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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:06, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

help meEdit

Thank you for your welcome, and your help!

I'm very new to this. I'm somewhat familiar with HTML, but many of these codes are new to me, and I'm not finding codes for everything. I started with a table of contents for the Letters of Jonathan Swift. Fixing the letters and numbers is easy enough. But I'm not sure how to put in the ......... between the description and the page number. I'm leaving everything as red until I can figure it out. I'm also seeing some paragraph marks in places, and I don't know how to remove those, or what codes I've added that created them in the first place. Could you please help?

Thank you!

Susan Arb Susanarb (talk) 02:17, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The tables of contents are among the more difficult things to layout here and most of us just use a table and don't worry about the dots. However, there are a couple of ways of putting the leader dots in. The most straightforward is the set of templates documented at {{TOC begin}}. You will need to use {{TOC row2dot-1}} for each line in the table. There are a couple of wrinkles needed to manage the multi-page bit, but I can help you with those when you've done the bits you understand. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:33, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! I've decided that, at least for now, I'll fix what I can and learn the rest later.

Susanarb (talk) 02:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Susanarb. You have new messages at Beeswaxcandle's talk page.
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If there are more letters …Edit

… you can just use {{running header}} in the body of a work to get the letter components to align, eg. {{running header|MY LORD,||DUBLIN, FEB. 16, 1733.}}. Don't get hung up on its name, it just is three aligned <div>s and is perfect for float left/float right combinations. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you -- I had been using that. Another user told me not to use the running header in the body, so I switched. I'll switch back to the running header again because it was easier. Susanarb (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Transclusion exampleEdit

Hi Susan, I've added section markers to the first letter and transcluded it here: The Works of Rev. Jonathan Swift/Volume 13/From Mr. Gay and the duchess of Queensberry. Hopefully it makes sense (in conjunction with Help:Transclusion). I'm about to go off line for the night, but I'll check back for any questions in ca. 10 hours from now. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 10:27, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Cool! I've taken a quick look at it, and I think I'll be able to follow your example. I'm spending most of today with my family, but will start again tomorrow. Thank you greatly! Susanarb (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


Thank you so much fo taking on the Herculean task of getting the works of Swift up on Wikisource. We don't have nearly enough representation of 17th and 18th century English literature, and this fact was originally what brought me here from Wiktionary. Thanks again for performing such a great service in the community! --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Addedndum: It looks as though you're still rather new here, so feel free to ask questions as they arise. I come and go from the project as life intervenes, but expect to be around quite a bit over the next two months, at least. I also recommend trying to participate in the Proofread of the Month (PotM), which will always be linked from the Main Page. I learned a lot of what I know about Wikisource by helping out there and by watching other editors work on things I didn't know how to do. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

You are very welcome! I was an English and American Literature major in college (many years ago). While I wrote my thesis on Tom Jones, I studied under John Bullitt, who was at that time one of the world's experts on Jonathan Swift. I figure that this is my way of paying homage to my professor, as well as to the good Dean. :-)

I've had a lot of help from a couple of the other editors here, and boy, did I need help. Now, I'm finding that the editing goes much faster -- at least until Swift throws in Latin or French, which I must take one letter at a time. But I am truly enjoying this experience, as well as learning more about Swift and the various subjects of his letters as I go! Susanarb (talk) 21:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Ha! It was Tom Jones in particular that brought me here, as I point out on my talk page. One of my slated projects for this summer is learning enough about the Internet Archives document processing to get all parts of the first edition available through them (with help from people who know how to do this). I have an annotated edition of Tom Jones that I've worked on here sporadically, as I find that I prefer to add links and explanations as I go along. It was really surprising when I first came here that the wasn't even an author page for Fielding, and none of his works had been put up here.
I am a fair hand at Latin, if you need a bit of help, and for a time was the leading contributor of Latin entries at Wiktionary. I don't work there as much these days, in part because the Latin is so much further along than when I started that making a significant contribution is much harder to do until the English and Latin Wikisource catch up, since the primary thing lacking in their Latin entries now is quotations. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:13, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Your questionsEdit

Quoting your mail: "Hello! I'm new to Wikisource, and am still learning. Can you please tell me why you moved the {{smallrefs}} to the footer in this page:,_Volume_13.djvu/190&action=edit

I've been learning mostly from the Help pages, and the one on Footers says that the {{smallrefs}} can go in the mainspace at the end, or in the footer. So I choose the mainspace, as it was listed first. If there's a necessary reason to move it to the footer, why does the Help page give an option? Do I need to move the many, many instances of {{smallrefs}} in the pages I've done?

You are working in the Page:ns . You can tell it by looking at the page name you edited, where you can see it is called Page:The_Works_of_the_Rev._Jonathan_Swift,_Volume_13.djvu/190. You did not chose the mainspace, you actually chose the "Page body (to be transcluded):" in you page in the Page namespace (look at your page in edit mode and how the different areas are called. It is not the same thing.
The following might sound a bit convoluted, until you familiarize with namespaces (see Help:Namespaces for details about namespaces) and transclusion process (see the post above User_talk:Susanarb#Transclusion_example).
When the page is transcluded from Page ns to Main ns, only the Page body is transcluded and not the header or footer (it is the same reason why you put the continuation word in the footer and not in the body). If you put {{smallrefs}} in the body, transcluding several pages at one time in the Main ns, it will result in text interleaved with references. The solution is to put {{smallrefs}} in the footer of the Page ns to render the page properly and only once {{smallrefs}} in the Main ns.
If you notice, in the post above, BWC has done the same thing: in the Page ns, and then he added the smallrefs in the Main namespace as well: The_Works_of_Rev._Jonathan_Swift/Volume_13/From_Mr._Gay_and_the_duchess_of_Queensberry, according to the help page: At the bottom of the page in the main namespace, immediately after the transcluded text and before the categories and other footer items.

Also, I visited your User page to send the message there, but couldn't find a Talk place. Where should I look for it?"

To leave a message in a Talk page, go to the Tab "Discussion" in the upper left, beside "User page"
I hope I could explain myself, otherwise just scream :-) and myself or someone else will answer again.--Mpaa (talk) 21:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll go fix the footnotes now! Susanarb (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

No need. I worked out the volume already.--Mpaa (talk) 22:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The whole volume? How did you do that before the pages have been validated? Susanarb (talk) 22:07, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

There is no need to validate pages before doing additional changes to a Proofread page. I made the changes, leaving the pages in "Proofread" status. Making a change and validating do not necessarily go together, and Validation is not the first mandatory action once a page is in Proofread status.
BTW, I also fixed some of the RunningHeader at the same time. As those are already in the header, you do not need to change them. Those who will validate the page will most likely fix it.
Fixing references was a higher prio task, as it was disturbing transclusion. Fixing RunningHeader has no impact on transclusion, so it can wait until someone will validate the page. Of course, if you feel like you can fix it, no one will stop you but is not high prio. Better invest your time in prooreading new pages instead.--Mpaa (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

That makes sense. I have started in on Volume 1 -- I only started with Volume 13 because it came up as a Random Transcription selection, so I stayed there. What kind of things did you fix on the RunningHeaders? I use those constantly, so if I'm doing them wrong, I'd like to know. Susanarb (talk) 22:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I was just applying the same corrections you were applying, e.g. this.
While I am here. When the following page starts with a new paragraph, you should put a {{nop}} at the end of a page. So when we transclude the pages, we do not lose the paragraph break. See e.g. what I did here: I inserted a nop here Page:The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift, Volume 13.djvu/95, as the following page Page:The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift, Volume 13.djvu/96 is starting with a new paragraph.--Mpaa (talk) 22:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again! And I had noticed your NOP addition, read about it, and have started using it as I should have. I'm going to start fixing all of my pages in Volume 13 again. I'm glad that I can concentrate (at least for now) on the proofreading stage, and let you and others worry about the validation and transclusion (assuming that I do my pages right in the first place!). Susanarb (talk) 22:40, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I think you need to start thinking also on how to transclude the pages. Look at the post from BWC. You might need to insert section tags in pages to allow a structured transclusion.--Mpaa (talk) 07:27, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

No Running Headers or Page NumbersEdit

Beeswaxcandle, I have posted several "alerts" on this that show on the watchlist. Have we ceased using running headers and page numbers in the proofreading boxes?

Respectfully, —Maury (talk) 04:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Did this message end up where you intended? If you meant it for me, I'm not sure what you want to tell me. The link you included is not a page I had touched before.

Susanarb (talk) 04:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Nope. —Maury (talk) 04:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Swift volume 1Edit


Great work on the Swift volumes! If you're interested, I transcluded the first volume into the mainspace at The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift/Volume 1.

Hesperian 06:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Cool! I've also finished volumes 2 and 13, and I'm nearly done with volume 6! I had found volume 13 by choosing the Random Transcription, and then went back to the beginning. Then I couldn't wait to get to Gulliver's Travels, which is why I skipped over 3 through 5. I'll go back for those in the next few days. Thanks for your help and encouragement! Susan Susanarb (talk) 06:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Over the next week or so I will sort out the one or two problematic pages that you've left behind, and transclude the others. It was me who uploaded these Swift volumes, mainly from the intention of proofing Gulliver's Travels, but then I got distracted by Henry James. I am very happy knowing that someone else has taken it on. Hesperian 06:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Oh! If you want them back, let me know, and I'll find another work! Susanarb (talk) 14:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha, not a chance! Hesperian 16:09, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Transcluding SwiftEdit

Questions! Questions! Questions!

I first started this in the User talk page for Beeswaxcandle (who has already answered many questions about Swift for me), but it was just getting too long, so I moved it here. "You" below refers to Beeswaxcandle, in case someone else is reading this!

I've decided to finally tackle transcluding the letters of Jonathan Swift. You have started the index of Volume 13 for me:,_Volume_13.djvu/7&action=edit. Thank you once again for that. So now I'm following your example, but it doesn't answer all of my questions. I've tried looking at how letters from other authors were indexed, but they are not consistent enough for me to want to follow those examples. So, here are my questions:
1. There are a number of letters in the index with the same name. For example, there is more than one "From miss Kelly." I'm guessing that I need to make each one unique, but I'm not sure how. I can add the date, which makes a lot of sense, but there are three places in the TOC codes where the name of the letter appears. Do I add the date to the first, second, or third name of the letter?
2. About half of the letters are from other people to Jonathan Swift. How do I add their names as author to the TOC? Or would it just go in the body of the letter, as I did in following the transclusion example for the Austen work, Pride and Prejudice?
3. Speaking of Pride and Prejudice, someone added coding for recordings of the chapters. However, most of the links do not work. Should I just leave them there, trusting that someone will add the recordings some day?
4. Back to Swift: The index for each volume of letters covers several pages. What do I have to do to combine the index into one complete index?
5. Once I have the TOC done, I'll need open each letter's transclusion page to make sure that the letter appears there. May I follow the example of Pride and Prejudice to complete the new page for each letter? That would give a place for the author.
6. In one of your earlier answers, I asked about typos, and you said to use SIC, and I usually have. However, two of the letters in volume 11 spelled Swift as Swiet in the title of the letter. I was afraid that if someone else transcluded those, they would invent a new author for Swiet, so I changed those to Swift. Should I change them back?
7. Some time ago, you completed the section markings for the first letter in volume 13. I want to go through all of the letters to add the section markings, but I want to clarify: does the title between the pound signs need to be identical to the title used in the index? I'm assuming so, which makes it even more critical that I give each a unique name, right?
8. A few of the letters have an author's name in the title, but footnotes or other letters make it clear that the author of the letter was Swift instead. How do I indicate this? I guess the real question is whether I need to stick to the name given to each letter by the editor of the volume, or use a name that is more fitting? Would it help if I identify such a letter and ask you to fix it for me?

So this was a lot of questions. Compared to learning how to transclude, proofreading is simple. But I'm determined to learn it properly!

Susan Susanarb (talk) 23:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Never worry about asking too many questions. It's the people who don't ask any that worry me.
First a general answer: When you first started working on Volume 13 I checked with Hesperian what his thinking was with respect to transclusion of the letter volumes as I knew we would reach this point at some time. What would be best is to transclude each volume separately (rather than run all the letters volumes together). So, The Works of Jonathan Swift/Volume 13/From Mr. Gay and the duchess of Queensberry will be the first letter in Volume 13.
Now for the specific questions.
  1. Disambiguate multiple letters by adding the date in parentheses after the name. E.g. ../From Mr. Gay and the duchess of Queensberry (25 July, 1754) (I just made that one up).
  2. The author links aren't needed in the TOC. We'll put those in the header field in the mainspace.
  3. Hmm. I'm not sure about this as I haven't been working in the sound files area. I'll ask one of the editors who has done quite a bit of work with .ogg files to have a look.
  4. We won't combine the TOC or Index pages from the different volumes into one page in the way you're thinking of. We'll actually transclude the TOCs from each volume onto the main subpage for the volume. Then above that there will be the mainspace page that will have all the volume links.
  5. Just so.
  6. I would change them back and use SIC. We'll use the right author link in the mainspace header.
  7. The section names are best kept short. As each letter is being transcluded to its own subpage, as long as the section names make sense to you then you can use what you like. One possibility would be "From Gay1", "From Gay2", &c.
  8. Stick to the editorial decisions, but use the notes field in the header template on the mainspace to indicate the issues.
Now, have a go. You can't break anything and can always "undo" edits or ask me or another admin to delete a page so that you can start again. Have fun, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 02:09, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


Hi Susan,

I suppose by now you've noticed that a lot of your proofreading involves applying the same tedious operations to every page: removing spurious line breaks and spaces, unhyphenating words, and so on.

Many of us have installed scripts that do all this for us. With a single click, I can clean up a page, leaving me free to focus on 'real' proofreading. It's a huge productivity boost, and those of us that use it can't work without it.

If you're interested, I can get you started.

Hesperian 02:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've installed a script. Next time you go to create a page, you should see a "Scripts" menu in your sidebar underneath the "Languages" menu (if you don't see it, you might need to shift-reload the page the first time to clear your cache). "Clean up" does a bunch of basic stuff as mentioned above. "Clean up (poem)" does the same but preserves line breaks so is much better when working with poems. Have a play, confirm it is working, let me know if you're happy with it, and then we can see what other scripts you'd like. Hesperian 23:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I've used it a couple of times, and think it will save some time. Susan Susanarb (talk) 23:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
It was installed by editing User:Susanarb/common.js. Any time you want to remove it, just blank that page.
Shout out if you want any of these:
  • Highlight text and type Alt-T (or Alt-Shift-T if you're using Firefox) to turn it into a title link e.g. "THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER" becomes "[[The Man from Snowy River|THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER]]
  • Highlight text and type Alt-A to turn it into an author link e.g. "Jane Austen" becomes "[[Author:Jane Austen|Jane Austen]]", "Austen, Jane" becomes "[[Author:Jane Austen|Austen, Jane]]", "JANE AUSTEN" becomes "[[Author:Jane Austen|JANE AUSTEN]]".
  • Highlight text and type Alt-C to turn it into small-caps e.g. "THIS" becomes "{{small-caps|This}}".
  • Script for quick adding hyphenated word start and end templates e.g. "prod-" at the end of the page becomes "{{hyphenated word start|prod|prod…}}" so all you have to do is replace the "…" with the word ending.
  • Quick diacritics: to turn an "a" into an "ä", position the cursor immediately after it and press "Alt-:". Works for acutes ('), graves (`), diareses (:), circumflexes (^) and ligatures (-).
Alternatively, you can poke around in other peoples' common.js files and steal the bits you like.
Hesperian 23:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

OOOH! Yes! I haven't done enough transclusion yet to have needed the title and author scripts, but the others I do, especially when I'm working with Swift and his fondness for Latin and French. Thank you again -- Please give me all of those! Susan Susanarb (talk) 23:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Done. And I took the liberty of adding makeref too, which I forgot to offer you. As you work your way through the page, when you come to a reference, simply type "<ref></ref>", and carry on with your proofing. When you get to the bottom of the page and reach the reference text, highlight it and click "makeref", and it will move the highlighted text inside the empty reference. It saves you having to manually move text around when you are working with texts that have a lot of references.
To remove any of these scripts, find the relevant line (near the bottom of the page) that says "regexTool" or "regexToolWithShortcut", and delete it. Hesperian 02:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Susan Susanarb (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Good to see you getting your hands dirty in your js file. But that last edit of yours won't do anything. If you were trying to move the image reload button up within your sidebar menu, you need to find the line that says

regexTool('reload', 'reload_page_image()');

and move it up above other such lines within the function rmflinks().

Hesperian 02:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I had wondered why it didn't work, and was going to ask you to fix it for me. But I decided that your directions were probably clearer than I thought, and decided not to be so scared about it. I've made the change, and Reload is now higer on the page. Thank you again! Susan Susanarb (talk) 03:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for validating Index:Library of Congress Classification Outline.djvu. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 13:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

A better way to deal with number spacesEdit

Hi Susan, I've just discovered {{phantom}}, which is designed to deal with the issue we were having with digits not lining up. It's a much more elegant way of dealing with this than my arcane character. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 22:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I'll try it soon -- many thanks! Susan Susanarb (talk) 23:13, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Think that an n-space (&ensp;) will do the same thing. — billinghurst sDrewth 02:09, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Work on Swift is amazingEdit

It's been almost a year since I last told you how wonderful it is you're going through the works of Swift to get them on Wikisource. Your tenaciousness and dedication to the task are inspiring, and your work is very much appreciated. Thanks again! --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

It's a year tomorrow, in fact, since you joined us. Susan, I wonder if you're aware that in the space of one year you are already in our top twenty most prolific editors ever.[1] Thanks for all your efforts. Petey put it best: your tenaciousness and dedication really are inspiring. Hesperian 03:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank both of you, EncycloPetey and Hesperian! Wikisource has actually saved my sanity. I was laid off from my job after 23 years, and found only part-time jobs that I enjoyed doing. I was quite bored with video games, and one can only search the Internet for so long. Fortunately, I was searching on Wikipedia one day, and found the sister sites -- something I did not know existed. I was intrigued by the Random Transcription site, and when I clicked, I found Swift -- first try! My favorite professor in college was a Swift expert, so I believe it was a sign. But don't worry that I'll leave when I'm done with the Swift work -- I've already found a Twain book to transcribe, and will search for more of my favorites when that's done. Susanarb (talk) 14:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
That's interesting, I was in a similar situation nearly ten years ago, and Wikipedia saved my sanity. Hesperian 00:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Automated import of openly licensed scholarly articlesEdit

Hello susanarb,

We are putting together a proposal about the automated import of openly licensed scholarly articles, and since you are an active Wikisourceror, we'd appreciate yourcomments on the Scriptorium. For convenience, I'm copying our proposal here:

The idea of systematically importing openly licensed scholarly articles into Wikisource has popped up from time to time. For instance, it formed the core of WikiProject Academic Papers and is mentioned in the Wikisource vision. However, the Wikiproject relied on human power, never reached its full potential, and eventually became inactive. The vision has yet to materialise.
We plan to bridge the gap through automation. We are a subset of WikiProject Open Access (user:Daniel Mietchen, user:Maximilanklein, user:MattSenate), and we have funding from the Open Society Foundations via Wikimedia Deutschland to demo suitable workflows at Wikimania (see project page).
Specifically, we plan to import Open Access journal articles into Wikisource when they are cited on Wikipedia. The import would be performed by a group of bots intended to make reference handling more interoperable across Wikimedia sites. Their main tasks are:
  • (on Wikipedia) signalling which references are openly licensed, and link them to the full text on Wikisource, the media on Commons and the metadata on Wikidata;
  • (on Commons) importing images and other media associated with the source article;
  • (on Wikisource) importing the full text of the source article and embedding the media in there;
  • (on Wikidata) handling the metadata associated with the source article, and signalling that the full text is on Wikisource and the media on Commons.
These Open Access imports on Wikisource will be linked to and from other Wikimedia sister sites. Our first priority though will be linking from English Wikipedia, focusing on the most cited Open Access papers, and the top-100 medical articles.
In order to move forward with this, we need
  • General community approval
  • Community feedback on workflows and scrutiny on our test imports in specific.
  • Bot permission. For more technical information read our bot spec on Github.

Maximilianklein (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Some duplicates to sort outEdit


Looking at Special:WhatLinksHere/Page:The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift, Volume 13.djvu/13 we have the page transcluded three times to similarly named pages. Would you be able to work out which two are redundant and please mark them with {{sdelete}}. There may be other pages in that space that may also be replicated, and you may wish to start atSpecial:PrefixIndex/The Works of the Rev and see what else we accidentally duplicated.


Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for catching those. I've deleted the ones that were truly duplicates. I'm sorry to say that you will probably find more redundant pages. There was a period of time when I was figuring out transclusion before I learned about the Delete code. I have not deleted any of the compilations on my user page, as I'm using those so I can quickly find spots to create more links: there are many, many references in the volumes to other works within the volumes. I'll delete the compilations as soon as I'm done adding all of the links. I have 3 more volumes to proofread, then I have two major projects: (1) add links to all of the works that I proofread before I learned about the links (and those links to works that hadn't been created yet); and (2) make sure every work within the 19 volumes is properly represented on the author pages. I'll get there! Susan Susanarb (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for that. It is a situation of "these things happen" and not a particular worry, just something to tidy up, or to note in the meanwhile. There are tools that help us to identify some of these things. We'll get there.  billinghurst sDrewth 06:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Dickens (after Swift)Edit

Index:Works of Charles Dickens, ed. Lang - Volume 1.djvu and 33 volumes following? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Have I been identified as a masochist now that I'm through with most of the volumes of Swift?!?! I need a break from serious stuff, so I'll probably work on Mark Twain for a while. Dickens was never a favorite of mine (although I still have a fondness for Dombey and Son, of all things), so I may find excuses to work on other things before turning to Dickens. Although, now that I think of it, it would be good for me to read all of the Dickens novels I was supposed to read in college, and never quite finished. Maybe this time, I'll get more out of them! Susan Susanarb (talk) 23:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
That reasoning sounds familiar! I never finished them when I was younger. However, this edition has too much extra apparatus for my liking and I think we should make an initial go at dealing with Dickens in the earliest editions we can find (preferably first editions, although at the time I did Great Expectations I couldn't find a first). Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
I'd be up for collaborating on sourcing Little Dorrit, after I finish the two books I'm currently doing (probably two weeks or so). But I share Susanarb's sentiments: Dickens isn't my favorite, so one of his novels would be too much for me to go it alone. I certainly wouldn't care to tackle more than one. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion requestsEdit

Hi Susan, I note that the letters you've asked to be speedied still have active links to them. Could you please change them to the new title? You can find the links by clicking on "what links here" in the tools section on the left hand side of the screen. Once you've done that, we can delete them. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

I’m almost done renumbering letters from Thomas Sheridan to Jonathan Swift. There were letters in both volume 13 and 18, and for some reason, by the time I got to volume 18, I thought they were different people, father and son. But they aren’t, they were all written by the father. So I was about to transfer them all to the father’s author page, when I realized that both sets of letters started with #1. That isn’t a problem for the programming, as the names include the volume. However, it could be very confusing for readers. So I decided to renumber them all in chronological order (as most of the other letters are arranged). I’ve just finished renumbering everything, and will fix the author pages in a minute. Within the next hour, you should find that there will be no links to the deleted versions of the letters. I hope. Please let me know if some still appear! Susan Susanarb (talk) 18:49, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
I’m done now. All of the letters have been moved to the father’s author page, the indexes are fixed, and the "next" and "previous" references are changed to the new numbers. I hope that you will now find that there are no links to the pages set for deletion. Susan Susanarb (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
What do you want to do about the links in the Volume 19 Index? Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I’m going back through all of the volumes to insert the anchors needed to make the Index links work. I had forgotten that I’d already added the links to the letters. I’ll fix them right away. You can delete them any time. Susan Susanarb (talk) 19:30, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
All done Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header templateEdit

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)



You popped into my head this morning and I thought I hadn't heard from you or seen you around in ages and ages, and maybe you'd left the project and I hadn't even noticed. I was very glad to check your contributions and see you still active.

Evidently you're not one of those people who need social contact to sustain them in their endeavours... but I'd like to say howdy all the same. :-)

Hesperian 00:15, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

It’s very good to hear from you! Both you and Beeswaxcandle helped me so much to figure out the subtleties of this program, I am very grateful. But, I was also feeling bad that I was taking up so much of your time, so I decided to give you both a break.
I am now working through the Swift volumes for the second time. My main purpose is to insert anchors for the index that I found at the end of the 19th volume. Although it shouldn't have been, it was a big shock to see an index there, and realize that I had no choice but to revisit nearly every page that I’d just finished. But it turned out to be a blessing, as my second purpose is now to fix all of the links that I’d put in the first time around that were not as good as the links I’ve figured out along the way. As much as I know now about Jonathan Swift and life in the early 18th century in Great Britain, it's interesting how many gaps there are. There are many letters that are mentioned but not present, important people who don't have mentions in Wikipedia, and knowledge that these people had that they took with them to the grave.
Anyway, I’ve finished 6 of the 19 volumes (I’m not going in order), and find that adding links is almost slower than proofreading. I hope to finish the last volume, with the behemoth index, by the end of the year. Then I’ll move on to something else!
Susan Susanarb (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Updating scriptsEdit

Hello Susanarb. I'm migrating everyone with proofreading tools to the community version on Wikisource:TemplateScript. This centralises development (so everyone benefits from maintenance and new features), and the community version adds a Special:TemplateScript page to configure your scripts. You have a custom version in your common.js, with some tools that aren't in the community version. Do you use all the tools that appear in the "TemplateScript" sidebar? Maybe the most useful ones could be added to the community version too. If you don't use some of them, that simplifies the migration. —Pathoschild 00:53, 01 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you. I haven't used any of the scripts for a while, as I've been going back over pages that I’ve already read to add links to the index of the 19 volumes of the works of Jonathan Swift. Some day, though, I hope to go back to regular proofreading, and will need the scripts again. I didn't develop any of the scripts myself -- that's way beyond my capabilities. I got all of them from another -- I want to say that Hesperian gave them to me. When I am proofreading, I do use most of them, and some of them are extremely useful. If you really want a list, please let me know, and I’ll give you one. Susan Susanarb (talk) 03:20, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
I moved most of the scripts into a new library (Wikisource:TemplateScript#Typography), and switched you to the community versions where they exist. You should see two new sidebars (Page tools and Typography), which are the community scripts configurable via Special:TemplateScript. That only leaves these scripts in your common.js: hws, hwe, center, right, SIC [?], uc, and author (surname first). Do you use all of those? —Pathoschild 05:15, 02 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I have used all of those scripts at times, but I usually just type the codes anymore, with the exception of hws and hwe. I checked my messages, and it was Hesperian who gave these all to me. He (she?) may be able to give you more info on those and other scripts that should be added to the community library. Susan Susanarb (talk) 05:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Multiple gapsEdit

Tip: Instead of {{gap}}{{gap}}{{gap}}, you can use {{gap|6em}}. The default wdith for the {{gap}} template is 2em, but if you set a width value in the template, you can set that width to whatever value you like. I've made that change crudely at Page:The Works of the Rev. Jonathan Swift, Volume 2.djvu/108. You may wish to adjust the basic width values. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!

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I’m finished with the Swift 19-volume set. Over the last 5 years (my anniversary was two days ago) I have touched each of the 8600 pages at least twice, and many of them several times, as I learned how to create legible text out of codes. While I learned a lot from the Wikisource Help pages, I couldn’t have completed the volumes without the help of Greek and Latin experts, someone who created a beautiful piece of sheet music (at the end of volume 16), and several (many?) persons who helped with columns and margins and other fancy page layouts. My biggest thanks, though, are reserved for Beeswaxcandle (talk), Hesperian, billinghurst sDrewth, —Maury (talk), and EncycloPetey (talk) – all of you have been incredible with your help and encouragement!

I’m not sure what I’ll tackle next. It may be something fun (are any of Mark Twain’s works waiting?) or other early 18th century works (I might as well continue to use the huge data base of links to people and works of the era). For today, though, I am sending Swift out to the future, hoping that people will once again remember him for more than Gulliver.
Susanarb (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

After 19 volumes of Swift...Edit

You asked for potential future projects.

What about Swift's contemporaries? (being Thackeray's English humorists of the eighteenth century) seems to list several.

As for Mark Twain, an Authorized Edition is mentioned here Author:Mark_Twain/Authorized_Edition which with the exception of one volume (still in copyright) may be something to consider if a scan-set exists. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

If you do choose to tackle Twain, it would be a great help. He's one of the most important (and best) American writers for whom we do not have as much as we should. --EncycloPetey (talk) 14:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm not set up for the scanning, but I would love to work on Twain if someone else can scan it!
Susanarb (talk) 17:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:new texts and whatever is nextEdit

This time you added the one entry for all those completed volumes, and IMNSHO it was deserving of an entry for each work. From hereon, can I encourage you to add each completed work. Even if a volume contains multiple works, it is quite legitimate to add each work, and not just the volume. It keeps the front page active, and enables users to see what is coming online. :-) 04:53, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikisource:Works/2018 is an example of what we have done with new texts for this year. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:55, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

More Swift?Edit

A suggested WS:PotM for August 2019, The Lives of the Most Eminent English Poets, has a section on Swift in the third volume. As I’ve noticed that you have a great interest in his writings, would you mind proofreading that section of the book? It would also be helpful, if you wouldn’t mind, to proofread more of the volumes. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:24, 9 January 2019 (UTC).


Hi, I was perusing my Watchlist and came across a page of Philosophical Review, which was among my first efforts on WS, that you validated. I had to check, but if you look at Point 6 it says to remove spaces from around dashes. So I will revert those changes. I hope you are enjoying Phil. Review. Cheers, Zoeannl (talk) 09:20, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry. I've stopped. Stopped everything. It's been fun. Susanarb (talk) 21:28, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

contributor field in header templateEdit

Hi. In something like The Philosophical Review/Volume 1/Review: Troglodyte - Riddles of the Sphinx we would normally look to utilise the contributor field rather than the author field. This usage puts the author display at the level of the subpart of the work, rather than at the work level. I will try to remember to dig through this work and get a bot to do some replacements, I am pretty certain that I have a regex script to do it somewhere. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I learned (see the message above yours) that I haven’t been following the rules, and I have stopped working on Wikisource. It's been great fun, and I didn't mean to mess things up. Sorry about that. Susanarb (talk) 01:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Meh! No need to stop. We all haven't been pristine, and we won't all be pristine. Shared space where we work together and assist each other in generating works and improving the site. Even someone as experienced as myself will occasionally fail in repetitious activities or uniformity, so I wouldn't fuss it in that regard. — billinghurst sDrewth 08:12, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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