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{{Dotted TOC line}}Edit

Hi! I am having some problem in transclusion due to template overload. I am not able to transclude pp. 115-120 of Index:The Pālas of Bengal.djvu. Can you help? Hrishikes (talk) 02:59, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

The problem here is that there isn't, as far as I am aware, a really "nice" way to do do dot leaders in HTML+CSS. {{Dotted TOC line}} and friends use a hack that looks OK in most cases (though it can interfere with some things in the containing table). However, it is a very intensive way to do it in terms of the Wikitext expansion limits - every cell basically contains another mini-table. This means that you can plausibly run into the limits set on the Wikisource server. There are the following remedies that I know of:
  • Don't use dotted leaders at all and save all the pain - this is what I normally do. It's a shame not to have the dots, but at the end of the day, they're not essential.
  • Split the dotted table across multiple mainspace pages, so that no one page runs into the limit.
  • Find a way to implement the dotted templates without such insanely heavy markup so that it's not so likely to run into the expansion limits. I feel like tables-in-tables is not a good way to do it, but the templates are very complex and I don't really understand them.
    • This could be simplified greatly if we could add to the common.css file so we don't have to set CSS styles on every element individually but instead just add a class to the parent. However, that would reduce the flexibility a lot.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 12:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I have now done it in a hybrid way, but not completely eschewing the dots. (here.) Hrishikes (talk) 17:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)


Author? If not writing, wouldn't a collection be better in the Portal namespace? — billinghurst sDrewth 07:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that might make sense. Maybe just a section on Portal:History of China? Sadly, like nearly all Chinese things we have, it's a pain to see if there are any suitable mentions we can link, as there are many transliterations, and, due to the age of most works here, none of them are the modern one! "Chuan Hsü" is a common one. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 14:27, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:FI/csplit-c and related...Edit

I'd like a second opinion, as this was able to solve an issue I had with captions that had 'split' arrangments. Typically an attribution to the right or left and then the main caption centered below that. Forcing a paragraph break in the way this template does works, and I added a commented out documentation section, but wasn't going to formally uncomment it without someone else reviewing the approach. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:46, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

As I have commented on Template talk:FreedImg, I'm not sure why {{FI}} uses spans for the caption in the first place. It's a div template, so it's already going to break paragraphs, so why not just use a div for the caption too? Then you can just use normal block alignment templates within the caption. Making tonnes of special templates just as a workaround is all but guaranteed to go wrong. FI is already complex to use for a template that's supposed to make it simpler! Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 19:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, You saved me the need to make a request there.
I'm not entirely sure how to do a c(aption)-split inside FIS, but I am thinking that an approach not dissimilar to the approach suggested at Scriptorum would be approriate, but I'd have to check to see if the "pusedo-float" would need to be implemented on each caption span as well, (Note to self: the pusedo-float center should probably be a defined class somewhere). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:29, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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