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Bluerasberry, above is your standard welcome message as it gives some helpful links but I wanted to add that it was very nice to meet you yesterday at GLAMWiki Boot Camp! I hope you find Wikisource worth coming back to and let me know if you have any questions.--Doug.(talk contribs) 19:05, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

/* Closing up spaces */Edit


When editing we here on Wikisource close up spaces such as space : and space ; and space —

I have been correcting yours and here is an example of where I did not correct the example.

Kindest regards and a hearty welcome to WikiSource!

—Maury (talk) 22:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Maury, there is no such rule and not everyone on Wikisource does this - I frequently don't depending on the work. Likely Bluerasberry was following my lead as I padded some dashes yesterday. There is a preference in the style guide but "[t]hese are not hard rules, and can be ignored where necessary". A group of editors set this up this way, you shouldn't change conscious formatting decisions without a really good reason; particularly to a work that you have not been involved in setting up. Additionally, this work was not complete and these issues can easily be addressed with a script at any time, there is no reason to "correct" the proofreading. --Doug.(talk contribs) 23:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Bluerasberry, so that you and anyone else from the group know, there is actually a recommended way to note layout and formatting decisions. Theornamentalist has now posted the layout and formatting rules for this work at Index talk:The Yellow Wall Paper.djvu, which is always a good practice when one diverges from the Style Guide or has a complicated work. It's especially important for longer works where multiple people may be working on the work at the same time and not notice formatting decisions by others. Multiple people working on a work as short as The Yellow Wall Paper is quite rare - aside from our Boot Camp ;-) --Doug.(talk contribs) 01:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I see that Maury deleted spaces here. Regardless of whether that is a rule, is it preferable to do this? What is the rationale? All of this is new to me and I want to have good habits. Also, what did Maury do to my dash? I have read about fights over short horizontal lines; should I learn the differences between them? Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:41, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I wish to explain my actions. I myself have never liked closing up words with a m-dash but it is what I was told to do many years ago. I think it causes some areas to look terrible but I do it because I was taught to do it. People here naturally vary. None of us are alike in everything. I was validating pages on a book like I have done for many years and many books over years. I was following behind another editor who was proof-reading pages that were not touched yet. He does the same as I was taught to do. Please look at the other pages that were done. You will see that both of us were working together. He proofread and I validated. Then I saw a page or more with the name Blue Raspberry. I continued as always have done since I was told to close up the spaces and again that was many years ago.

If you look at this page it is a page that was proofread by another editor and a very professional editor. [1]

There are many pages he did and I validated behind him. This is not unusual because people here try to work together helping each other. However, I was not aware that you, Blue Raspberry, are new here. This happened to me long ago also. Often people here do not want to scare away a new person. But I didn't know that you are new here and mostly because people here will sometimes, often actually, change their names by request. So, I had no idea if you were new or had been here and were using a newer name (alias). I just continued validating and when I found the spaces I closed them up as I was taught long ago. Doug states that he uses one method and another. I don't because after not closing up spaces I was eventually told to start closing up spaces. I myself think that idea for a new person creates a bad habit. One way or another seems best but not either way as Doug does but then Doug has been here for many years too. Many of us have. I do not do as Doug does and not everyone does as Doug does. Doug explains his method but not mine and not everyone else's methods. Not even the person I was following when validating your book. I also had no idea that it was your project. Typically people don't bother a new person's project. But this is for sure and that is other's should not allow any new person to learn something wrong and later tell that person to start changing this or that after a habit has been formed. That happened to me. Here on Wikisource I did not close up all spaces and I had placed two volumes of text on Wikisource averaging, I think, about 500-600 pages each volume. It is still here; search for Exploration of the Valley of the Amazon (2 volumes) and a habit was formed in me in not closing up spaces that I had to learn no longer to do. Again, people here help each other and we all have our ways of doing things. There are other points in this I showed above about closing up a space when you have : and ; and " marks. Books do not always do that but here we are supposed to. I don't know the why of it all but I follow those rules I was taught as best as I can. I have validated thousands of pages over these years and here and now is the first time I have seen anyone but specifically Doug state anything other than close up the spaces as I did and as the person proofreading before me did as I came behind him validating. He obviously was not aware that you are new and this book was your project either. My validates were after he posted his proofreads that you never did. Nobody in this is a bad person. We here work together as best as we can and are like family to each other but we all can and do make mistakes. If what I did was a mistake then there are thousands of pages in other books that nobody ever saw was a mistake and that would not be accurate because they were not mistakes or somebody would have announced that the rules on this has changed. I hope that this helps and we need to ask others about this instead of just Doug who switches from one to another depending upon the book he is working on as he himself states above. Billinghurst, George Orwell III, the fellow I mentioned in my link above, and many others are very professional and can summarize this better than I can. But now, at least, you have more information about this particular situation and my part in it. Again, welcome to wikisource. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 00:51, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Bluerasberry, what we (Theornamentalist and I) should have done is discuss this and post the formatting decisions at Index talk:The Yellow Wall Paper.djvu, as we have done now. We didn't talk about it and I was using full space padding and Theornamentalist was using no padding. Now we switched to {{}} which adds some micro-padding to the em dashes, this is really more a matter of presentation than anything as the author's intent is unknown and the publisher/printer probably used a particular convention for all of their works that isn't itself particularly relevant to us today.
  • As for dashes versus hypens, etc. see this quick reference User:Doug/html#Dashes and hyphens and the like; however, the em-dash and the en-dash are easily available from the various symbols below the save button in edit view.--Doug.(talk contribs) 20:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
    • BTW, didn't I tell the group that we have vicious fights about dashes and hyphens? That's our wikidrama.  ;-) --Doug.(talk contribs) 20:54, 5 May 2013 (UTC)


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Clockery Fairfeld (talk) 04:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Letter regarding indictment and departure of Devyani Khobragade to Judge Scheindlin (9 January 2014)Edit

Hi mate. See that you proofread the pages for this work ages ago, though it seems to have missed the transclusion to main namespace. Anyway, now   Done and will get it added to wikidata. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you and congratulations!Edit

Hi, just wanted to document my appreciation for your work proofreading The Golden Hamster Manual, and getting it listed under "new texts" on the front page. Always impressive to see somebody navigate their way through a complete transcription like this, and it's nice to finally have it in main space! Please feel free to ping me if you have further questions. I think you'll find most frequent Wikisource contributors are very happy to share their knowledge as well, it's a pretty friendly wiki community on the whole. Now, I'm off to learn about the domestication of hamsters... -Pete (talk) 00:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, happy to have my first book in Wikisource. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh, also, more useful stuff to play with -- there are some really useful gadgets and scripts you can install. I'd advise turning on Google OCR under gadgets in your preferences. (Hrishikes is a good person to ask if you have OCR questions) and you might look at my common.js and common.css files, and potentially copy them to your user space, for others. This stuff will add links in your lefthand navigation under the heading "TemplateScript." There are lots of links; the ones I use most are "clean up & lines" (which does a good job of removing line breaks, reuniting hyphenated words, and also fixes a few common OCR issues) and "Running Header." The Regex editor is really useful too for search & replace functions, especially if you're already familiar with regular expressions. (There's also something new in the standard toolbar for search & replace, but I haven't used it much.) I think Doug is the one who first introduced me to these scripts. -Pete (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

On hamster booksEdit

I noticed your comment on User:RaboKarbakian’s talk page about The Golden Hamster Manual, and was wondering if you would like to proofread any other hamster-related works (possibly from the Internet Archive). I notice some other, although more technical, works there, upon a basic examination. I would be happy to aid you in proofreading some of them. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC).

One trick you might want to know, if you take TE(æ)A,ea up on this idea (or in general), is the IA-Upload tool for importing texts from the Internet Archive. For instance, if you wanted to import this thesis from 1947 (note: copyright status unknown without further investigation!) you would take the identifier out of the URL ( endocrinesystemo00snyd ), and paste that into the form here. Magical things will happen -- the file will be uploaded directly from, and the (new) Commons page will be populated with imported metadata. You'll even get a handy link to create a Wikisource transcription index. -Pete (talk) 02:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
  • It appears to be in the public domain, as it was never published with a copyright notice (cf. here). The Stanford copyright renewals database returns no results, and the Boston University Web-site that holds the thesis lists it as having no known copyright. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2019 (UTC).
@TE(æ)A,ea., @Peteforsyth: I am interested on the longer term. I am swamped over with other projects probably through April. If you can patiently collaborate with a slow mover then yes I am interested in copyediting other hamster works. I almost certainly can start nothing new before beginning of May, but I am very excited about having an opportunity to do more. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:11, 13 March 2019 (UTC)