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Deletions edit

Thanks for the speedy deletions of Songs of Peace titles; there will be more in the coming days,—apologies if you're the recipient. Some time ago I thought it would be smart to link the titles to a text in anticipation of an added Index, but I have since found a collected volume, and am regretting that call now. Have a good one, Londonjackbooks (talk) 02:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

No worries, happy to be assistance. Have a good day! Hesperian 02:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hesperianbot images removal edit

Hi Hespaerian. Is it possible for you to delete the images your bot has created from Index:The Garden of Eden (Doughty).djvu because I have used the exact same filename to upload to commons and now I can't get my uploaded images to display, but the local wikisource images are displayed instead. Thanks for your help. Jpez (talk) 08:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Jpez: Label the local images with {{NowCommons}} and the process will be to speedy delete the images. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:06, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Will do. Thanks! Jpez (talk) 12:35, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Can you please not use the same filename. It's documented in various places that you need to use a different filename for the final images. Otherwise you confuse my bot. Hesperian 23:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Jpez: as a follow up about naming. Commons likes a good descriptive name, and that is actually beneficial for anyone who may wish to use the image outside of the work. If you need some assistance to do some bulk renames, that I can easily do for you as I have rights here and there. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Also I see that there are images tagged for speedy deletion that are still being transcluded into page namespace via {{missing image}} AND that some of them have multiple images on one page. When these are deleted and the commons image behind shows through, the page is going to be a confusing mess. Hesperian 00:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

@Hesperian: Sorry I didn't know that we shouldn't use the same filename until now. About the mess and the multiple images, it doesn't really matter as I'll have them fixed soon and the work is still incomplete.
@Billinghurst: Can you please give me an example for how they should be named. Jpez (talk) 05:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

There was a request at WS:Scriptorium/Help to assist in the completion of the work. I have edited some pages, whereupon I discovered that it is not transcluded. This work is more in line with works that you have done, so wondered whether you wish to poke it around, and fix the transclusion. If not, then I will look to give it some effort this week, or next. — billinghurst sDrewth

Meh. Very busy lately. I don't have much time for Wikisource, and prefer to use that time plodding along on Henry James. EncycloPetey would be another person you might talk to about this. Hesperian 00:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Okay, thanks. Wanted to check before presuming. Hope that the busy part of life is a good thing. :-) — billinghurst sDrewth 00:20, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Yep. Bad-busy has passed. I'm in good-busy now. :-) Hesperian 00:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks edit

Perfect. Moondyne (talk) 12:06, 18 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

My pleasure. Hesperian 01:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

image confused edit

I took   and cleaned it up and it looks good on my PC, yet when uploaded to commons it looks this insipid washed out   version. It is not browser, and the original version looks fine. Do you know what's going on with the image renderer? Yours confusedly. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

I've noticed that when creating .png images vs. .jpg Londonjackbooks (talk) 12:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
<sigh> phabricator:T106516, whine applied — billinghurst sDrewth 12:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply
Or we just ditch the crap versions from the work and use  . Something can be said in not being true to a scan of a published work. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Reply

You seem to have figured it out in my absence. Good stuff. Regarding introducing colour, I've never been comfortable with it; it's a slippery slope. Thus by definition, anything I might say against it can be dismissed as "slippery slop fallacy". I note you were much more forceful in your view three years ago. Perhaps in another ten years you'll have changed your mind! Hesperian 03:45, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

The miscellaneous botanical works of Robert Brown edit

Hi, I’ve encountered this and thought it looks like the sort of thing I enjoy proofreading and have put it on my list, but it is missing Vol 3 so will probably be at the bottom of the pile. If you want it moved up, could you add Vol 3? Cheers, Zoe — Zoeannl (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Zoe. The first two volumes are online. The third volume, which is plates and illustrations only, isn't. I do have access to a physical copy, but all I could do with it is run it through an office scanner, which would take a long time, and I suspect the illustrations deserve better than that. I'll have a think about what can be done. Hesperian 00:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)Reply

Confusled edit

I cannot work out what I have done to have the fromsection gobbled at Logic Taught by Love/Chapter 8. Done this many times, and <shrug>. Help? — billinghurst sDrewth 12:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

fixed? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 12:44, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Reply
<facepalm> thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 15:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

Joseph Dalton Hooker edit

Hi! You created Author:Joseph Dalton Hooker way back in 2010‎ from a public domain bibliography but didn’t cleaned it up later as you stated then in the edit summary. Are you in a position to do it now? If I were you I would simply nuke it and copy paste content from Portal:India#Flora. Solomon7968 (talk) 07:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

  Done I cleaned it up as per above. Do let me know what you think of it. Solomon7968 (talk) 11:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Meh. I don't think you have improved the page. I think you've thrown out a lot of important bibliographic information. Hesperian 00:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Solomon7968: The additions are useful, the removals are not. I believe that the ability to have the fullest possible listing of works is advantageous. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply
Ok I restored the removal as per you both. Solomon7968 (talk) 02:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

Thanks guys. Solomon, I do appreciate your desire to improve the page by archiving the 'dross' and bringing the major works into focus. And yes, the page is messy and has a lot of low-value entries with poor readability. But I do think that completeness is important. So I've created a "Selected works" section at the top and put into it the material that you had retained. Then a "Full list of works" section under it. This is perhaps more useful to the reader than either of our versions. What do you think? Hesperian 03:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)Reply

remove space before ' s edit

For your common.js & you’re welcome. —Maury (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Maury. I've no idea what you're saying. Hesperian 05:39, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
’allo Hesperian, It was what you wrote after an edit on a book page. On vague recall I edited some pages of your present work and all places where it should have word’s it instead had space and then word ’s. You made a note and I saw it. Nothing big I guess but I think you edited your common.js to correct that. In any case it was an excuse to say, " ’allo " to you friend, way down under. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 06:57, 9 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the fixes. This work has an unusual typesetting that make it difficult to proof. Contractions have obvious spaces e.g. I 'll, We 've, They 're. The OCR has these spaces and I'm preserving them. Possessives sometimes have what might be a thin space but looks more like bad kerning. On the page it looks to me like father's, mother's, nurse's, etc., but the OCR sometimes comes out father 's, mother 's, nurse 's, etc. I'm removing those spaces, but I have to be careful not to remove the spaces in contractions that end in 's, such as what 's for what is. It's not easy when dealing with sentences like
It 's mama's carriage; mama 's home!
Fun 'n' games. Hesperian 03:12, 10 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
  • Hesperian, you are very welcome. You are a very dedicated man with all of those strange contractions. I thought it must be an ’Australian-in-anguish english thingy’.   It reminds me of how possessive England was and is. Too many of the words have "our" in them; honour, colour &c. The USA threw them out. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
    We had particularly excluded the space removal of ' and " from the script. It might be safer to right a separate script line that can be applied and judiciously watched, rather than merge to the existing cleaning script. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

We should disambiguate Author:Henry James … edit

as we have Author:Henry James (1803-1877), though there are lots of links, and he is one of your favourites. I'll let you ponder. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Rather annoying, but I don't see that "one of your favourites" is grounds for ignoring policy. Go ahead and move it, or leave it to me and I'll move and clean up over the next week. Hesperian 03:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
(duck, weave) I will leave it to you. I have enough maintenance queued awaiting my attention, while I take a few days off and actually transcribe new material. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
It's on my list.... Hesperian 00:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

oh, those beautiful purple squares or spotting image pages. edit

Hesperian, is it a lot of trouble for you to use your bot to mark image pages purple so that I know where all of the images are located? If not I ask it to be done to volumes 3-9. If it is then that’s okay and I thank you for any considerations. Index:Cassell%27s_Illustrated_History_of_England_vol_2.djvu. —Maury (talk) 09:44, 18 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

Hi Maury, it has been a long time since I put some time into a bot run. I will try to get onto it over the next few days. Hesperian 03:07, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
It isn’t a necessity, Hesperian, it just makes finding images easier. If it is a TASK please forget it because I will come to each image in due time. I am working on volume 2 of 9 volumes with volume 1 completed. So that leaves 3-9 volumes. I myself have no idea how difficult it is or isn’t to do a "bot run" or how long it takes. I certainly am not in any hurry. I do thank you for the kind reply and consideration though. Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 14:21, 21 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hesperian, please cancel the above request. I may not be able to do all of the pages in all of those volumes. Someone who was working with me is rarely around any longer. Thank you for the consideration. —Maury (talk) 11:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hi Maury, happy to cancel the specific request, but I thank you all the same for the timely reminder that my bot needs to be run. I'll likely end up tagging those image as a matter of course. Hesperian 01:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Hello again, Hesperian. I came by to say that I agree the Hesperian bot should run again lest it become rusty and outdated. Please do make the image pages on volumes 3-9 purple. But no need whatsoever to state they need an image inside because that is an annoyance to me since I have to delete every one before inserting the image. I just want to know where each image or three within a cell is located. Two excellent editors are working with me now doing the text so I can focus on the hundreds of images. When can you start and how much do you charge ? (in USA coinage, I distrust the Euro, British pound, or Aussie Sea-Shells [especially the "sand-dollar"] in monetary exchanges.) :D Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 21:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
Howdy. My bot works by uploading page scans for pages that are tagged with {{missing image}} or {{raw image}}. If it uploaded page scans for every Problematic (purple) page, then it would be uploading an awful lot of useless scans of pages that are problematic for some reason other than missing an image. Therefore I have to take these pages as missing an image if you want the bot to upload image scans for them. Hesperian 00:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Reply
uh oh! Please, no, do not place missing images or raw images unless I come here and say "I quit the Cassell volumes" Otherwise please don’t do anything on these volumes. There are hundreds of images, often 3-5 images on one page. I really dislike having to remove "missing image" or "raw image" when I can see there is a missing image. That’s just extra work and I have a long way to go as it is. Thank you for that explanation on your bot. —Maury (talk) 11:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)Reply

wikilink question edit

Hello. In Page:Homer - Iliad, translation Pope, 1909.djvu/18 ["Thus the story of Sinon and the taking of Troy was copied (says Macrobius) almost word for word from Pisander"], you linked to Author:Peisander of Laranda – but it's hard to see how Virgil could have copied from an author who lived two centuries after him. (Maybe Macrobius was referring to Peisander of Camirus, though this is unlikely; because we can't settle this question, I don't think we should link to either author.) ~ DanielTom (talk) 10:40, 7 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

Agreed. Unlinked. Thanks and sorry for the misattribution. Hesperian 10:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)Reply
It's not your misattribution. Maybe the wikilink is fine, I don't know: it shouldn't be up to Wikisource to conceal the mistakes of authors (in this case of Macrobius – or of a scribe, if "copied by Pisander" was changed to "copied from Pisander"). But thanks for your consideration. ~ DanielTom (talk) 11:03, 7 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

per redundancy edit

Per your question about Out of the Eons, the page is a duplicate of Out of the Aeons, and also gives a later date.--Auric (talk) 21:15, 12 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

That's not quite a complete view. The version with the earlier date purports to be a transcription of the original manuscript. The version with the later date is a published copy of the work in Weird Tales, and may therefore be edited and not identical. In any case, we would not want to replace or remove the published copy. And assuming that the manuscript transcription can be properly sourced as such, then the two copies should have a version page .--EncycloPetey (talk) 21:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)Reply

Comments on talk pages edit

I agree with you, so I am not going to enter into further discussions, other than to ask if you think I should post an apology notice (concerning the project suggestion on User talk:BethNaught (now removed.)?.

I've put the wikibreak template on my User page, for the following reasons.

  1. There needs to be a cool-down/time-out.
  2. I've noticed some backlogs on another project.
  3. I wanted to get something on la wikisource "entered"

When I come back to English Wikisource, I'd like to continue re-checking the contested work, with mentoring support if that is acceptable. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

Re: user:Captain Nemo edit

I realise (in 20/20 hindsight) it was not your original intention to continue the vote upon Wikisource:Administrators#Captain_Nemo_2. Nevertheless it is probably best to "clear the air" upon a potentially borderline matter. Especially since it is one where I would otherwise not have expressed an opinion as rather have said nothing about somebody who I felt rather ambivalent about. AuFCL (talk) 05:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)Reply

Featuring Henry James edit

Are you still working on Henry James? We still have some slots open to feature texts this year, including June and November, and James' last novels were published posthumously in 1917, exactly 100 years ago this year. So if you were to finish one of them in time, we could feature it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi Petey,
Yes, I am, but I'm working through them in order, and only up to 1899, so disinclined to leap ahead to 1917.
However, Index:The Aspern Papers.djvu (1888) and Index:Two Magics.djvu (1898) are both fully validated and transcluded. Both first editions. The later contains The Turn of the Screw, an extremely famous novella.
Plus there are a further 29 works proofread by me but not yet validated; if you want to get one validated, take your pick!
Hesperian 09:56, 20 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hesperian, may I work on validating one of those you have mentioned to EncycloPetey. If so which would be a good one that EncycloPetey mentions as June or November by Henry James that could possibly be featured? I’ve validated a couple of your books in the past. Perhaps EncycloPetey and I could validate together to make sure one would be ready by June or November. Possibly we can match the month with the story. Leaves falling for November. —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hi Maury. Of course you may. I didn't quite catch the context from what you said there, but the following are complete Henry James texts awaiting validation: The Europeans (London: Macmillan & Co., 1878),  Done Washington Square, The Pension Beaurepas, A Bundle of Letters (2 volumes, London: Macmillan & Co., 1881), A Landscape Painter (New York: Scott and Seltzer, 1919)  Done, Gabrielle de Bergerac (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1918)  Done, Watch and Ward (Boston: Houghton, Osgood & Co., 1878),  Done Travelling Companions (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1919), A Passionate Pilgrim and Other Tales (Boston: James R. Osgood & Co., 1875), Master Eustace (New York: Thomas Seltzer, 1920), An International Episode (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1879)  Done, Confidence (London: Macmillan & Co., 1921)  Done, The Portrait of a Lady (London: Macmillan & Co., 1881), Tales of Three Cities (Boston: James R. Osgood & Co., 1884), The Author of Beltraffio, Pandora, Georgina's Reasons, The Path of Duty, Four Meetings, The Bostonians (London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1886)  Done, The Princess Casamassima (3 volumes, London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1886)  Done, The Reverberator (1 volume, American issue, London and New York, Macmillan & Co., 1888), The Lesson of the Master, The Marriages, The Pupil, Brooksmith, The Solution, Sir Edmund Orme (New York & London: Macmillan & Co., 1892), The Tragic Muse (London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1890), The Real Thing and Other Tales (New York & London: Macmillan & Co., 1893), The Private Life, Lord Beaupré, The Visits  Done, The Wheel of Time, Collaboration, Owen Wingrave  Done, Terminations (New York: Harper and Brothers, 1895)  Done, Embarrassments (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1897), The Other House (London: William Heinemann, 1896), The Spoils of Poynton (London: William Heinemann, 1897), What Maisie Knew (Chicago & New York: Herbert S. Stone & Co., 1897), In the Cage (London: Duckworth, 1898)   Done, The Soft Side (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1900), The Awkward Age (New York: Harper and Brothers, 1899)  Done. The ones on that list of most literary significance are The Portrait of a Lady, The Spoils of Poynton and What Maisie Knew. However James' three most acclaimed novels (The Ambassadors, The Golden Bowl, The Wings of the Dove) are all late-career works that I haven't gotten up to yet. I'm going to do The Wings of the Dove next. If you're looking for something to validate in November (or to validate in time to feature in November), it might be best to wait for that one. Hesperian 08:50, 13 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
The Novels and Tales of Henry James/Volume 1 (Roderick Hudson) (1907)   Done --kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
The Novels and Tales of Henry James/Volume 2 (The American) (1907)   Done --kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:20, 15 June 2017 (UTC)Reply
A London Life, The Patagonia, The Liar, Mrs. Temperly (1 volume, American issue, London & New York: Macmillan & Co., 1889)   Done--kathleen wright5 (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Please check where I removed what appeared a stray I but I’m not sure. —William Maury Morris IITalk 15:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

1. The Europeans (London: Macmillan & Co., 1878),  DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 09:31, 18 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

2. A Landscape Painter (New York: Scott and Seltzer, 1919)  DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 10:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

3. Gabrielle de Bergerac (New York: Boni and Liveright, 1918)  DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 00:06, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

4. Watch and Ward (Boston: Houghton, Osgood & Co., 1878),  DoneWilliam Maury Morris IITalk 00:49, 24 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Golly! Everyone seems to have been validating Henry James at the same time! I'm very grateful that these have been progressed so far! Hesperian 04:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply
With all the validating going on, it might even be possible early next year to feature more than one Henry James work in a month on a rotation (we've done that before). It would be great to show off all this dedication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

Added a comment to your book edit

Hey Hesperian,

I added a warning on the scan page to those like me who would just start working on it as it looks like a nearly complete work that should be capped off. Cheers! -- Jasonanaggie (talk) 03:15, 12 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

You failed to sign that comment too. People might wonder who the author is. G’Day, —William Maury Morris IITalk 03:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)Reply

I've found one of your indexes that you seem to have forgotten about from 2014, which has'nt been Proofread. --kathleen wright5 (talk) 23:50, 9 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi Kathleen,
No, not forgotten, the list I provided Maury was just a list of proofread ones. I haven't proofread that one because I ended up proofing each of the stories in it in other collections.
Hesperian 00:05, 12 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

lunch edit

what do I have to do to get time to have the 3 year lost lunch ? Jarrah Tree (talk) 05:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

JIC edit

Just in case it is of interest and helpful, I have created Template:Atlantic Monthly link to standardise input/output. I will shortly be running a bot through Author: ns to update the myriad of links that have recently appeared. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Template:Not-PD-US-URAA edit

Please undelete it to facilitate Wikisource:Scriptorium#Consider Wikisource a library (for U.S. copyrite law). If the community opposes proposed tolerance (not encouragement), I may request deleting it again. Thanks.--Jusjih (talk) 03:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Done. Hesperian 01:04, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Index:A voyage to Abyssinia (Salt).djvu edit

Hi. I see your involvement with this work, though don't know the where and why. Anyway I had to fiddle with a page with an error showing, and prodding other proofread pages showed that numbers of the refs are still in the body of the work, not scraped to refs. There was also at least one example of foreign language characters missing from the page where it was still marked as proofread. My gut feel is that if the work has been proofread that it is based on the words, not on contextualising the text, and maybe not proofread to our expectations.

BTW help that you are well, problem-free, and enjoying RL. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

G'day. Here is the "why": List of new and rare Plants, collected in Abyssinia during the years 1805 and 1810, arranged according to the Linnean System. I don't think I've proofed any of that other than Appendix 4.
Yep, going very well, thanks; better every year. And the better for hearing from you, mate. Hope you're going well too.
Hesperian 07:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I have poked it before the community to see if anyone can give it some love.

Here. Complex and complicated life, as ever. Left foot, right foot. Enjoy what you can, especially a premiership. :-) And lightly thinking about 1 Sunday afternoon game at Perth Stadium (v West Coast, local time) if airfares and the C&CL permits. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Possible to run your image-upload bot soon? edit

Hi Hesperian, I have been working on some more texts with full page scans at IA, and would like to start posting some of them on Commons and in Wikipedia articles. Any chance you could give your bot a whirl in, say, the next couple weeks? There are a few works I'm interested in, but the primary ones are Index:Eleven years in the Rocky Mountains and a life on the frontier.djvu and Index:Oregon, her history, her great men, her literature.djvu. (But, a lot of the images in the second of those have not yet been tagged with {{raw image}}, so it would need a second pass in the future.) -Pete (talk) 15:26, 26 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi Pete, yeah sorry, it's been on my list for ages, but the computer it is set up on is downstairs with poor wifi and I need to get a range extender etc etc etc. I'll try to get a run going this weekend. Hesperian 01:29, 27 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
Update: I have actually made some huge progress on this. But I probably won't be in a position to upload images until next weekend. Hesperian 10:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
About 2400 images uploaded last night; there's more there that I need to work through before uploading. When I do, I'll prioritise those two works mentioned above. Hesperian 00:22, 19 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the efforts and for the update! -Pete (talk) 21:56, 19 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

On the occasion of edit

the birthday of Henry James. Have a good day :) Londonjackbooks (talk) 15:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

Oh! So it is. Thankyou! Hesperian 00:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! edit

I’m finished with the Swift 19-volume set. Over the last 5 years (my anniversary was two days ago) I have touched each of the 8600 pages at least twice, and many of them several times, as I learned how to create legible text out of codes. While I learned a lot from the Wikisource Help pages, I couldn’t have completed the volumes without the help of Greek and Latin experts, someone who created a beautiful piece of sheet music (at the end of volume 16), and several (many?) persons who helped with columns and margins and other fancy page layouts. My biggest thanks, though, are reserved for Beeswaxcandle (talk), Hesperian, billinghurst sDrewth, —Maury (talk), and EncycloPetey (talk) – all of you have been incredible with your help and encouragement!

I’m not sure what I’ll tackle next. It may be something fun (are any of Mark Twain’s works waiting?) or other early 18th century works (I might as well continue to use the huge data base of links to people and works of the era). For today, though, I am sending Swift out to the future, hoping that people will once again remember him for more than Gulliver.
Susanarb (talk) 05:14, 31 May 2018 (UTC)Reply

That's a magnificent effort, and a huge asset to the site. Well done indeed! (You might like to add it to Template:New texts so that it appears on the main page.) It's been great having you here. I can't wait to see what you take on next! Hesperian 01:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)Reply

laughter and anger edit

I was laughing almost all of the time in the oughties. I don't know if the laughter was appropriate for what you were doing but it was for my perceptions. I never disagreed with you for very long. I don't know if it was a good thing or bad thing re-annexing Russia, but it is a good memory for me. In your absence I did not have as much fun. <-- All of the unfinished business that matters. Taking a day off now.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 18:44, 2 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Archiving of Admin confirmation for 2018-06 edit

Hi. I archived confirmation discussions, but I am a bit puzzled as this time confirmation did not happen the month after the previous discussion's one (i.e.. 2017-06 -> 2018-06 instead of 2018-07 as I would have expected looking at the archives). I am also not sure when the next confirmation should be then: 2019-06 or 2019-07? Shortly, a review on your side would be appreciated.— Mpaa (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Thanks for doing that. I'm back and was planning on doing it today, so happy to review. It's an odd thing about confirmations; it has always been 12 months and then a one-month confirmation discussion, for an aggregate of 13 months. That's not how I would have done it, but it was entrenched years before I started. Hesperian 00:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply
... it is 12 months from the end of the prognostication for a month on someone's worthiness to continue to be a janitor. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:12, 23 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

uploading into the namespace the bot made edit

Let's say I upload into the namespace the bot made. Then I notice that it is here and not there. How long would I have to fix it?--RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:49, 20 September 2018 (UTC)Reply

Until the next time I run the bot, which could be months. Hesperian 01:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)Reply

"Collective Edition of 1883" edit

I saw you created this, so I thought I'd ask -- Why does this even need to exist? "Collective Edition of 1883"

My understanding is that it is just Macmillan & Co's 1883 printing of 13 of James's works. (Kind of like how some publishers go and print up Shakespeare's works in individual volumes all at once, with the intent of selling them as a set. Eg. the nice leatherbound editions.) I've never seen a page like this before for a set of unrelated (other than by author) works, especially not one that doesn't have any content to go in it.... --Mukkakukaku (talk) 06:40, 28 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

Chertkov - Last Days of Tolstoy.djvu edit

I guess it won't matter now, but I was trying to find out if we could get the source file uploaded locally. It's PD in the US. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Oh, sorry mate. Hesperian 04:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Tripped Abuse Filter for some reason edit

Hey Hesperian!

Hope things are going well for you. As you know, I recently used {{Speedy}} to nominate a page for deletion. However, I still triggered Special:AbuseFilter/1 for some reason. I believe it has to do with this change by @MusikAnimal:. As I said before on WS:AN, I try to monitor these sorts of things, but it is also decently irritating to receive a warning for not placing a header on a soon-to-be-deleted page.

Could you please rectify the this error? @EncycloPetey: for your review as wellMJLTalk 01:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi MJL. Sorry that happened. I'm too busy IRL right now to make it a priority to debug this. Hopefully @MusikAnimal: will be responsive to this and refine their filter. As a second option, @Billinghurst: is probably the person here most familiar with the Abuse Filter. Good luck! Hesperian 02:02, 26 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yes indeed I believe this is my fault. Sorry! It should be fixed now. Thanks for the ping. MusikAnimal talk 02:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)Reply
Ah thank you all for the assistance! I can confirm it works now (test) –MJLTalk 02:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

New text edit

I'd like to remind you that your added text says "If, after the fact, community consensus in support of an action turns out to be uncertain, the administrator should voluntarily undo their action until consensus is established." And I'd point out that Xover has objected to your additional text, making consensus uncertain. This has become the first test of your proposal. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Maybe something to indicate you are joking, if you are? CYGNIS INSIGNIS 06:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Done. Even though I think it's the wrong outcome. Even though I think you're acting in bad faith, looking for the cheap win instead of the welfare of the site. Even though it galls me to hand you your petty victory. So now don't you make excuses not to revert your administrative actions when they are challenged by the community in future. Be bad-tempered about it be all means, disagree by all means, but do the revert. Hesperian 00:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

Community Insights Survey edit

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey edit

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reminder: Community Insights Survey edit

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

The Case of the Missing Accents edit

Back in 2014 you deleted the files…

…as WS:CSD G4 - Redundant: now commons. But for the first seven of these I can't find that they were ever on Commons, and at least those seven are still in use on Complete Encyclopaedia of Music/A/Accent. Could you take a look?

Also, if you happen to be musically inclined… It'd be nice to replace the images-of-scores on that page with actual LilyPond scores using the score extension. And I'd like to find some other way than an image to represent the In the signs of File:ACCENT 13.jpg, File:ACCENT 14.jpg, the accents lie … stuff, but I know squat about music so I don't know what might be an acceptable substitute. Any ideas? Would normal (text) fractions work? A standard template using a single common and high quality image from Commons? CSS tricks on regular numbers? --Xover (talk) 15:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

Beeswaxcandle has very kindly taken care of the music-related stuff in the referring page (Thank you!), so now the files (deleted or not) are unused in any case. In other words, please ignore the above request and my apologies for the noise. :) --Xover (talk) 08:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

Running "raw image" response from Toollabs? edit

Hi. Do you see that there could be value in running the bot application you designed for pages marked with template:raw image as you used to do locally onto Toollabs? We have Wikisource-bot available if that is a means to migrate the process if you see value. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:23, 12 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

G'day mate. It runs on an ancient version of pywikibot, and doesn't work any more, and I haven't [had time | made it a priority] to upgrade it. Also it is a somewhat time-consuming and very multi-step process. I think there are probably easier ways to do it these days. I'd love to say that I will invest time in resurrecting it, but realistically it isn't going to happen in the near future -- there are too many other demands on my time. If someone wants to take it on and try to bring it back to life on Toollabs, then I'll gladly donate the code. But they would need to know what they are getting into. Hesperian 23:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC) P.S. I miss George, he was fun.Reply
Thanks. Probability rated as low then. Yes he was (qualified statement). So are/were others (fully qualified statements).

FWIW the bloody AFL simply cannot functionally program RFC v (WCFC|FFC) matches on sensible days that allow coming west. I want something adjunct to school holidays, but no, despite my suggestions … completely ignored. If you have more influence with the fixture makers, ideally something middle week of school hols would be perfect. :-) Hope that fam side of the things is going well for you. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

26 September would be a good day for it! Yes, going great, thanks for caring. Hesperian 07:09, 14 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
#yeahnah maybe sometime after 2176 (think that is contract period). Excellent bloody news. And back to the original question, I see that we can now individually grab .jp2 files from the zips. [1]billinghurst sDrewth 10:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
If you do not mind, I might at least take a look and try to estimate effort. I contribute to pywikibot so I am familiar with the internals. As far as the rest of the conversation, it was very criptic to me but seems you two enjoyed it :-)Mpaa (talk) 21:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
Mpaa: send me an email when you're ready, and I'll reply with my python scripts. Billinghurst: only until 2057! Hesperian 04:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

The closing comment edit

If you're unhappy with the closing summary, you might want to try taking it up with me on my talk page (or on the Scriptorium if you would like it to be "public", for lack of a better word), explaining in what way you find it deficient and how you would like to see it improved. As it happens I'm not particularly happy with it either: I had typed up a nice long summary that tried to reflect all the nuances of the preceding discussion but lost it due to technical stupidity and settled on the current short one as "Grr! But this will have to do." And though short and without nuance, it does reflect the community's decision.

The problem with just striking it is that to anyone trying to unravel this in the archives 5 years hence it makes it look as if the community's decision was somehow invalidated and with no indication of the context and background. To try to piece it together from revision history after the fact would be a monumental archaeological project (we're talking checking all edits on WS:S over a 7 month period) that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. --Xover (talk) 06:49, 10 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

You reopened the discussion, seeking some kind of 'final' opinions from the community. Billinghurst told you for the Nth time that he was opposed, and you argued at him until he gave up the discussion. Belag made a neutral comment. Jan reiterated his support. Slowking told you for the Nth time that he was opposed, and you argued at him too. That's two opposes, one neutral, one support. Your assessment: "I intend to formally close this discussion at some point before the new year as reaffirming the original consensus." That pretty much says it all. There's no point discussing these things with you. You'll hit me with a wall of text, you'll argue until I quit the discussion in despair, you'll win by attrition, and no-one will even notice when you declare a final outcome, which will be whatever you want, labelled as 'consensus'. Go away. Hesperian 02:00, 12 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
I am very sorry you feel that way. A main goal for me in that process was avoiding anyone feeling steamrollered, so your frustration is ipso facto proof that I failed miserably at that. My sincerest apologies! If your frustration eventually recedes to the point where you wish to discuss this, do, please, stop by my talk page any time. --Xover (talk) 07:38, 12 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Spam filter block of edit of Sinews of Peace edit


I am a long-time Wiki editor for some 16 years, yet I am blocked from editing Sinews of Peace by a spam filter!?!

Currently, at the foot of the page:

==Video cuts of speech==
Does not agree with an edited video
http:// w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m /watch?v=jvax5VUvjWQ
has a different order

But this link is broken (YouTube use account does not exist)

So, I tried to fix this by appending:

The above link is broken (YouTube account no longer exists); try:
<w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m / watch?v=DZBqqzxXQg4 Introduction by President Harry S Truman, Churchill's speech starts at 08:42.>

Note: I did not attempt to delete the previous link (even though broken) because it has the attached comment that the speech was not identical to the transcript (different order of presentation) and I have not attempted to transcribe or audit the the audio of this YouTube video and compare it to the transcript. Presumably this would be a worthwhile endeavour for such a historically important speech.

Anyway, I was advised to edit MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist - but I am blocked from editing that too.

Note also: I deliberately mangled the YouTube URLs to get past the spam filter, but the correct URLs will be obvious to homo sapiens...

Surely I have been editing WikiMedia sites for long enough. How is it that I am having to deal with this?

I appreciate some help.


Enquire (talk) 04:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Still at it! Good to see edit

Cheers. Moondyne (talk) 06:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

G'day! Great to hear from you!
Only barely; these days it is one page per day if that.
Hesperian 00:26, 1 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Journal of the Royal Geographical Society of London, Volume 1 (2nd edition).djvu edit

Hello. There are a number of pages from Page:Journal of the Royal Geographical Society of London, Volume 1 (2nd edition).djvu/300 which all seem to have the same image and are not linked from the index. They show as having been created by you many years ago, though I am not clear what has happened since. I will put them all up for speedy delete. -- Beardo (talk) 16:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Beardo,
What has happened since is, only a few days ago a new scan was uploaded over the top of the old scan: see commons:File:Journal_of_the_Royal_Geographical_Society_of_London,_Volume_1_(2nd_edition).djvu#File history.
Anyhow, thanks for getting that cleaned up,
Hesperian 05:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Commons file extension fiasco edit

I tried to move File:Antigone (Storr) pt-1.ogg to File:Antigone (Storr) LibriVox-EN pt-1.ogg, but the software moved it to File:Antigone (Storr) LibriVox-EN pt-1.oga. Now I cannot correct the extension, nor can I move it back, nor will the RENAME template allow me to choose .OGG but forces .OGA into the display for my request.

What is happening, and why?

I also see that this file and its companion File:Antigone (Storr) pt-2.ogg have a displayed error "Invalid Ogg file: Cannot decode Ogg file: Invalid page at offset 58". --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Weird. I'm seeing the same thing as you. If I try to move it to .ogg, it says the file already exists, even though it doesn't. Hesperian 08:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Commons:Commons:Audio: "When uploading audio files use the file type oga; for video ogv, to differentiate amongst the generic ogg file type." I guess the system has automatically detected this file as audio, and forced the preferred extension. Hesperian 08:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply