Collaborative French Translation Needed
The Two Mules
Le Grand Meaulnes
Translation:French Nursery Rhymes
Hello, ResidentScholar, welcome to Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here.

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In case you were not aware, I have nominated you to become an admin. Please go to Wikisource:Administrators#ResidentScholar and either accept or reject. Cheers, John Vandenberg (chat) 09:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

No need to write a sermon; Hesperian just said "Thanks John; I accept". Lets get this show on the road!
But if you insist, I will wait with bated breath for a little while longer. John Vandenberg (chat) 09:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Email and user pageEdit

Hello ResidentScholar. Could you set an email address in your preferences, and either create a user page or redirect it to this page? Both are very useful for helping other users contact you. —{admin} Pathoschild 13:29:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pathoschild, I will work on getting an e-mail address tomorrow, and set up the redirect tonight. ResScholar 07:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, Pathoschild, I got a message saying my e-mail address was confirmed. ResScholar 07:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Post-1923 worksEdit

Greetings. I made an important addendum to my answer to your question here. Just wanted to make sure you caught it. All the best, —Quadell (talk / swapmeet) 13:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Quadell. I have to say, your explanation of copyright law is among the most lucid I've seen. Good job. ResScholar 19:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

WS IndexEdit

Whatever you do, don't look at Wikisource:Pirates ;) Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Sabine Baring-Gould 06:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


Hi, ResidentScholar,

You are now a sysop. Would it be possible for you to make a user page and indicate you are a WS admin? Thanks!—Zhaladshar (Talk) 16:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your seal of approval, Zhaladshar, and I've started the page like you asked. ResScholar 20:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Collaboration projectEdit

This weeks collaboration project is G. W. Bush. Please take the time this week to identify and/or transcribe one important work by, or involving, this very prominent person who is relevant to us all. John Vandenberg (chat) 02:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Gen. Jackson's Negro Speculations, and his Traffic in Human Flesh, Examined and Established by Positive ProofEdit

Feel free to help clean it up, I figure there's about 2.5 hours remaining in solid work on it. If we split the task, it's much easier - as it's not found elsewhere online (other than the raw file on IA) and doesn't even get mentioned anywhere at antique booksites and the like, I'd love to try and get it to Featured Status; but will definitely need help. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:John McCain and Author:Barack Obama 04:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


Works like the Odyssey are often taught as education, but are not works about education. Same with Laches, it's about two warriors, about courage...not about the role of institutional education. The other works on the page are all works about education - that's all. On the other hand, we have Wikisource:Ancient Greece and similar. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Romain Rolland. 15:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Treatise on Law and subpagesEdit

Gday ResidentScholar. Jude and I are cleaning up headerless pages, and I see that you have been active with Treatise on Law. There are a number of subpages for T on L on the headerless list, and there looks to be a level of activity on the pages. Might you be able to have a look and do something with the pages, or indicate what should be done to those pages and I will see if I can get to them. Thx.-- billinghurst (talk) 01:05, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:American state papersEdit

Can you explain more about Category:American state papers? I'm still not sure what it's for. —Markles 23:17, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

American state papers are the constitutional documents of the United States plus the major laws, executive orders and resolutions that determine what the United States, as represented by its government, stands for in relation to the rest of the world and in recognizing and securing the rights of its own citizens. A constitutional document would be like the constitution or the declaration of independence, a law regarding the rights of its citizens might be like the Voting Rights act and an executive order might be like the Emancipation Proclamation; and treaties made by the President and ratified by the Senate are laws declaring how the U.S. stands in relation to the rest of the world.
I also included documents and collections from the individual state governments and conventions that respond to federal acts and policies under the header "U.S. state documents of national interest".
Finally, I included commentary on those documents, like the way the Federalist Papers comments on the constitution or Contemporary Opinion of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions comments on those resolutions.
One document that may not belong there is Carter's presidential direction. But there are so few documents from that era, I put it in there as well.
This page is meant to mirror the Wikisource:United States page, which I discovered does a lot of the same things. But while that page may contain obscure laws that may help to explain American legal principles or the lawful operation of a certain sphere of national life (like business laws), American state papers only is meant to include laws that are historically significant as well. That's why there is separate category from the U.S. laws category
The reason I originated the topic was that certain laws and government acts are more than simply what they do--they also happen to be historical events. So they deserve a history category. But they're not really history books, they're primary sources. So I reckoned they ought to be separated from the history books, as historians report on history, but governments make history so to speak. So in short American state papers is meant to be a sort of archive of official acts as judged significant by historians and political philosophers.
I hope I made things more clear for you, and if you have any suggestions for the category I'd be happy to hear them.
ResScholar (talk) 01:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Is there an objective standard for inclusion?—Markles 10:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I couldn't find anything about this on Wikisource, but on Wikipedia I found: w:Categorization#What categories should be created, states, "Do not create categories based on incidental or subjective features" and "Categories appear without annotations, so be aware of the need for a neutral point of view when creating or filling categories. If the composition of a category is likely to be controversial, a list (which can be annotated) may be more appropriate." And w:Overcategorization#Subjective inclusion criterion states, "Adjectives which imply a subjective inclusion criterion should not be used in naming/defining a category. Examples include such subjective words as: famous, notable…"—Markles 10:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
The objective standard of inclusion would simply be the acts showing up in history or political philosophy books. Or at least the most renowned ones, or a preponderance of them.
You mentioned "Do not create categories based on incidental or subjective features". The feature "historical" (which is what is implied in the category) may be accidental as far as the legal content in itself goes, but it is essential relative to the author, in this case the U.S. government, representing its essential acts. And I don't think history or philosophy are entirely subjective opinions, but consists of genuine objective knowledge.
You seem to argue that calling certain governmental acts historical will likely be controversial among categorizers. I don't agree because those most likely to be controversial will be the actual significant acts, because partisans won't want to bother with what they think are trivial acts, so in turn the controversy will be about what the significance is, rather than whether they are significant.
You close by mentioning a rule that says subjective words such as "famous" or "notable" shouldn't be used in defining a category. But I disagree that that rule should be pushed so far as to apply to history categories. Next to finding out what happened, discerning between the accidental and essential seems to me the primary role of the historian. That is why the large Wikipedia category w:Category:Political history of the United States contains lists of notable political events in a category defined by their notability. I think the problem that that guideline addresses applies to present-day subjects, where people have living emotions or financial interests, etc. they want to cultivate by adding a superlative, rather than to the dry analysis and conclusions of historians. ResScholar (talk) 05:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Nomenclature for a prior workEdit

Gday Res. Someone has just created The Critique of Judgement/Part 1/Section 1/Book 1/Moment 2 and when looking at it during patrol, I saw that you have been involved with other components. Rather me try and work out what happened where and when, I was wondering whether I can ask you to wrack the brain and look to a solution. Thx -- billinghurst (talk) 05:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Solely consistent naming of the parts. Your fingerprints were there with commentary about naming, and discussions about it. So, rather than me dig, I thought that I could drop (and run  )-- billinghurst (talk) 04:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Your noteEdit

I almost missed your note. Ms. Warren was probably the most influential woman of the American Revolution. It's an honor to bring her work here (with the help of others). Thanks for noticing. Hats off to you too! - Josette (talk) 03:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

re: Baldwin TextEdit

  1. Thank you very much for the helpful notice.
  2. Please note that the text document itself had been vandalized after I had added it to {{New texts}}
  3. No, I did not select it carelessly, but I will be more careful in the future, thank you.
  4. I believe it has been over three months since there was a text related to Scientology at {{New texts}}.

Cirt (talk) 10:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift actionEdit

Thank you very much for your attention to the rapid fire acts of vandalism to my talk page and to the page I was working on. I guess that the reason that the John Bunyan's Dream Story was added as quickly as it was to the "new text" section of the main page was that I perhaps added it prematurely to the James Baldwin page. It isn't completed, so perhaps one should wait for it to be completed before it is added to the "new text" section or to the James Baldwin page. All in all, thank you for your prompt attention and courtesy.--Drboisclair (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


How about setting a good example as an admin to would-be vandals by contributing works that are actually...elevating?

The limerick is furtive and mean.
You must keep her in close quarantine.
Or she sneaks to the slums,
And promptly becomes,
Disorderly, drunk and obscene.

ResScholar (talk) 10:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Adding dirty limericks is my specialty...but very nice, I like that one. Seriously, I've added the works of Osama bin Laden, made PD translations of the Marquis de Sade and added dirty limericks (among hundreds of others); I don't think we should only concern ourselves with puritanical "good" things; when an index like Wikisource:Erotic poetry is just begging to be filled. So to speak. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:Galileo Galilei. 11:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

WS:AN ... Ah!Edit

I was thinking that it was reports from two different sources, with yours being the second and a follow-up. Apologies about that, my brain was obviously being one dimensional. billinghurst (talk) 12:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes I gathered that, the confusion seemed natural to me along the lines you described. There is no need to apologize, but it was kind of you to offer one. ResScholar (talk) 16:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Featured TextEdit

No, sorry, I didn't see any errors. What are you referring to? --Spangineerwp (háblame) 03:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I found what you're referring to. This work was validated and supported by several users at WS:FTC, but that error apparently slipped through. --Spangineerwp (háblame) 03:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Public DomainEdit

Hi, the Chapter 49 of the book Autobiography of a Yogi" is in public domain in the USA. Since 2005 it is part of the book Autobiography of a Yogi: The Original 1946 Edition Plus Bonus Material printed and sold by Crystal Clarity. You can check at [[1]]. The synopsis says: "(...) This updated edition contains bonus materials, including a last chapter that Yogananda himself wrote in 1951, five years after the publication of the first edition. It is the only version of this chapter available without posthumous changes." Best regards, --Tat Sat (talk) 22:00, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


Just found Invitation to the Pain of Learning - nice work. Sherurcij Collaboration of the Week: Author:David Livingstone. 06:19, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

So you finally admit I added something you like to Wikisource:Education! That must have taken a lot of pride-swallowing on your part. Just kidding. Glad you like it. ResScholar (talk) 06:27, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

An Autobiography or The Story of my Experiments with TruthEdit

Hello, I noticed that you deleted some pages of this book. Are you aware than BD2412, who is a lawyer, has added his opinion? I think it brings a new light. Finally if there is a consensus to delete the text, it would be better to delete all pages, not only a few. Reagrds, Yann (talk) 12:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yann, I'm glad you mentioned BD2412's opinion—I missed seeing it when I took a final look at the section before starting to delete. However the evidence he presents further suggests to me that deletion is the appropriate action for this work. I found the consequences of that action more regretable as I started to delete it last night when I found the numerous wikilinks that had been added. But as I pointed out, the Navajivan Trust had found a U.S. publishing partner, and today, as BD2412 found, interested readers can preview substantial portions of the work over the internet, attracting buyers to pay Gandhi's trust the royalties U.S. copyright law currently affords it.
As for not deleting it wholesale, I started to last night, but found the work too cumbersome to completely finish deleting in one night. I think I will give BD2412 a few days in case he wishes to respond and then complete the deletion if he doesn't. ResScholar (talk) 05:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, fine. I wish this case to be settled, one way or another. Yann (talk) 09:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Author's names and redirectEdit

Hi ResScholar, you undertook -> Author:Glenn Lee Beck moved to Author:Glenn Beck over redirect (better known name of this commentator). It would seem that for the past while that we have been doing this the other, fully expanding names where possible, and doing redirects where there is a shortened version. While I would see that we are less likely to have multiple authors of that name, it makes things harder in the longer term with regards to disambiguation if there is ever the need. I was wondering whether you would consider reversing your decision. Or is there something that I am not understanding? Thx. -- billinghurst (talk) 10:50, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

What about Author:Ronald Reagan? ResScholar (talk) 03:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Please don't pick the pages that may be the exception, or have a level that they may be names specific in history. Everywhere we look there are small historical exceptions, and given our chance we wouldn't do them again. BTW Ronald Reagan was a well-known person worldwide, Mr. Beck is not so.
I was trying to address with regard to a newly created author page, and I am not here to pick fights, accuse wrongdoing or anything like that. I am here with a request that you reconsider the move, and with the view of how we should be doing things. billinghurst (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I was being facetiously recalcitrant because I had never noticed this supposed rule before and I wanted to express my dubiousness. This three name labeling strikes me as bureaucratic and is not needed to accomodate Wikipedia's disambiguation requirements, for example. The principle I myself was employing was "accepting what Wikipedia or Wikiquote had already decided, which generally reflects common usage."
When I started working on Wikisource I had the same enthusiasm to disambiguate. In 2004 I contributed Oedipus the King and wanted to call it Oedipus the King (Plumptre) because I realized there must be many translations. Pathoschild or Zhahaldazar or some other of the old-timers reeled me back off of that limb, saying, we will rename it if Wikisource grows to include those other translations. You're going to have to decide for yourself if you want the center of attention of the title or the authorname to be the disambiguation or the well-known name.
As for changing it back, in case you hadn't noticed, Cirt has drawn strength from your first request and already adopted on behalf of Wikisource your principles, and changed it back himself. Since everything Cirt has added to Author:Glenn Lee Beck is about Glenn Beck (all of Beck's work being under copyright), I think Cirt has other motives than collecting works by this author. I think this is an attempt to make a subject page for a specific individual, and its maybe not enough for him to do that, maybe he wants to marginalize him as well through the bibliographical organization employed, demoting him to "one Glenn Beck among many," rather than "the famous Glenn Beck"; in this case the "medium [of reference]" being the "message".
I don't care enough about the issue to risk my reputation for being tolerant of other's organizational usages to begin an edit dispute on the subject. But thank you for bringing up the subject in a principled way, so I could make a beginning of articulating my opposing principles to Cirt's practices in case these kinds of usages become part of a larger pattern of abuse. ResScholar (talk) 05:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Comment: If you could suggest any other free-use documents relating to Author:Glenn Lee Beck, either by the individual himself or others, I would be happy to add them to this project. So far, I have not come across any writings by this individual himself, that are under an appropriate license for inclusion on this project. Cirt (talk) 06:17, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Author:Glenn Lee BeckEdit

Per convention, we use full names with middle names, when known, on this project. Cirt (talk) 11:04, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice tidy upEdit

Thanks for the stuff at Requested texts, it looks a whole lot better. I had looked at it previously, shuddered and moved away with eyes averted. :-) billinghurst sDrewth 22:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing. Some of those works are so obscure I wonder if we'll ever get around to doing them. ResScholar (talk) 10:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

thx for responding to zap request. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 17:42, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


A terrific work (excuse peeking with pop-ups on RC); I recommended this book to someone just the other day, I never thought to check if we had it. I'm uploading a scan, if only to allow changes to be easily verifiable. Regards, Cygnis insignis (talk) 07:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


So what exactly is Wikisource?

Page:Newton's Principia (1846).djvu/90Edit

What exactly are you trying to do with this page? Where is the paragraph getting messed up (page or main namespace)? It'd be nice if we could solve this with a call to another page rather than putting text on the wrong page. —Spangineerwp (háblame) 12:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes... interesting. Let me give a shot. —Spangineerwp (háblame) 12:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. ResScholar (talk) 12:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
It isn't pretty, but defining sections and calling them individually makes it display properly in both namespaces. I'm hesitant to do this throughout the work until we confirm there's no better way to do it. —Spangineerwp (háblame) 12:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
It's over my head; I'm just now learning about this. I'm impressed you were able to get it to work at all. I'll lay low and not edit these picture problems till you guys decide the best fix. Thank you again. ResScholar (talk) 12:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Just a lucky guess on my part; the code I used was copied from someone who figured out before I did how to handle multi-page references, and it happens to solve this problem as well. I've started discussion of this at WS:S##Weird_line_break_in_paragraphs_with_images. —Spangineerwp (háblame) 12:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

You just asked me a question about my post. Yes i posted Poetry Potter few minutes a go and I am trying to edit it. It was published under the list of poetry groups and movements, here is the link to the main page:, please let me know what you think afterward.

If you read carefully, you will realize that Poetry Potter is no Advertisement. I will never post an advert on this platform because I know what the implication is. I will like to hear from you.

Well, I can see that you have edited my post (Poetry Potter) to suit Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Thanks for the good job.


I recused [2]. I posted as you requested, at Wikisource:Possible_copyright_violations#Author:_Prem_Rawat. Thank you for being on top of this situation. Yours, -- Cirt (talk) 22:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Want a better Commons and local name?Edit

Do you want me to rename Index:Mythofguiltynati00nockrich.djvu‎‎ to something nicer? Happy to do so, and can do it in about 15 minutes time. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Mate, your choice, I usually go from the title page, as they link to the other from Commons. I will do as you ask, it was an offer which is yours to accept, accept and direct, or reject.  billinghurst sDrewth 05:38, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Sure you can move here, though as you need to align with the filename at Commons (to use <pagelist> nicely), it needs to be done there too. I was offering to do both, however, if Commons alone is your wish, that is okay. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
  Done Index:The Myth of a Guilty Nation.djvu. One of the reasons that I pursued Commons adminship was so that we could more easily do descriptive naming of files here and at Commons. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Two thoughts, either that something is gawped with your javascript bitsy whatsy, or your not seeing your footer properly, and this bit toggles header/footer. I had seen somethin in an earlier version of ProofreadPage, however, Thomas quickly amended those bits and I don't see the broswer get confused anymore. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
We can still use {{smaller}} where the <div> doesn't wrap across pages, I just use the div wrapper so I can <noinclude> and therefore not get ugly formatting. Of course, what you are doing is fully correct. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Billinghurst, for the tip, and your generosity in donating your proofreading skills! ResScholar (talk) 08:14, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Unfair blockEdit

Dear ResidentScholar – I have become fairly active on the Wikisource:Possible copyright violations ‎ discussion page in recent times. You are probably familiar with some of the issues I have raised there (including what is meant by an “Edict of Government”). On 2 May 2010 I made a number of edits. Most of these edits related to me “tagging, hiding and listing for discussion” works that were labeled as “Edicts of Government” (e.g. South African political speeches, a national anthem and other works). The same day Administrator Billinghurst blocked me. I cannot say precisely why – as he did not give precise reasons – but the general heading he gave was that “Okay, that is too rampant” (i.e. I was being too active in ““tagging, hiding and listing for discussion”).

I have disagreed with Billinghurst on a number of copyright points of late – basically, I would like the same standard to be applied to all works. The same high standard that is – even if that means that a lot of works need to be listed for discussion etc - but his approach is different. I think Billinghurst views me as ‘trouble’. In contrast, I think I have made a worthwhile contribution, prompting interesting discussions, greater clarity and the removal of some works. Indeed, the works I “tagged, hid and listed for discussion” on 2 May 2010 have led to interesting copyright discussions on the copyright violations discussion page. I would like Billinghurst to apologise for blocking me and somehow “expunge” my record.

I would appreciate any contribution you would like to make on my talk page where my block is being discussed. I am sending this message to all persons who have participated on the same copyright violation discussions as me. I do not know how else to generate further participation in the discussion concerning my block save direct messages – as I cannot list this matter (a personal one) on the copyright violations page. The discussion is at User talk:Formosa. Given my treatment, I admit to feeling a bit disheartened about my continuing involvement in the copyright violations project. Thanks. Formosa (talk) 13:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

A Working Library on IslamEdit

Would you mind having a look at A Working Library on Islam and working out what we should do with it. Unsourced, unlicensed, unauthored. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


Awarded in recognition of a good captcha. Thanks! — billinghurst sDrewth 09:32, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Resolved Talk:Res Gestae (Bushnell)?Edit

The tag is still there. I thought that we had this one put to bed. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

User nameEdit

Hi ResScholar: I saw your question on WS:ADMIN, and the simple answer is that I'm an engineer by profession and I speak Spanish... and six and a half years ago, when I started on Wikipedia, it seemed like a good nickname. =) —Spangineer (háblame) 15:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I sort of deduced it was something like that. But what I was referring to was that someone (apparently Billinghurst) spelled your name with three 'e's (Spangineeer) in the header of your section title at WS:ADMIN. I could have fixed it myself, but I wanted to have a little fun with those who voted (or started the header) but didn't notice the typo. Good talking to you again, I was ill lately and haven't been to contribute. ResScholar (talk) 19:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Yep, though with the appropriate contributions, maybe I should have spelt it Spanginerrr, and gone for the three Rs which would seem thematically appropriate.  Billinghurst (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

The Romance of Isabel, Lady BurtonEdit

The Romance of Isabel, Lady Burton/Book 1/Chapter 10, Page 193-195 seem to have trouble with the numbering/paragraphs, any chance you could help? TheSkullOfRFBurton (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Are you able to understand simple cases of someone else's text coding and apply it to your own work? If so you can either copy an example I found you might be able to follow, or use the example to ask a specific question on the Scriptorium if there is a template on Wikisource you can use to span the indented paragraphs over two pages.
That's fine if you want to work on the spanning, but you should know, especially in simple cases like these, the page text doesn't have to exactly match what appears on the image, and you could easily get away with keeping the whole text in each numbered item together on either the beginning page or the ending page. ResScholar (talk) 22:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Mighbt as well try the example, have it handy? TheSkullOfRFBurton (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Template:hws and Template:hwe are two templates that show two different parts of a hyphenated word on the page: namespace, but the word without a hyphen in the main namespace. It contains the coding that detects where the text is, and it works like hws|respons|responsible and hwe|ible|responsible. You could adapt this to put the whole first part of the paragraph as the first parameter, and the whole paragraph as the second parameter, and similarly with the last part. There may be a more elegant way to do this with noincludes or something, but I don't know it and my browser doesn't support the footers and headers it would probably take even if I learned. Good luck. ResScholar (talk) 23:00, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

cambridge historyEdit

It would be wonderful if you could switch it to djvu. Could you possibly then make sure the transclusion goes through? - Tannertsf 10:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

My talk pageEdit

Please reply there. You can delete this. -- Thekohser (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Presidendial calendars — new WS:NARA project?Edit

ResidentScholar, I want to thank you for signing up to help with WS:NARA. I recently talked with a staff member here in the Office of Presidential Libraries, and project he was interested in doing was the daily calendars of the presidents. Right now, these are scattered across the websites of each of the presidential libraries, in different formats and only sometimes with a text transcription or text layer on the PDF. I think these would be excellent additions to Wikisource. One of the best organized of these is the Nixon calendar (links to the PDFs here). I have uploaded the first month at File:Presidential Daily Diary, compiled 01-1969.pdf, and all the others can use that exact same format, just changing the title to represent the month. Does this sound like a project you would be interested in working on? Dominic (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Treatise on Human Acts (part 1)Edit

Good morning! Just curious as to what source you are using for comparison/transcription purposes for the above text. The IA edition mentioned on the Discussion page does not compare with the Mainspace text as rendered. Thanks, Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

The proofread Project Gutenberg version. There was a protracted discussion of this between Cygnis Insignis and myself on his Discussion page. This project predates the Internet Archive's text archives by several years, and I think I can reasonably expect some grandfathering. ResScholar (talk) 09:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
OK! I read through the discussion between you and Cygnis Insignis, and tried best I could to comprehend it as I read. I can see why you probably prefer not to re-hash the question all over again with me! All I can say—as a layman (but one who cares enough to want to know that the copy I am reading is reliable)—is that it was unclear to me which source(s) your version derived from (given the choices linked to on the Discussion page for the project)—even still... but I am dense :) You might place a link to the discussion between you and Cygnis on the Talk page as well for other Users to follow(?)... Perhaps clearly state to the reader (in the notes section of the header, perhaps) a brief summary of your intent/technique for the project as you outlined on Cygnis' Talk page with direct links to any scans you may have used(?)... Thanks for pointing me to the conversation! Sincerely, Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


Quick question: Are 'curlyquotes' different from the quotation mark button on my keyboard? Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

You've probably noticed that that key and the apostrophe key don't match the quotation marks you see in books and such. You can type them by selecting “Ligatures and symbols” in the selection box at the bottom of your editing page that normally just says “Select”. ResScholar (talk) 14:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. So what happens with all the keyboard-generated quotation marks on WS pages? Will a bot eventually come along and fix them all? Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I have no idea. I'm in no hurry to champion a task that difficult. Once someone offered in the Scriptorium to fix all the double en-dashes with em-dashes. There were so many exceptions that people mentioned to be dealt with that they changed their mind and gave up. ResScholar (talk) 14:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Euripides and AristophanesEdit

I apologize for potentially putting up copyright violating material. I assumed that, because they were translated before 1923, they were public domain; I will look for possible replacements without the copyright issues, and I'll notify you here once I have them up.

I hope there's not a similar problem with The Authoress of the Odyssey; the text is from 1897 and the edition from 1922. SVeach94 (talk) 18:20, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, and no, the license template you picked for the work matches the situation described at Sacred Texts so there's no problem. ResScholar (talk) 18:37, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The KnightsEdit

After a brief search, I found this recent translation of it. Obviously this has a copyright; however, the author gives explicit permission for anyone to use it provided he is acknowledged as the author. Is this acceptable, or should I look for a public domain version? SVeach94 (talk) 18:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but no, the author has restricted the use of his work from commercial use. Works at Wikisource must be free to be used even commercially. And the copyright discussion about this work I linked to does contain a link to a public domain version at Internet Archive by the same anonymous translator, if you are not looking to "start from scratch". ResScholar (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I managed to find a copy of The Eleven Comedies that you mentioned on the discussion page. Since it's on Gutenberg, I assume it's public domain, right? SVeach94 (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes that one looks fine. ResScholar (talk) 19:32, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I've found suitable alternatives to all of the objectionable plays, including Euripides; you can delete them whenever you feel like it. SVeach94 (talk) 04:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Euripides Vol 2Edit

Hi, I'm working through Special:LonelyPages and see that there's 45 pages in the Page ns for the above work that you replaced the Index for on 1 January. e.g. Page:The Plays of Euripides Vol. 2- Edward P. Coleridge (1907).djvu/101. Do we still need these? Is there stuff on them that can be copied/moved across to the replacement version? Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm a "manual worker", so no magic bots. I wish MassDelete would work for this sort of thing. I'm happy to do the deletions, I just wanted to make sure that you didn't need the contents before they disappeared. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. We other folks at Wikisource are lucky to have such a fast worker as you on the team. ResScholar (talk) 03:19, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Obits and yearsEdit

The advantage of the obits being categorised in YYYY works was that they were eminently findable and able to be manipulated through <DPL>, through the years, and now they aren't

category = Obituaries
category = 1922 works

No pages meet these criteria.

category = Obituaries
category = 1923 works

No pages meet these criteria. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)


I have checked the copyrights on the works you plan to nominate for deletion please explain your reasoning Harryjamespotter1980 (talk)

I again looked at the copyrights law you talking about. It states the beyond any work published before 1923, in 1996 they had to change their copyright status on foreign works such as ones published in the U.K. as we stated all of these works are. The law states that if the works were first published in a foreign country (as these were) then to determine U.S copyright on the material you have to look to that country's specific copyright laws. The U.K. copyright expires 50 years after the author's death.Meaning all of these works are out of copyright as recent as 1990. Now for U.S. copyright from 1996 says that if the works was out of copyright or in the public domain in their respect country before Jan. 1, 1996 then the work was in the public domain, making all of these works public domainHarryjamespotter1980 (talk) 08:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I looked at your links I understand the copyright extension would make all of these works out of copyright as late as 2009 in the U.K. would that not make them out of copyright in the U.S., but I do not understand what part of the This resource page you are referring.Harryjamespotter1980 (talk)

Wikisource uses a server in the state of Florida in the U.S. There aren't servers spread across the world, as far as I know.
Search for all or a good part of this phrase for the line of the document that states the applicable copyright term is 95 years: "Solely published abroad, without compliance with US formalities or republication in the US, and not in the public domain in its home country as of 1 January 1996". ResScholar (talk) 09:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

In response to first paragraph I didn't mean that wiki has servers all around the world I meant because the underlying U.S. copyright is based on the copyright of the original country which expired in 2009 wouldn't it also be expired here in the U.S.

In response to the second paragraph I searched that link, that law applies only to U.S. foreign nationalists or U.S. citizens living abroad. Which does not apply for these works.

The restored U.S. copyrights (called URAA) are based in part on the copyright status of the work in the nation where it comes from, but once the copyright status is established beginning in 1996, the two copyright terms in the two countries are independent of each other, according to the chart.
To me foreign nationals would mean "members of foreign nations living outside the U.S. instead of inside the U.S. as resident aliens". And so I think "foreign nationals or U.S. citizens living abroad" simply means "anyone not living in the United States" when they first published their work. ResScholar (talk) 10:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but would the copyright status change if the works was to go out of copyright in its original country I don't see were on that chart I talks about the copyright status be completely independent of each other.

I don't think it matters if it goes out of copyright. I'm not saying the U.S. copyright status is completely independent of the U.K. one, but independent in the sense I mentioned (that is, it is independent once the Jan 1, 1996 status is determined). Because otherwise the chart entry of the resource from Cornell would have said the copyright expires either in 95 years after origination or 70 years after the lifetime of the writer. ResScholar (talk) 19:22, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Are there non copyright versions of all these works that you want to delete? Harryjamespotter1980 (talk)


Just saw one of your recent edits, and it brought something to mind... About 24 or so years ago, I had a math professor who frequently used the term "non negative." I always thought he merely meant "positive", and wondered why he would go through the trouble of saying "non negative"... But I have recently suspected that it means something altogether different, and was wondering if you had a clue. Thanks, AKA Londonjackbooks 00:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The set of non-negative numbers simply includes zero along with all the positive numbers. ResScholar (talk) 01:47, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
That's it.(?) Well I am disappointed—or stupid—take your pick! :) Thanks, and have a good one! AKA Londonjackbooks 11:24, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Top 100 authors listEdit

I am curious where you got the information for your List of author page hits on Scriptorium. Was it from (Although that seems to be stuck at December 2010.) Other than personal curiosity, I have converted your list into a portal (Portal:Top 100 authors), as it is close to being archived, and I should probably keep it updated. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 21:16, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's where I got it. They have files containing the hits and byte transfers of every page of every Wikimedia project every hour. A day's summary is not something you can look up. You have to snip out those beginning with "en.s", convert them to Excel and then merge with the previous hours' data (if any) up to 24 (and then combine duplicate author pages like "Herbert George Wells" and "H. G. Wells". Thanks for making a place for it.
Another use I had considered for the compiled data was to look up the use of the various large projects here (Presidential proclamations, Encyclopedia Britannica, Catholic Encyclopedia)—to see the most popular entries in order to feature them somehow in the portals. But since a day's results can't distinguish between a day's interest of one person versus a sustained interest of many people, we would need more data summaries. ResScholar (talk) 22:53, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Wow you had pictures and everything! Looks nice! I hope you don't mind, I need to correct it: The year I gave was not a mistake. It really was January 1, 2011. ResScholar (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
That is a lot of data! I'm glad you like the portal. Corrections are fine, you created the original table after all. If I manage to wade through the data (assuming I manage to download it) I will have a go at 2012-01-01. I expect this might take some time, however. Thanks, AdamBMorgan (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


Did you still want to do a mock up for Wikisource:Possible_copyright_violations#Template:PD-1996? JeepdaySock (talk) 15:14, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes!—that it, I just did it! ResScholar (talk) 19:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks :) JeepdaySock (talk) 10:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Aristotle follow-upEdit

Hey there... hope this message finds you and your's well.

I just wanted to take the time to follow-up on some of this "FrankAnnotation" thing to see if we can avoid some the nonsense that is sure to come.

First off - "We" just can't have a collection where the source file for volume one is from the 1889 edition and volume 2 is from the 1853 edition. I fully understand the nuance you'd probably make that the "text" is most likely 100% identical between the two editions & that the translator/editor died in 1873 and so on...... but why even introduce this non-starter for most-folks around here policy-wise if we don't have to?

I took it upon myself to correct this and I'm already in the process of deriving a 1853 replacement for volume one as I type this (a "new" DjVu should be done in a couple of hours). The probable point of contention over mismatched editions in the source files themselves will be rendered moot in short order.

Next: the proofreading & status in the Page namespace. First, I totally get the problem with this work - sidenotes (a long-time pain the ass for me as well even without this work coming up). What is worse, it has inline sidenotes rather than the common margin sidenotes. Duplicating that would make any regular editor nuts so I totally get it - I would have passed on trying that if it was only up to me and me alone, but we both know the omission of that content would be raised eventually by someone sooner or later.

The problem, the way I see it, is not so much that you left some content out (among the other Owen additions to the "literal" translation he made) at this point in time on the way to validation, but that you statused them as Proofread in spite of the unavoidable fact content in the scans is missing in the transcription. If everything was still Red (i.e. still needed further processing), one could argue that a "pre-mature" transclusion to the mainspace is justified because it is needed to facilitate the desired subsitution required to create the (un)annotated version under the yet-to-be completed full version as published. The "pre-mature" transclusion would then serve as an acceptable place-holder until the nuances on how to add the missing portions are worked out and you'd still have a full HTML (un)annotated sub-version exist at the same time (albeit done through substitution for the same time being as the pre-mature one). I'll stop myself here just to make sure you follow what I've laid out before moving on to what to do about it. -- George Orwell III (talk) 11:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to address—and even work on—the future security of what I consider to be an important work. I don't mean to get metaphysical, but I seem to have misunderstood the purpose of the scans. I thought they were there to allow the reader of the hypertext to quickly consult the printed text if they needed to verify for whatever reason that it matches what the hypertext says.
I've always been under the impression that the scans are there for side-by-side proofreading of the content a page at a time and that is why the Page: namespace primarily exists. The mainspace article is for hosting a range of Pages: once validated by transclusion. The embedded page no. links back to the Page: namespace are there for verification of the transcribed text next to the original if need be. -- George Orwell III (talk)
Now you are telling me that complex machinations of various levels of markup language to move or hide levels of text might be added and intertwined with the text opposing the scans, but even being guided by the simplest of rules—"only look at the words with the biggest font", nothing may be subtracted from the text opposing the scans, even to produce a simpler edition for didactically justifiable reasons (it may be desirable to have a text unburdened by either distracting notes or commentary of later ages), regarded as parallel to the full edition, and is perhaps instrumental in producing that full edition by ensuring the foundational text layer is proofread before proceeding to add the three or four different kinds of notes. That is, in the future, a producer of the full edition could reasonably say: "Proofreading the text and adding the three or four levels of hidable notes will be too complex or too tedious to do simultaneously. Where can I get a basic text to start with that I don't actually have to read through that matches this edition, and to where I can assign responsibility if it doesn't?" And they would be able to go to the unannotated edition marked as proofread and make a duplicate of it.
What you propose makes complete sense to me in this particular case where (un)annotation is a desired end product but it runs contrary to current accepted practices, if not outright policy. Everybody else is striving to completely transcribe, proofread and validate the scanned content as near & truthfully as originally published - warts and all. Folks will have a problem with an interim Proofread status being assigned to pages where only a portion of the content is being transcribed is all I'm guessing will happen here.
I honestly doubt someone will ever produce the full version on Wikisource—the copyrights on the Oxford version are set to expire in the U.S. in about ten years (but maybe some teacher will find Owen's commentary inspiring)—but why not keep the unannotated version as proofread in case someone does try to make a full hidable edition and, then, ask them to leave it behind as a kind of artifact of the complex production process that would be required? That would justify its presence on two grounds. ResScholar (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
At this point I'm not sure what to do - really depends on if folks make a stink about it and I'm guessing sooner or later somebody will as the talk pages already indicate. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:07, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Shakespeare Fan & The Bible in MetreEdit

Hi, these two are not the same person despite the similar validating pattern. Bible is from Eastern Europe and SFan is English.

I'm working backwards through Bible's validations and marking as patrolled any pages that are correct and fixing the others. For SFan's work on Dr Dolittle, it's my original proofread so I'll download the book to my eReader and do a follow-up proofread on that. I find it helps for checking odd line-breaks and the like. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I'm pretty sure that Widux is fine, particularly on the Stratemeyers. He's picked up some of my common errors that Maury and Billinghurst pick up, so I'm happy there. The other two are a different matter. We'll see what they say when they come back on line in a few hours. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the update. I am writing Billinghurst right now. You can read it on his talk page.ResScholar (talk) 06:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


If you are going to pick up typographical errors, here's a few formatting concerns in some recent contributions of yours.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:12, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Many of these are stylistic choices—your errors were not a modification of style. The smaller year could be an improvement, but headers are mainly a courtesy to the validator, and their value is limited. The OCR cleanup? I think you'll notice something absent on that page of mine that is present in all your errors—a marking that it's been validated. ResScholar (talk) 17:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Blocking administriviaEdit

Hi ResidentScholar,

I've just been speaking to ShakespeareFan00 (talkcontribs) on IRC - he'd like to discuss the block, but is having trouble getting to his user talk page. The Sfan00 IMG (talkcontribs) account is blocked with user talk access, but its user talk page redirects to user talk:ShakespeareFan00; that account, meanwhile, is apparently blocked without talkpage access. Would you be able to reblock the latter so that he can discuss using it?

Thanks, Andrew Gray (talk) 20:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I didn't see where his access was limited, but based on his claim, I reblocked him (ShakespeareFan00 account) without that item checked. ResScholar (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll leave it up to him now! Andrew Gray (talk) 20:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

The block on User:The Bible in MetreEdit

Hi, this user tells me that his computer problems have been resolved (both on his talk page and via an email to me). I suggest we lift his block with the proviso that he doesn't validate anything until we are sure that no further damage is being caused. He has suggested that he should help sort out the mess in Vanity Fair. I think it best if we decline that offer as well. I'll take up Billinghurst on his offer to get into the API and rollback all the pages in that Index that Bible fingered during the critical 8 hours. Are you OK with this approach for this user? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:19, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Beeswaxcandle, look at these two diffs, and tell me what you see.
February 24th
February 25th
ResScholar (talk) 05:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
I see two possibilities. 1) He's not very good at lying; or 2) He's telling the truth about his computer and some sort of trojan. I do suspect (based on his unblock request) that he was attempting some sort of semi-automated validation that got away on him, hence my proviso above. It will be some time before he earns the autopatrolled flag. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
If it was a trojan, then how was the trojan contagious to two other independent users? I think he coordinated to disrupt Wikisource as a cohort of SFan while engaging in vandalism. And vandal or not, if he lied, he interfered with an investigation of some very suspicious and entangled conduct (e.g. insisting he be taken on "good faith" after being blatantly untruthful, volunteering the opinion he's glad he is "no extra trouble"). ResScholar (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
That's a novel view. You will need some strong evidence of this level of co-ordination/socking before I'll believe that these three editors were in cahoots to disrupt the project and then started falling over each other to interfere with an "investigation". Please either provide your evidence on WS:AN or lift your blocks. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Beeswax, this was corroborated by Billinghurst and me independently. Do we really want to set up a monument to these vandals? ResScholar (talk) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
The results of Billinghurst's investigation are at WS:AN#Log. In summary, there is no evidence of bots and they are "two disparate users". That's it. So, if you have evidence of co-ordination and interference, then please provide it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 09:34, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
That's a pretty tall request. We don't need to do an instant replay of their attacks on Wikisource. That would be like helping them carry out their actions a second time. ResScholar (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
So, you have no evidence of collusion. You have no evidence of entangled conduct. You have no evidence of interference in an investigation. We simply have three independent people validating three separate works over a similar time period. One of them sped through Vanity Fair because his flatmate (or someone associated with him) put something called "the Beast" on his computer (see his talk page for evidence of this). The second has admitted that he went through The Story of Doctor Dolittle too fast and in his eagerness to fix things went too far. The third was an innocent bystander who happened to be validating Stratemeyer Syndicate books over the same time period.

The blocks on the first two are currently punitive and need to be either lifted or shortened back to their original length. In both cases the editors will be restricted from validating for a period of time to be determined and their proofreading work will be monitored until that time. The block on the third editor is pointless given he has left the project.

RL is now calling me and I will return in ca. 3 hours. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:40, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know why instead of being a supporting administrator, you've become an advocate for these vandals. I stand by my decisions in dealing with these attackers to prevent further damage to Wikisource. ResScholar (talk) 20:03, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
So far I have supported you by not raising the blocks myself and trying to discuss the issue with you. I am now challenging your decisions because I cannot see any vandalism (intentional damage) to Wikisource. I cannot see any evidence of an attack on Wikisource co-ordinated or otherwise and as a regular RC patroller I would see such. I frequently impose blocks for vandalism and know what it looks like. I ask again for your evidence to the contrary. In its absence I will raise the blocks and impose restrictions with warnings of future blocks. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:55, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
As if I have any personal interest whatsoever in spending energy blocking these users. Whereas you assumed the role of assisting the primary blocking editor, you tried to solicit evidence from the primary blocking editor as a supporting editor, and then when you learned a solid decision was formed to block, you switched roles to defense attorney! How do we know this wasn't your intention all along? To back the vandals up if someone caught on to their odd stories?
I stand by my decision, but I'm not rigid as to the exact length of the block, whereas you are preoccupied with overturning my block and its time length altogether!
To quote policy: "If you disagree with a block, discuss the matter with the blocking admin and others, and try to reach a consensus, rather than unblocking. Bear in mind that the blocking admin is likely to know more about the background to the situation than you do." Why don't I get the benefit of the doubt for being the one that caught the behavior? Which even you admit had elements of being wrong?
I had a conversation with Billinghurst, and he thought a summary of evidence would be appropriate (it's already been "presented" in the content of various pages of this wiki) in working with others, but at this point I would probably do it even by your request, just out of exasperation from what I just described. I will present it on the administrative noticeboard.
And do you get to decide whether the evidence is convincing or do others get to have their say? Or will I just get another ultimatum? ResScholar (talk) 12:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:48, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
Interesting. Two wiki-lawyers fighting sparring. I suppose Beeswaxcandle's doing the right thing this time by challenging some questionable ban decisions. It's a shame that the actions of admins are so difficult to scrutinize without the intervention of another. Admin are really just special volunteers with too much time in their hands who made the right friends and climbed the social ladders but yet are often accompanied with an illusion that they are necessarily qualified to make sound managerial and judicial decisions. How many of them are actually teens or suffering college students, I wonder. 07:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Which is an incorrect statement. Admins actions are fully able to be scrutinised through their contributions and the log files for the site. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:06, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
Mr. billinghurst, I am sure you aren't born yesterday. Yes, admin actions in wiki's are theoretically scrutinizable by anyone, but I am sure that's going to get anywhere without the support of another admin with similar social standing. Fortunately for us living in developed nations of the 'real world', we don't often have administrative/judicial entities overseeing themselves because doing so would really do wonders in keeping the said entities in check. :) 05:06, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Annotations and derivative worksEdit

I have closed the proposal about Derivative works as generally supporting some such works on Wikisource. I have now started a Request for comment on annotations and derivative works page to work out the details. I apologise for it being a bit long winded but it has been unresolved for a long time and I hoped this approach would make everything clearer after past attempts have stalled without resolution. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 22:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Footnote advice requestedEdit

Hi, I would appreciate your thoughts on how to deal with the footnotes in Index:Romeo and Juliet (Dowden).djvu. An example page is Page:Romeo and Juliet (Dowden).djvu/51. There are two sets of footnotes on each page of the text. The first are critical and the second are explanatory. Both sets are referenced by line number in the scene. I'm planning to transclude the text by Scene rather than by Act. Should I keep the two sets separate? Or can I combine them? Is it going beyond the bounds of the annotations discussion to add reference markers to the text (either at the ends of the lines or at the actual word(s) being discussed)? Londonjackbooks has made some suggestions based on her experience with the Byron critical edition she's working through. Best, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

  1. Go to a fairly written article on Wikipedia or another Wiki that you think might have dual references (references AND notes). If you can't find one, I will supply the name of one.
  2. Edit the page (or look at the source code) and find which templates produce the notes.
  3. Do a site search for Template:*insert name of template that produces the notes here*.
  4. Does the documentation for the template present the template as something appealing to you? If so check to see if the template is already on Wikisource.
  5. If it's not on Wikisource, you can try to copy it to Wikisource, making sure to copy all the sub-templates used in the template as well.
  6. If you want to be really nice you can go to category:Interwiki link templates and use one of the link templates on the new notes template to indicate that the new notes template you are bringing to Wikisource is used on a sister project.
I don't think the discussion at annotations is over yet, so I doubt there are any hard and fast rules there.
ResScholar (talk) 08:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Further discussionEdit


No doubt you're watching the admin noticeboard at present, but as a courtesy I just wanted to let you know I've fired up the broader discussion on your recent blocks. Apologies for what will no doubt be a stressful and unpleasant discussion for you. I really feel we need to come to grips with this. Hesperian 14:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Never mind; I was unaware that you had undertaken to refrain from further blocks until confirmation. Discussion is closed. Hesperian 14:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Not NowEdit

Re edit, now is not the time. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

You are missing the point at Wikisource:Administrators' noticeboard, it really does not matter what your rational for summary blocking established users is. It pretty easy to undue edits, it is really hard undo volunteers leaving the project. not to mention undoing the personal and cultural damage when a small community as a whole must reconsider the trust they have placed in an administrator. At your conformation in July I will be weighing your value to the project, against value of those users lost in the past and potential lost in the future. I would really like to have positive arguments to make in supporting you, but am finding it increasing difficult. I am not emotionally vested in any of the blocks you have made, so would like to think I am reasonably neutral observer. I would like help you work through what is going on here, I am offering, the next step is yours. Jeepday (talk) 10:37, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
To quote MODCHK, "I issue a reverse challenge: just how much so-called 'analysis' went into this decision before ResidentScholar pushed the 'block' button? Any at all? None? This gives me the 'impression' of lazy administration... MODCHK (talk) 00:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)"
Jeepday, I am rising to MODCHK's challenge by explaining my analysis in its entirety. He, along, with my fellow administrators, can judge whether the quantity—or the quality—was sufficient once it is presented as a whole and in an organized fashion. ResScholar (talk) 22:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
You don’t have any fellow administrators to judge you, you belong to a community of volunteers, who grant special tools to their peers who they believe will use those tools appropriately. The grant is temporary and subject to recall, had you not agreed to stop using the blocking tool, that recall would be going on right now, rather then in July. MODCHK is not challenging you defend your action, they are pointing out, that you made a snap judgement, without regard to established expectations. You have pretty much destroyed the communities trust in your ability to make judgements they would support. Your continued insistence on attempting to defend your actions rather then realize, they are indefensible just adds the problem.
After the last incident I and I believe the majority of the community believed you understood Wikisource:Blocking_policy#Controversial_blocks, and would apply it in the future. We now find that is not the case. As I see it, you personally have two issues to consider.
  1. Recognize why your actions where wrong
  2. Consider how your commitment to the project would change where you to lose the admin tools.
I would be more then happy to help you with either of these. I have been rather blunt, and no offense is intended, but you appear to be completely missing the big picture here. If we were on Wikipedia I would Whack you with a wet trout though at this point a whale might be more appropriate. Jeepday (talk) 10:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
It's funny that he thinks administrators are the only ones qualified to judge him. It's as if this is an aristocracy over here.
But you know, Jeepday, if this is Wikipedia and he made it to the admin level, he'd have his own clique to defend him and will be able to privately CANVAS support in complaint hearings. That's how the social ladder of aristocrats works in Wikipedia. 15:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Second eyes appreciatedEdit

Index:History of the Anti corn law league.pdf ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:02, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I could do some pages of that next time I proofread pages. I gave it a try by proofreading that page in the middle. ResScholar (talk) 09:53, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
BTW if you think it's worth cross referencing names (like you did elsewhere) feel free.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:56, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

The Time has ComeEdit

Time has passed, and things have calmed down. It is July and Confirmation discussions have begun. The confirmation would be the right place and the right time to make any statements you feel are appropriate concerning community concerns about your blocking history. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 14:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

ResidentScholar, above JeepdaySock shows Confirmation discussions by JeepdaySock. I have voted for you to keep your position as administrator. Still, in looking at comments and votes I am curious as to whether or not you even want that position of administrator. Rather than being silent why not make a statement either way to everyone people? I think you should voice your desire. I did when I withdrew from a voting process to be an administrator. Administrators do so much that no amount of "thank you" is ever good enough for all they do and have done for the rest of us and for Wikisource and for the reason you have worked since on Wikis since Jan. 2008. Toss away the task of blocking and remain a good administrator. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 23:40, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
It appears you have chosen to stop editing, and not to pursue your admin privileges. If that is the case, it makes me sad. You are a great asset to the project, and it would be a hardship to loose your participation. In all areas but one, your actions appear overwhelmingly appreciated by the community. Try not to let, one thing drive your response, nor some criticism shade your entire outlook.
If personal or technological challenges are keeping you away at this time. I hope that you overcome them soon and find your way back. Jeepday (talk) 00:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource User GroupEdit

Wikisource, the free digital library is moving towards better implementation of book management, proofreading and uploading. All language communities are very important in Wikisource. We would like to propose a Wikisource User Group, which would be a loose, volunteer organization to facilitate outreach and foster technical development, join if you feel like helping out. This would also give a better way to share and improve the tools used in the local Wikisources. You are invited to join the mailing list 'wikisource-l' (English), the IRC channel #wikisource, the facebook page or the Wikisource twitter. As a part of the Google Summer of Code 2013, there are four projects related to Wikisource. To get the best results out of these projects, we would like your comments about them. The projects are listed at Wikisource across projects. You can find the midpoint report for developmental work done during the IEG on Wikisource here.

Global message delivery, 23:22, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

First Half of the Seventeenth CenturyEdit

The Index page for this work says this is volume 7, but I don't find anything to suggest there are other volumes. Is this an error on the index page? --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

It's number 7 of the series described on page (ii). Maybe volume isn't the right name for it, but the series appears to be in chronological order. ResScholar (talk) 00:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that explains it. I'll remove the volume number then, since it has nothing to do with the individual work, but pertains to the series of which the work is a part.


Interestingly, the First Half of the Seventeenth Century that you added is currently the only work legitimately listed at that portal. All the other items are misplaced. Under the LoC system, PN is for mostly general works, not specific ones. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks better now that you've cleaned it up! ResScholar (talk) 03:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

To the BirdEdit

See Talk:To the Bird. Thanks! Nahum (talk) 01:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The person who submitted this work didn't follow the instructions on the OTRS help page at Commons linked to in the copyright discussion.

Flood flag?Edit

Hi, this is just a suggestion. To avoid flooding recent changes with the year category deletions, you could turn on the flood flag for yourself. It's only something that admins can do to their own accounts. The main problem I find is remembering to turn it off again. To activate go to Special:User rights management. You should see a check box for "bot user". Check that, save it and you're away. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 20:52, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

You have my thanks for the suggestion and your expertise. It's now on. ResScholar (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about how best to deal with an anonymous letter in the middle of a collectionEdit

Hi, User:Susanarb has been working on the complete works of Jonathan Swift and asking me questions as she goes. She's now come across a situation that I'm not sure how best to handle. Can I invite you to User talk:Beeswaxcandle#Anonymous Author to share your thoughts? I'm asking Hesperian as well as he uploaded the books and may have thought through this kind of thing before. Many thanks, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright concerns in anthologiesEdit

About the time the Armistice Day work was uploaded the following was also uploaded.Index:Our American Holidays - Christmas.djvu. I would like to request a discreet review of it status. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

"May Night" and "To the Dead Doughboys" were copyrighted 1920, so they're all right, you can put them back. But you need to check the rest. You found the Renewal, so you know how to do it. Just check the rest of the works in the acknowledgement section. Just remember the Stanford index only deals with book renewals; you'll have to go to other resources for the newspaper renewals.
I looked at the first section of Christmas (which I think was a Proofread of the Month) as a random sample. 15% of those authors died after 1923. Yes they need to be checked and removed if they renewed. Googlebooks may also help find some of those quickly (by being in a pre-1923 book). The big problem will be that its unsure whether these items are from a newspaper, a magazine or a book. I wish there were a searchable text-file index of authors for newspaper and magazines for the entire 1923-1964 renewal period, but I don't think there is yet. ResScholar (talk) 20:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
All 3 items noted here listed at Wikisource:Possible_copyright_violations#Anthologies. If someone else wants to retain these, then they are welcome to do the legwork, but at the moment, I am inclined to vote for deletion (of the contested authors works at the very least) on the basis of being cautious. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Index:A masque of poets 1878.djvuEdit

Can you read the hand-written Authorship notes? I can't. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Canadian PoetsEdit

Some Good news, Please see Index talk:Canadian poems of the great war.djvu, for what it's worth a fair proportion of what I'd proofread was fine, (reverted in good faith). The expiry noted is Life+50 (for Canada), except for one work where the circumstances of death of the author means I've applied a a life+70 meaning that because as I understood it the UK applies the rule of the shorter term, my contirbutions where in fact reasonable. There are 2 authors I've not been able to trace.

However, because of your comments elsewhere, I'm withdrawing (good faith) from further contributions in respect of proofreading in respect of this work. 17:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Index:Book Of Halloween(1919).djvuEdit

There are only 3 Acknwoldgements to confirm, but there is a table of quotations that needs looking at.

The book itself is a 1919 US publication, (It's the life+ Authors I'd like to know about.)ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Whole lot of double redirects.Edit


I was wondering if these recent moves need to be fixed now or can the original title(s) be deleted? -- George Orwell III (talk) 06:44, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

There are four batches that need to be fixed. I finished the first batch. It won't take me long. ResScholar (talk) 07:33, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
  Done ResScholar (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


THANK YOU so much for adding the EB article on Sophocles. Will you also be doing Euripides? Please? :)

I've been adding NIE articles on the "lesser" Greek dramatists to Portal:Ancient Greek drama#Dramatists. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:52, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

lol Okay. Maybe Molière too. I saw your additions to the Portal and appreciate your organizational skills that you applied there. ResScholar (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I can't complete it. The middle two pages contain too many spoilers! ResScholar (talk) 04:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Spoilers? For Ancient Greek drama? Or, do you mean that you haven't yet read the plays, and don't want to spoil your personal experience reading them? --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
The latter, yes. But I'll still do the last two pages. ResScholar (talk) 04:45, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
OK. With that much done, I might be able to imitate your formatting to finish the middle pages myself. I might need help transcribing the Greek passages, however, as I can't always recognize some of the diacriticals. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Euripides article now complete. Thanks again for your kind assistance. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:29, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Bede workEdit

I was about to give it a second pass, for consistency. if there are some specfic concerns you'd like to raise, I'd appreciate it, noting some annoyances myself, such as 3's misread as 8's and so on. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Also I'd like to know about issues with {{sn-paragraph}} ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Index:Goody Two-Shoes (1881).djvuEdit

Making good progress on this. Any chance you could look through this with a pedants eye? (I've rechecked some pages many times to be sure I hadn't missed things, but...) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I think I need some helpEdit

I am about to have a meltdown over checking stuff, which is presumably why you left the Scriptorium comments... on some spot checks I'm not finding major issues, but perhaps if there is a concern that I am not proofreadin effectively I ought to leave the project.? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:30, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I randomly checked that work about Venerable Bede you were doing and didn't find one typo. I was talking about your making three typing mistakes in five short sentences in the Scriptorium. Now that kind of rate we do have to worry about on the proofreading pages. Evidently you're an awkward typist, but a good proofreader. ResScholar (talk) 22:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Only because I'd given it a second read through after you'd posted on the Scriptorium! Check my recent contribs as well. I thought you were wanting me to go back over old material looking for stuff I'd missed on the first pass.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


Of interst? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Index:Wind in the Willows.djvuEdit

I was giving this a second read, I've been spotting a number of hyphen/m-dsah confusions. Any chance you can give it a look(with a view to validation as well?

(The other thing I am trying to do with it is header cleanup and quote style matching) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Suppliants (Coleridge)Edit

Since you indicated an intention to read the plays of Euripides, I thought I'd let you know that I've finished proofreading the Coleridge translation of The Suppliants. Feel free to read and/or validate at your leisure, but be warned that it is not one of his better plays. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Closed: not confirmedEdit

Hi RS,

I have closed your administrator confirmation discussion as "not confirmed", and requested removal of the extra rights from your account. Thanks for your long service as an admin, and sorry that it has come to a sad and unpleasant end for you. I hope you feel you can continue to contribute here. No doubt it feels like the community has kicked you in the guts right now, but I assure you, you remained a valued editor. Hesperian 05:28, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Global accountEdit

Hi ResidentScholar! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Cheers, DerHexer (talk) 19:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


Hey @ResidentScholar:,

I notice that you transcribed and created Unigenitus, a bull of Clement XI that appears in Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent. I am currently working on the rest of Canons and Decrees, and I think the best thing to do would be to redirect Unigenitus to Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent/Second Part/Condemnation of the Errors of Paschasius Quesnell instead of having them both as identical pages. Do you agree, or do you have a better idea?

Beleg Tâl (talk) 14:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Res Gestae Divi AugustiEdit

Hi there! This will be a trip down memory lane, but I noticed that you moved the Res Gestae Divi Augusti to Res Gestae (Anon) back in 2010. I was puzzled to see the "Anon" part, as the Res Gestae is written in the divine Augustus' own name; if it was not really composed by Augustus himself (and there is every reason to think that it was), it was surely ghostwritten. Would you have any objection to my moving the page to Res Gestae Divi Augusti? QuartierLatin1968 (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh wait, never mind—the translator's anonymous; is that right? QuartierLatin1968 (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Not User:ResidentScholar, but I think that's probably the case. However, I'm pretty sure it should be moved to Translation:Res Gestae instead. I'll take care of this. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2015 (UTC)