you Kathleen. —Maury (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Those characters on St. OswaldEdit

Hi, @Angr: is the best person to help with these characters. He's been active on enWP, so you may need to ping him there. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

The Tragic Drama of the GreeksEdit

Thanks for your assistance thus far in validating The Tragic Drama of the Greeks. I have finished the Contents and first few pages for Index:The Tragic Drama of the Greeks (1896).djvu.

If you are able to continue validating this work, that's wonderful, but note that beginning at page 5, the author makes extensive use of Greek quotations in the footnotes, and if you are not able or comfortable validating Ancient Greek text, then I completely understand. However, please do let me know whether or not you will be able to validate Ancient Greek and its fiddly diacriticals, as I'm a little uncertain at times myself. Some of the Greek text I am able to acquire pre-typed through Perseus, but other bits I have to enter manually myself. If I need to alert a Greek specialist, I can do that, but again, just let me know one way or another. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:29, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Related request: Would you mind Validating the article on "Greek Literature" from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica? It's a little under 21 pages, and it took a week for me to proofread with all the proper names, punctuation, Greek, French, and German in there, but shouldn't take nearly so long to validate. There are few articles from the 1911 EB (like this one) that we really need to have on Wikisource, to help provide context for the works we're hosting. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:37, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Soft redirectsEdit

Hi Kathleen, have you deleted all the soft redirects from Category:Soft redirects/February 2013, which User:TalBot was about to process, like, tomorrow? What about the back-links? I was somewhat surprised to find the redirects gone *scratches head*.--GrafZahl (talk) 22:11, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Category:Soft redirects Yes, I've deleted the February 2013 redirects, along with most of the others. I've only left those I feel should be left for now like those for September 2013 that are Wikisource:Requests for Assistance/Archives and those I don't know how to update. I always do a 'What Links Here' and there were no pages linked to February 2013 redirects. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
I probably deleted far more pages from of that category than Kathleen did (if not all of them). I fixed all the back links to the pages I deleted excepting the Talbot redirect pages. Since the Talbot pages were obviously solely cataloging the very I issues I was resolving, there would be not point in editing these. It didn't even occur to me that the Talbot redirect pages could possibly be active since the category from Feb 2013 with plenty of broken redirects was still hanging around in June 2014. The botting had obviously been abandoned for at least 14 months. Why would I expect it to start again tomorrow?--BirgitteSB 04:46, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for all your work fixing the redirects. Sorry for not checking myself. Yesterday it was so late in my time zone that I thought, I'd just ask, as two weeks ago, the bot found some back-links. I was also very surprised to see that redlink on the announcement page, but I shouldn't have been, for, speaking of which, it isn't exactly conspicuous, when I think about it. So I guess the next target for User:TalBot should be Category:Soft redirects/September 2013, which will be done on 14 or 15 June 2014.
Sorry for all the confusion. I hope everything is cleared up now. Thanks again!
--GrafZahl (talk) 13:08, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Antarctic Voyage PlatesEdit

Hi Kathleen, for my peace of mind, can you please confirm that you've checked the alt text for each image? It should contain all the text from each image. i.e. plate number, artist, printer and species name(s) should all be there and spelt correctly including any æ or œ ligatures. I'm working on the last set of them now and they should be up by the end of tomorrow. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:36, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. The rest of the images are now uploaded and in place. It's be nice to get back to looking at text and not just images. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:10, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Index:The statutes of Wales (1908).djvuEdit

Thanks, but I had to patch the file. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Like Batman and RobinEdit

<kapow> <bash> Job done and we walk away content. :-) Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:24, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of templatesEdit

Hi. I am not sure from where deletion of unused templates springs. It isn't a speedy deletion criteria, and there has been no discussions. The string of EB1911 author templates would appear to have been been prepared based on contributor lists in the EB, and therefore will be used at some point, so should not have been deleted. I had to recover the diacritic templates that get substituted, so won't be used, and GO3 has undeleted templates. All seem to indicate that something is is not right with your process. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

And it would be worthwhile for you to read further about preload, as deleting those indicates a significant knowledge gap, as they are never "used" but always used. — billinghurst sDrewth

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header templateEdit

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of my user talk pageEdit

Hi Kathleen.wright5 - I see that you deleted my user talk page. I may have done something wrong, but I didn't intend for my user talk page to get deleted, only my user page. I would appreciate it if you could restore my user talk page. Thank you. —Mr. Granger (talk) 02:54, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


You deleted {{EB1911set}}. As I was the author why did you not ask what it was used for? The template is used see:

It is just that its use is ephemeral. Please reinstate/undelete it.

BTW. This type of usage is not unique to the EB1911 project see also Wikisource:WikiProject DNB/Transclusion#Article-space templates and {{DNBset}} -- PBS (talk) 12:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you -- PBS (talk) 12:36, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Could you also please restor the documentation and the sandbox
--PBS (talk) 12:44, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
A belated thanks. -- PBS (talk) 13:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

An Oration Delivered April 2d, 1771Edit

Thanks for validating the pages! I just wanted to let you know that I'll be removing the {{dhr}} templates. They weren't inserted as part of the text, but by the printer to make paragraphs take up the entire page. Plus, while I occasionally use that template, it adds an extra space between paragraphs (as in what is made by the space-bar). Just wanted to let you know so you understand why I deleted them. Thanks, The Haz talk 01:57, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

.* Keen Eyes and a Good Heart */Edit

Kathleen, you have keen eyes and a good heart in helping myself and others with your corrections and validations.

Thank you! & Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Index:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 8 - Part 1 (Traffic Safety Measures and Signs for Road). Designs 2009.pdf Edit

Do you know someone that can assist in getting this proofread for validation? It's taking me a lot longer than I thought.

Also it would be greatly appreciated if you could when validating check for what might be errors in the original source material (with a document this complex it happens.)

Thanks ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Page:Cihm 33811.djvu/12Edit

Querying this being proofread owing to the illegible portion at page base.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Index:Probate and Legacy Duties Act 1808 (ukpga 18080149 en).pdfEdit

Hi can you give the tables on this a check? Not formerly proofread as such as I was cleaning up OCR when I did thisShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:11, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Now proofread ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Mislinking pagesEdit

Page:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu/618 Page:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management (Part 2).djvu/621

For some inepxplicable reason link back and forth to (Part 1) not Part (2), Not sure wh yso as I am the sole contributor on them it seems easier to remove the pages entirely and start again. Hopefully in deleting the pages whatever foul up in the linkining is going on will also rectify itself..ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


Kathleen, thank you for the validations you did on Index:Memoirs of a Huguenot Family.djvu There are only 2 pages left to be validated and I am asking you to please validate them so the book will be completely validated. Thanks again for those you have done. —Maury (talk) 16:07, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I just got those. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Oops! I looked before I posted here but BD2412 is swift! —Maury (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


Kathleen, I do not know if you still like validating but if you still do please do this small area as far as you can. Respects, —Maury (talk) 05:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


Fairly straightforward revalidation request. This was previously validated, but pages lost that status when flagged for a now resolved copyright issue. Thanks in advance. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:50, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Re.: It's a Beautiful DayEdit

Hey there. I uploaded the story only after consulting with people at IRC. I don't know what's wrong with it, I own its copyright as the author... Warko has some troubles with me, I don't know why sincerely, but this is very disturbing. Gotta contact OTRS or something to have it restored? -- 06:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

/* Wives of the prime ministers, 1844-1906.djvu */Edit

Kathleen, there are only 5 images left to validate to complete this book that was a "proofread of the month" that was announced as completed -- but it had no images done -- so I did them. Would you validate them please? Thank you for everyone’s sake and have a blessed day. 10:30, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

horizontal ruleEdit

It only takes four dashes to make a horizontal rule. Any dashes beyond that are superfluous. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Index: templatesEdit

To note that with the new approach to looking at reviewing transclusions we can morph from {{index transcluded}} → → {{index validated date}} as shown here. I tried to keep it simple enough that we transcluded = parameter carries over. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:09, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Need to checkEdit

If you are going to mark works as fully transcluded [7], then we need for you to have run a check. That work had two pages that were missed and the transclusions needed to be resolved to include those missing pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Fully transcluded?Edit

Hi. You have recently moved a swathe of works to fully transcluded, yet I look at Index:Mount Seir, Sinai and Western_Palestine.djvu and its transclusion report and it isn't fully transcluded as the index pages are not done. I am not sure what criteria you have used for your check, however, I have been working on anything that is proofread or validated (or should be) as my measure, and anything else is NOT, or NOT ADVERTISING. Would you mind double checking what has been moved, or maybe providing your criteria for further discussion. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:39, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

KW. Please would you address my raised issue. I don't find it reasonable that you don't communicate when a reasonable query is put to you. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I admit I made a few mistakes, but they have now been corected and I will be double checking from now on. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 04:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
A couple of things. Firstly, going silent is not the preferable means to communicate, one doesn't know whether a message is heard or not, or how received. Secondly, I am not certain that you are quite understanding what is trying to be achieved with transclusion check, and I am seeing quite a high error rate. For example this one, [8] which happened today which shows minimal transclusion. There are others.

The purpose of the transclusion check is on the published work in its entirety, and differs from proofread/validation status which is on the main part of the work. For a transclusion status, every page marked as validated or proofread should be transcluded, or if they are not so marked, and won't be transcluded then they should be categorised as "not transcluded", and as stated, the advertising should be considered as it is part of the edition of that time. This process needs rigour in the checking as they are very unlikely to be rechecked once done, and as a visual check using the tool it is not a complex check. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I've been trying to find the transclusion checker page, but it no longer seems to exist. I'll go over everything again ASAP, I'm a bit busy at the moment editing my Church newsletter. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 11:31, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Umm, it is linked from every Index page, top right hand corner. One of the pertinent reasons for doing this is picking up errors such as [9] where someone used the old transclusion methodology and missed a page. I have found about ~20-30 such errors in the thousand or so works checked so far, let alone images excluded/missed, indexes, etc.
Thanks, as I said I'll get to it ASAP.--kathleen wright5 (talk) 12:06, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
@Kathleen.wright5: The indexes have now been checked, the only index that was wrong and not corrected by you was Index:Basic Law of Hong Kong.djvu where pages 69-74 need transcluding. While checking I made a few mistakes--which have been corrected. One other thing is PSM Volume 26 pages 909, 910, 912 and 915 are not transcluded, but are in the transcluded Category as shown here [10] These pages were checked by MpaaBot.--kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for (non-)module deletionsEdit

of high-risk, module other, module rating and ombox. As you may have gathered from my scathing remarks this misplaced set have been bothering me for upward of six months. Your actions have side-stepped a confrontation in the making and for that you deserve praise. AuFCL (talk) 05:13, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Index:The Story of Joseph and His Brethren.djvuEdit

Had you claimed this one? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Moments ago I finished validating all of the proofread pages in the book cited above. --Maury (talk) 05:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Kathleen, again, I have validated the pages marked proofread. Please continue the book even though two pages are missing because the book’s subject is worthy to be read and because we may find those two pages and type them in. Respectfully, --Maury (talk) 17:58, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Index:Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol 3.djvuEdit

Kathleen, would you please come proofread/validate pages in Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol.3.? Pretty please ? --Maury (talk) 21:59, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi again, Kathleen, and thank you for the pages you worked on. I myself do not use fb. There are too many volumes (9) of Cassell's Illustrated History of England that I really want to complete. I do the images, some proofreads, and some validations, but I want others to help so that all volumes are completed. It is overwhelming as it is. Tannersf wants vol 2 all to himself as much as possible and that’s fine with me. ShakespeareFan00 was working on vol. 3 but has disappeared and the two of them plus myself aren’t enough workers as anyone can see. Kindest regards, --Maury (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Kathleen, once again I come to you asking for your help. But then at least it isn’t only for me but for generations coming behind my age group. Would you please assist with Validations of Cassell’s Illustrated History of England volume 3. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_3.djvu --Maury (talk) 15:12, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

{copied from my talk page.) --Maury (talk) 06:40, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

121 Plan of City of Adelaide, South Australia

I thought you might like to see what the City of Adelaide, South Australia looks like - Page:Garden Cities of To-morrow (1902).djvu/139 Adelaide is plan No. 4. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

It looks okay but I cannot really know a city by it’s plans of 1902. I know very little about Australia and have never been there. Did Australia have to fight against England for freedoms or is she still under England’s rule? Please send a color photo of your pet kangaroo. The plans for my house is all I need <smile> Do you have a private e-mail address? How is your health doing? Keep the Faith, -- Maury

BTW, please don’t edit volume 2 because that is Tannersf’s personal project. He also plans to transclude vol.2. But Volume 3 is open so would you help on volume 3?

122 History of Australia and personal details

Australia was discovered by Lieutenant (later Captain) James Cook in 1770. Then the First Fleet arrived in Botany Bay, New South Wales on the southeast coast of Australia to establish a penal colony. There later penal colonies around Australia except South Australia which was founded by free settlers in 1836. The penal colonies ended in 1851 and became regular colonies, which continued to 1901 when the Federation of The Commonwealth of Australia began. There was no armed uprising. Today Australia is a Constitutional Monarchy under Queen Elizabeth II, although some people want a Republic. For more details see Wikipedia:History of Australia. My private email address is kathleen.wright@internode.on.net. The last antibiotics I had was on 19th September and now I'm waiting for my leg to heal from the cellulitis blisters. Most of it has healed up except a section on the front which has almost healed and a section on the back which is healing slowly, so please continue to pray. There was some drama here on Wednesday 28 September when there was a statewide power blackout. The metropolitan area came back on Thursday 29th, but some country areas are still out (Friday 30 September), and of course questions are now being asked as to why it happened. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 22:55, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Timeline of Australian History--kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Off WS Topic But. . .Edit

Kathleen, I saw your message. I fully expected you to be healed. I don’t want to say more on WS OR FB they are too personal. Good to hear that you are doing better, I expected it. You know where healing through prayer, effort, and determination comes from ! - Maury


Thanks, but don't forget to delete the related PAGE namespace pages marked with {{copyvio}} too. They still seem to be extant.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:43, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

I want...Edit

I really want people to stay off of all the volumes of Cassell's. I despair every time logging on to here and seeing more pages progressed! I let you and ShakespeareFan work with Maury on voume 3, but I really want to do the rest. For example, I see that I have about 20-25 pages left for V2, but then just a few hours later they are almost all practically validated - this is what annoys me! I don't want to feel like I need to be on this site for 24 hours a day just so I can proofread what I want to proofread! - Tannertsf (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

"stay off of all the volumes"?

No way, Tannertsf, I *asked* Kathleen to please *validate all of my work* if it was good enough to be validated. It is part of what both she (an administrator) and I signed up to do in a special area of Volunteer Validators List long ago. You cannot have all people to totally stay away from all 9 volumes. You are not being reasonable to think you can do all of the volumes. _You want_? How about what others on Wikisource want? Share and be friendly unless there is destruction. I wanted Kathleen and Shakespeare to work on volume 3 while I did the images and some text. I reserved the right to do a some text on volume 2, as a break from image work. Kathleen validated my work for me. Shakespeare helps everywhere and often without asking him. All people can do any volume they want as long as it is good work and not vandalism. Kathleen is a good person and a strong Christian who is not inclined to do anything wrong on purpose. Again, she validated my work as I asked her. Tanner, you are the *best worker* with hardly a mistake that I have seen on these volumes because you *care* but they are not all your volumes. As I type this I think the information in the discussion page lists Kathleen and Shakespeare and someone that else I cannot recall now. Please do not chase people away from all volumes Let them work - proofread, validate, set things up like the lists of volumes and more that you did not do. --Maury (talk) 22:59, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok sorry about the raging this morning. I am one of those people who, despite being a good Christian most of the time, can blow a lot of steam when my day isn't going well. This time, it was the shock of seeing those v2 pages validated. I regret posting this message, but it just hurts when I see pages where I cannot proofread/format because someone else has already done it. But I know not everyone can not work on this series, because if they would like too, they can I guess. I just am afraid that any small work leads to someone doing 100+ pages in a short amount of time, and does those pages so well that I really don't have anything to add to them. That's my biggest fear. Again, I apologize, but I just want to be clear to people on how I feel. - Tannertsf (talk) 00:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I don’t know about a woman’s world but I do know it often takes a very good man to apologise to anyone for anything. I understand the situation but I think Kathleen was a bit shocked. Look above and you will see where I often asked, and at times almost begged, Kathleen to validate my pages. I think she is the kind of lady that is hurt too easily. Look at her User Page. She is a member of the Salvation Army - people that help those who need help. I also know, Tanner, that you area very good person and family man. You were shocked and who wouldn’t be? I know how well you have done and I would probably have reacted the same or similar as you did. I think part of that situation must have been my mistake. Volume 2 was basically for you, Tanner, but I reserved the right to do some text pages. I did some and marked them as proofread, or just inserted images in some pages and marked those. By asking Kathleen as I usually do, neither I nor she thought of volume 2 being all yours. The pages she did were my worked pages marked proofread. So, I too apologise to Kathleen and to you Tanner. I should have told you to expect Kathleen to validate my work but I didn’t think that would be a problem. So that part of the situation is my fault and nobody elses. I can only hope that all is forgiven and that Kathleen will return to help us. I hope that she forgives us as a Christian would. It was a simple mistake that blew up because we care about what we are doing. Forgive my part, please, both of you. Life is just strange sometimes. At least we can forgive and don’t hate. That is also what Christianity is about. --Maury (talk) 03:02, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
I accept apoligies from you both. Maury it may look as though I'm ignoring the pages you're proofreading, but you have to remember my timezone is 17 1/2 hours ahead of yours--Daylight Saving in South Australia at the moment. Right now it's 2pm Tuesday Australian Central Daylight Time. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:30, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Kathleen, you’re Wright 5 times over but it is hard enough to remember to put my socks on with my shoes much less "remember" Australia’s time zones. Please adjust those time zones, or at least your clock, so it will be easier on me. :) (kidding) --Maury (talk) 08:36, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

/* Thanks */Edit

Kathleen, Have a special Thanksgiving my friend. We four together put in some good work on Cassell’s volumes! What does the Salvation Army do for thanksgiving -- feed others? While growing up in Virginia my parents and I always gave to the Salvation Army. It was a very cold season, often with deep snow, but the Salvation Army was always out there in those small, bright as Santa’s Red Sleigh, houses collecting money with a person ringing a brass bell and a having black pot, for the needy. That bright Red went well with the White Snow and Multicolored Christmas lights which made Christmas look even more like Christmas! Where I am in Texas we don’t have this beauty or snow. May GOD always Bless you Kathleen. --Maury (talk) 20:07, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

We don't have Thanksgiving in Australia, it's just another ordinary day. In Australia the Salvation Army's main collecting periods are the Salvation Army Christmas Appeal in December and the Red Shield Appeal in May. In Australia Christmas is in Summer, so defintely no snow and the temperature can be upto 40c (104F) or even more. The next holidays in South Australia are Christmas Day, Boxing Day/Proclamation Day (December 26th) when South Australia was founded, usually on 28th, additional day 27th (2016 only). For 2017 New Years Day with additional day on 2nd January because New Years falls on a Sunday. Australia Day 26th January, when Captain Cook discovered Australia. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 04:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
P.S. I've also sent by email a few links you might like to look at. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 06:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Gods of MarsEdit

Hooray! Looks like you and John Carter are completing The Gods of Mars. I've been too busy with other projects to finish helping, so I'm glad to see the two of you are powering through it. Remember also, that the index page for The Warlord of Mars is set up and ready to go if the two of you wish to continue on to the next book.

Happy Christmas to you! --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Index:Eminent Victorians.djvuEdit

Hi KW. Would you mind queuing the completion of "Eminent Victorians"? I have done all that I can. Thanks if you can. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


Is this at a state where it can be featured? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Not quite, some other edit said it was transcluded but djvu pages 113 - 122 and 215 haven't been transcluded yet. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 22:33, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Index:The pilgrims progress as originally published by John Bunyan ; being a facsimile of the first edition (1878).djvuEdit

Converted some pages of this to use sidenotes {{Outside R}}, it doesn't fully work but I've been told using sidenote templates is the CORRECT markup for this, pending a longer term soloution.

I'm sure you can come up with a "better" layout arrangement that doesn't mangle the layout and sidenoteing. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Please stop jumping on indexes I'm working onEdit

Hi Kathleen, By jumping in on the Heraldry index while I'm working on it you've actually messed up what I'm doing with the Match and Split. Very unhelpful. Please desist from any future fiddling with works that I'm currently working on. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:06, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

/*Index:Cassell's Illustrated History of England vol 4.djvu*/Edit

Kathleen, would you please validate 3 pages in volume 4? —Maury (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for deleting Encyclopædia Britannica, Ninth Edition/Copan and the other redirect. -- PBS (talk) 12:08, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Page:Three Years in Europe.djvu/430Edit

It is not from another work. It is the list of the author's Bengali and Sanskrit books. In other words, advertisement page. Hrishikes (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

/* Cassell's Illustrated History of England volumes */Edit

Kathleen, As you have seen I am now working on Volume 6 images. I intend to do all images of all 9 volumes and the text that goes with them because I think often people will leave images to be done by others. I want to take this time to thank you for "going the extra mile" in these volumes thus far. Always feel free to work on any text that pleases you. To my knowledge these volumes are unique because there are double columns and thus smaller text in every other volume ever created. This is good for the eyes that need enlarged text and the volumes become the first for that. I don’t know but it may be better for screen readers where the blind and poor-sighted need this updated situation. I thank you for all that you have done, and that is a lot, including vol.6 today. Some are proofread and some are transcluded. In time, I hope and pray for completion of everything to do with these volumes. Again, it serves those who cannot see or have less sight than we. God be with you and your loved ones always. With all due respect, —Maury (talk) 10:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Page:UK Traffic Signs Manual - Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs. 2008 (Second Impression 2008).pdf/78Edit

SVG file updated.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:38, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

/* Cassell's Illustrated History of England volumes */Edit


Kathleen, if you can work in validating some of "Cassell's Illustrated History of England" volumes 4-6 -- I would certainly appreciate it -- especially volume 4 since that is the closest to being finished. You are the only person I can rely upon to validate these. My wife died early this morning in her sleep and I am trying to keep my mind occupied mostly through reading and wikisource. I am a Virginian alone in the big state of Texas and I really don’t like it. These are times that try people’s souls! Thank you for everything you have helped me with. —William Maury Morris IITalk 06:45, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


Kathleen, would you please validate volume 6 p4 and the other one colored yellow? Bless you, —William Maury Morris IITalk 13:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Poor validationEdit

Please do validations properly. I was working through the Tom Swift book when you suddenly dropped in in front of me. I kept reading. I have had to redo your validations because you are missing multiple problems—spellings, missing and malformed quotation marks and the like. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

deletion of Going Down The Road Feelin' BadEdit

A little surprised to see this work; added in 2008; deleted without a deletion conversation. I have undeleted, so you can put it before the community, if you so choose. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:29, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Sousa's novelsEdit

Thanks for getting The Fifth String validated so quickly! As you have noticed, I also started Sousa's second novel "Pipetown Sandy" (transcription project) (for younger readers), and already uploaded all the images. However, I have no plans to work on the book at any time in the forseeable future, so if it interests you, then by all means take the reigns. Again, thanks! --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

N.B.: I have also sent this message of thanks and offer to Beeswaxcandle (talkcontribs) --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for validationEdit

Kathleen - thank you for validating two pages of An Exposition of the Old and New Testament (1828). I had previously prepared these two for validation by doing a second check on them. If it's OK with you I will contact you with more pages that have had a final check from me as I need them.PeterR2 (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

I also have Page:An_Exposition_of_the_Old_and_New_Testament_(1828)_vol_1.djvu/83 ready for validation if you would be willing to take a look at it for me, please. PeterR2 (talk) 09:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for validating several more pages in addition to the one I requested. I have subsequently done the thorough read-through final proofing which I like to do (and had already done for the page I requested), which resulted in the correction of further minor typos and formatting on each page.PeterR2 (talk) 12:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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I'm not sure why you added an {{nop}} here. The next page continues the same paragraph, so there shouldn't be an nop at the bottom of this page. I have removed it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Reminder: Share your feedback in this Wikimedia surveyEdit

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Validating Repplier's worksEdit

Hi Kathleen! I am in the process of validating Repplier's works proofread by Cygnis insignis. I am also reading as I validate. If you are interested in her works, I don't want to dissuade you from validating, but I was wondering if you could possibly instead validate from her works that I have proofread, such as Index:Counter-currents, Agnes Repplier, 1916.djvu? I am going through Compromises currently, and while I have no issue with your validating that work if you have an interest in the essays from the volume, at least I wanted you to know that I will still visit your validated pages as I 'read'. Thanks :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and...curiousEdit

It's such a delight to log in and find that a whole swathe of pages I've worked on have been validated. Appropriately enough, I think "validating" is the best word for the feeling it inspires. Thank you for all your work on Whitman's ride through savage lands, with sketches of Indian life and Atlantis Arisen.

I'm curious, did the subject matter of these books draw you in, or has it caught your interest? I've been working on a lot of related material recently, and am interested in other people's perspectives on it. The Marcus Whitman story in particular has a fascinating history. The book you've been validating was one of several by Nixon, but this one was published several years after his central views on Whitman had been decisively debunked, most prominently by E. G. Bourne in an article in the American Historical Review. This background makes the commentary in his brief Preface all the more interesting. -Pete (talk) 17:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

As always, many thanks for your continued efforts on works like Atlantis Arisen. Always nice to have some unexpected help! -Pete (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

New Index creationEdit

@Kathleen.wright5:Hi. Please give me the chance to create and proofread the pages before validating.— Ineuw talk 22:54, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Index:Philip Birnbaum - ha-Siddur ha-Shalem (The Daily Prayer Book,1949).pdfEdit

Thanks Kathleen so much for your help with the English-language pages of this book! :-)

I see that you have formatting experience (using Proofread Page). If you have any suggestions for improvements please let me know. Dovi (talk) 11:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kathleen. In your comment on my talk page you mentioned Hebrew characters on some of the pages. I assume that you are referring to Hebrew words within the English text of the explanations at the bottom of the page. I would therefore suggest proofreading the main part of the page, and even the English explanation at the bottom, but simply leaving the Hebrew words blank (or even putting in a temporary "X"). Then when I go over them I can easily type in the missing words and validate the page. Dovi (talk) 12:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

In the meantime I've gone through the extant pages to deal with the explanations at the bottoms of the pages. The most reasonable solution seems to be to turn them into regular footnotes (each of them is tied to a specific snippet of the main text). It turns out that precisely the pages you chose are the ones with the longest explanations by far in the entire book! No other pages in the book, as far as I can tell, have nearly this much explanatory text below the main text. You happen to have chosen the most complicated pages in the book to start...

I finished the explanatory notes on those pages, and the rest should be easier. Dovi (talk) 20:46, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kathleen, whatever was wrong on page 6 is now fixed. I think the problem was that when text is within a "center" template, and there is a footnote on that text, the "ref" needs to be placed right after the text before the end brackets of the template ("}}"). Otherwise, the footnote number will appear on the next line. Dovi (talk) 12:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Kathleen, thank you for all your continued help.

Two technical points:

  1. Your use of Template:Hebrew missing is perfect. It makes it easier for me to spot where the Hebrew is found, and simply change the template to Template:He when I type it in. I have added Template:He to all of the extant pages that contain Hebrew characters.
  2. One thing I do not know how to do is format the Table of Contents properly, in two columns with the titles and the numbers with links. It would be great if you know how, or could refer me to somebody who does.

Thanks, Dovi (talk) 07:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Kathleen, I want to thank you for your continuing contributions to the English language pages of Birnbaum's Daily Prayer Book. Over the past week or so I starting focusing on the Hebrew-language pages, and until just now I had not notice that you continued here and completed so much!

Right now I'm focusing on the Hebrew, and trying to keep to a pace of about two pages per day. I know that doesn't sound like a lot, but it is, because on the Hebrew side it involves diactriticals for vocalization and OCR cannot be used.

Now that I see the contributions you made, I'll try to go over the pages in the near future, to finish the Hebrew characters and validate. Thank you so much :-) Dovi (talk) 06:07, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!Edit

Thank you for validating a lot of my projects!! I really appreciate it, Kathleen! –MJLTalk 22:13, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Category:129 BCE births‎Edit

Please do not delete these categories. We have an anon IP who has been going around and repeatedly tagging them for deletion, but they should not be deleted. All that does is create redlinked holes in the coverage. The category may be empty now, but that does not mean no humans were born in that year. Future additions will require that these categories exist, and that is why we had a bot create them. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The Osteology of the ReptilesEdit

Thanks for your help validating. I hope to finish adding the images over the next week, and the remaining pages will then need validation. I began working with another editor, who seems to have gone dormant. But the result is that every page has actually been checked once (by him), and is awaiting a second pass (by me) to add the images. So validation should be easier than usual despite the technical text, but that doesn't mean there won't be mistakes to catch. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC)



I noticed you finished up Bedford-Jones--Boy Scouts of the Air at Cape Peril after I had validated the majority of it. I'm familiar with your name, because you have done this on previous books I was validating. I know there is no ownership of anything here. But I generally pick my projects from some random thing that catches my eye as something I would like to read (the whole thing) and validate as I go along. They're usually things that have been out there for so many years, that it's not like they've been a priority for anyone. You've finished up what I was working on enough times that it seems you might be looking at my editing history and thinking you'll help. You can get it done faster, or whatever reason. So what you do when you take what I'm working on and finish it up ... is that you've taken away something I was enjoying working on and reading, page by page. You aborted a little project I was getting pleasure out of. If I'm wrong, dang what an odd sequence of coincidence. But if I'm correct, please stop helping me. I like to finish what I start. Maile66 (talk) 00:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

How People May Live and not Die in IndiaEdit

Would you please not usurp a proofreading project I'm actively working on? There do exist such things as lunch breaks, you know. BethNaught (talk) 10:45, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Index:Freeman v6.djvuEdit

Back in 2017 you marked this as needing OCR, but looking at it the text layer looks fine to me. Can you take a look so we can get it out of the backlog? --Xover (talk) 06:54, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion despite objectionsEdit

I would like to express disagreement with deleting the redirect The Witch-Cult in Western Europe/Book reviews/Nature despite the objections raised against the deletion. The template {{sdelete}} reads: "If you disagree with its speedy deletion, please explain why on its talk page." I have explained the reason against the deletion in accordance with this guidance at Talk:The Witch-Cult in Western Europe/Book reviews/Nature. The original rationale of the deletion request was that it was redirected to a red link, but I corrected this and you must have seen that the link was not red anymore. Despite this you deleted the page, without adressing my point at the talk page and your summary only repeated the original request, although the redirect had been changed in the meantime. The redirect was not making any harm, while its deletion might make harm as I explained there. Can you please renew it? Thank you very much. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much for restoring it. --Jan Kameníček (talk) 20:10, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for validating! Tanka222 (talk) 07:45, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Canadian Singers and Their Songs: Thanks.Edit

Thanks for your help. I stupidly created a transcluded version with the page name https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Canadian_Singers_and_Their_Songs & then did it right. Are you able to delete the incorrect version? Jason Boyd (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

The SonnetsEdit

If you're interested in validating Shakespeare's Sonnets, might I suggest Index:Shakespeare's Sonnets (1923) Yale.djvu, a complete copy that had been fully proofread once. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:32, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Something's going wrong in your validation. The sections breaks are being broken. I'm not sure what's causing the problem, but it's breaking the transclusion of the work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The pages to be OK if I touch-edit after you've validated, but I can't see why your validation is breaking the sections. You can continue, but it will require that another editor come along after you to "touch-edit" after you've validated to fix the problem. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
It looks like possibly something is going wrong with the javascript gadget for easy sections: on loading a page it is supposed to convert <section blah> syntax into ## Section Name ## syntax, and then do the reverse when the page is saved. Looking at the diffs, it looks like the script is doing the former but not the latter, leading to the "convenience" syntax (that Mediawiki doesn't actually understand; it's a fiction invented by the Gadget here) being saved. No idea what might be causing that, but it sounds like a browser issue. --Xover (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest switching to Firefox. I used to use Safari on my old Mac, but it became more and more problematic until I quit using Safari altogether. Firefox ought to work OK. However, it's also possible you have something in your Preferences or a Gadget turned on that is causing the problem. I would double-check your Preferences and Gadget settings before installing another browser. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what to look for. In the past, I once had an issue that was corrected simply by turning on of my Gadgets off then on again. Look for any settings or gadgets that pertain to the way that editing is displayed. However, It may simply be a Safari issue, so if you have the option of trying the edits on another computer that has Firefox or another browser already installed, I would try that. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Xover (talk) has the same browser as me and says he's not seeing any issues on his side.--kathleen wright5 (talk) 20:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
My point is that: if you can try editing from another browser on a different computer, and you see the same behavior, then it's probably something in your Preferences or Gadget settings. Just trying a different computer / browser can help narrow down the problem to seeing what might be the cause. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:41, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

So if it's browser-independent, the problem is likely in your account settings for Preferences / Gadgets. It may even be an issue cause by something unexpected, such as your choice of Skin. I would first check to see if you have the Visual Editor enabled, as that seems to cause more problems on Wikisource than just about anything else. However, my knowledge of some of these settings is limited. There are other editors here such as Xover and Billinghurst that are more likely to be able to identify the problem if it's caused by your Preferences settings. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

In the meantime, you can certainly proofread works that are not broken with section tags. Perhaps Index:Christie - The Mysterious Affair at Styles.djvu which is Agatha Christie's first Poirot novel. It was published exactly 100 years ago and so would make a nice featured text for the coming year. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC)


Please don't do that. The formatting you are using will not work for transclusion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Index:Birnbaum Haggadah.pdfEdit

Hi Kathleen,

I saw that you took some initial steps with this book. I know it's been a slow process, but in the meantime I have finished the vocalized Hebrew text for this in its entirety (at Hebrew Wikisource), and would be happy to proofread the English. However, there seems to be a technical glitch: As far as I can tell, the OCR on this book doesn't work. All I see is grey filling the box, but the characters don't appear.

As for the related book that we had begun to collaborate on, namely the prayer book, I have finished the vocalized Hebrew text (at Hebrew Wikisource) for the first third (daily prayers) and the last third (holidays and blessings). I hope to begin the middle part in the near future, and when that is done I hope that we can work together again on the English text.

In the meantime, I would be grateful if you could look at the English text for this book, and check if the OCR works for you. Dovi (talk) 06:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for proofreading Computer Misuse Act 1993. In fact, I appreciate if you can take part in proofreading more Singaporean law texts. As a newly created and significant portal, your contributions will be important to the portal's further development.廣九直通車 (talk) 14:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Index:Desert News Mona Lisa article.pngEdit

You deleted Index:Desert News Mona Lisa article.png -- the image does exist, File:Desert News Mona Lisa article.png; but it's probably right to delete the Index page, because unlike a PDF, it's only one page. I couldn't find any documentation on how to handle such sources -- your thoughts or pointers would be gratefully appreciated! JesseW (talk) 14:10, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

This should still use an index page for consistency as a scan-backed work, but the <pagelist/> tag doesn't work in that case. You have to list the pages manually in the "Pages" field, which is easy when there is only one page. See Help:Index_pages#Using_individual_image_files. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 16:52, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Sigh --- here we go againEdit

Please see the "Editing" section on this talk page, where I asked you on April 15, 2019 to stop jumping in and finishing off any editing project I'm working on - which you had done in other previous times - no matter how slowly you think I'm working on it. You responded on my talk page that it was a coincidence. Well, you're doing it again on Index:Autumn. From the Journal of Henry D. Thoreau.djvu. Please stop it. I would like to finish these little projects myself, and you're taking all the reading pleasure out of it for me ... now that you've edited I don't know how many pages I'll miss reading in the story. Stop doing this, please. Maile66 (talk) 02:10, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

We sent you an e-mailEdit

Hello Kathleen.wright5,

Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email surveys@wikimedia.org.

You can see my explanation here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)



I really appreciate the validation of Lord of the World, but could I just ask that you stop proofreading just for a little bit? I have been trying to test a script on the un-proofread matched-and-split pages and I keep finding the page is proofread under me while I'm debugging. Thanks :-) Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 19:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. Thank you for your patience. If you'd like to continue validating and/or proofreading Lord of the World, I think I am done with the defects I was trying to fix.
@BethNaught: thanks for diligently catching the errors in question (, " and missing paragraphs) - hopefully there will be fewer now I've fixed the match-and-split source and the script! Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 22:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


As many people above have asked, including me on a former occasion, please stop jumping in to indexes that other people have recently created and started, like you just did at Index:Woman and the Bible.pdf. If I am proofreading a work, then validation is fine, but not usurping the proofreading: I want to read it through, and, by having a single proofreader, set a consistent style, something you did not even do in the scope of a single page (e.g. straight vs curly quotes on page 4). BethNaught (talk) 07:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi, his life, writings and speechesEdit

Thank you for your recent effort in validating this work. I see your work all over Wikisource; it is much appreciated. I have just finished proofreading the index; would you mind transcluding the rest of the work? TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC).

Index:The Annals of the Cakchiquels.djvuEdit

The special characters invented by Francisco de la Parra used in this work are: tz Ꜩ ꜩ, cuatrillo Ꜭ ꜭ, cuatrillo with commaꜮ ꜯ, and tresillo Ꜫ ꜫ. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 21:29, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Index:Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management.djvuEdit

Thanks for reminding me to check the accents on the menu tables. Want to give these another attempt at validation? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

publisher markEdit

Along with making very cheerful recent changes and lately watchlists, you are now leaving beautiful publisher marks! I am very difficult to please on this one particular thing. I thank you so much that I really have no problem with the beautiful mark!--RaboKarbakian (talk) 05:02, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


Re Index:Autobiographies and portraits of the President, cabinet, Supreme court, and Fifty-fifth Congress (IA autobiographiesp02neal).pdf pages, thanks for hopping on double checking that right away (and seeming to to a good job of it, looking at what you fixed). Dunno if you noticed, but I've actually been uploading crops from the jp2's of those images on Commons for a bit now, so replacing low-res old uploads, and it seemed a bit silly not to transcribe it over here as well. The embedded OCR is not too bad, but it's all scrambled... seems like all the semicolons confused it. I'm actually proofreading this from the IA viewer, instead of the WS one, as the compression artifacts are terrible over here, but making sure I get those and commas correct is something to watch out for.

Take a glance at commons:Category:Autobiographies and portraits of the President, cabinet, Supreme court, and Fifty-fifth Congress if you want, to see what it looks like over there. It's one of those cases where, for some reason, the IA scanned the volumes in the wrong order.

I'm also thinking it would make sense to create a TOC for this, even though it doesn't have one, and put the photos and biographies on 'dictionary entry' type pages during transclusion, but I'm not quite sure how to get that to work. Jarnsax (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Non-breaking spacesEdit

Why would you remove them? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

The Decisive BattlesEdit

Hi, just a quick note of feedback regarding this edit.

Since the page is a table of contents but is missing both the correct table formatting and any links to chapters etc., I think it is premature to mark it as Proofread. Even though all the actual text is verified and the character-level formatting is applied, the page doesn't really fulfil its function in this state and wouldn't be appropriate for transclusion in its current state. It's kind of an edge case, but on this one I'd say "Proofread" isn't yet warranted.

PS. Wow, your talk page is getting long!  :) Let me know if you're interested in setting up automatic archiving of it, and I'd be happy to help. Xover (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


Hi Kathleen, I just added the images and validated the rest of the pages you proofread (very well), so you might like to create the page for The olive fairy book/Madschun. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 16:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Cheers :) I added the code to use the index pages. You asked about the previous section, the front matter, that will all be at The olive fairy book when it is created. You are a good proofreader, I appreciate your help when you find things I miss. If I can help with anything, feel free to ask me. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 02:25, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
That is very kind, I often make little blunders that need cleaning up. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 10:07, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
So you know what is going on: This index you are helping with, Index:Stories from the Arabian nights 1911 - Houseman - Dulac.djvu, is very similar to the one I just completed! I didn't look at the options carefully enough, the new one has better copies of the images and more of them. If you want to do more I can recommend these versions, but I'm happy to read them again. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi again. Editing the same pages at the same time creates difficulties for me, there are many other things to do instead. Sincerely, Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Finding lint-errors...Edit

You might find this useful - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint

It's been useful for finding mismatched template pairs, and '' " confusions amongst other things. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:27, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

distribution of our effortEdit

Hi Kathleen, thanks for doing a second proofread on the indexes I am working on, in particular the typos and scannos I don't see the first time around. I am wondering if you would like to collaborate on a work that you are interested in: I can do images, and any other bits and pieces, and 'validate' (second proofreading) the text corrections you are so good at. The fiddly parts, like setting up a new work, I can probably manage for you. Checks are still welcome, although I feel that some of the works I do are not appropriate reading for some Christian readers. What do you think? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 10:19, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

I replied at my talk page. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 17:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Index:Brief View of the Progress of Interior Discovery in New South Wales (IA jstor-1797758).pdfEdit

In case it is of interest to track through. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 08:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Or a South Australian one Index:Expeditions of Discovery in South Australia (IA jstor-1798142).pdf  billinghurst sDrewth 07:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

or Index:South Australia (IA jstor-1798156).pdf a shorty — billinghurst sDrewth 14:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

File:Stories from Old English Poetry -Facing Page 252.pngEdit

Hi! While I did return to a project that I had been doing before my computer broke and well, etc. That had the images filled with png (where mine had been jpeg) and I tore all of those out and put in jpeg. I did this on the example of Cygnis who not only tore my images from his Red Fairy book but was kind of rude about it.

The whole thing is just oozing with politics and ethics and I might not be on the "right side" of those which is terrible to me.

This is the thing about Spind1 or whatever that nick is. I had another project and I was glad that it was "taken over" and the images and the proofing done by others. There were many others, in fact, too many that I could not remember all of their nicks. After the computer/time downage, when I went back to the project, all of the many nicks are gone and replaced with that one Spind1 or whatever. Do you know how that happened?

So, in the Amateur Greenhouse, I did not feel quite so bad about replacing the images in the project I had started. The ultimate justification is this though. I think a project should be all jpeg or all png.

So, two parts to this, that question about the disappearing names, and this: could you replace this image with a jpeg, for the reason I gave about having the whole project in one format?

I am sorry about all the ickiness (my feelings and conduct) that I bring with me. Although, I would truly like to know what happened to the people and make this claim, I have more respect for people whose work is their own.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

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