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Please help start a list of text that need to be proofread. Larger text are preferred because we hope to have a large group of people working on the text of the month. Here is a great place to start looking for text to be proofread.

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A list of potential PotM candidatesEdit

On the transcription project, there is a good list of text that are ready to be proofread. That list is available here. This list continues to grow so it would be great if we could knock it down. --Mattwj2002 11:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My person opinion, If people keep bringing in projects (and I have seen it) then they should do a good part of the editing. Some, whoever they are, bring in works for others to do and the work-load adds up. Too, if the texts are brought in and left for others, then others may not like the topic so the work load keeps building up. It would be nice to know [who] likes what to work on. *I* like history and specifically illustrated history* but not children’s books or poems. I have several more volumes to do and more I want to do after that. This way I work on what I brought in, or have another bring in because he/they like the same kind of work. --Maury (talk) 01:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Calendar 2020Edit

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Month Work Category Status
January Index:Hand-book on cheese making.djvu
Index:A Few Plain Observations Upon the End and Means of Political Reform.djvu
Index:The Real Cause of the High Price of Gold Bullion.djvu
Index:A Contribution to the Pathology of Phlegmasia Dolens.djvu
Index:A Short Account of the Botany of Poole.djvu
Index:Description of the Abattoirs of Paris.djvu
Index:On the Application of Sewage in Agriculture.djvu
Index:The Art of Modeling Flowers in Wax.djvu
Index:Fur and the Fur Trade.djvu
Index:Evisceration.djvu
Index:A Treatise on Medical Astrology.djvu
Index:Unlawfulmarriage00jane.djvu
Index:Book of record of the time capsule of cupaloy (New York World's fair, 1939).djvu
Index:William Blake in his relation to Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1911).djvu
Quirky   completed
February Fine arts
March Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month / Woman author
April Poetry / Drama
May Geography (North Africa?)
June Fiction: Novel
July Anthropology, Mythology, or Religion
August Biography
September Science/Technology
October Fiction (SF/Fantastical/etc.)
November Language
December Fiction: Short story collections


I propose that all, or at the least, a large number of the works that are completed for PotM are works with scans not uploaded as part of PotM. The scan (Index:) system was created with the intent to reduce the number of abandoned works, works either unfinished or poorly done, in the main-space. However, this has created a new problem: a large number of abandoned indexes, with little to no work completed, remain forgotten in the Index namespace. There are already a large number of indexes listed on this page, and from links from this page, that would amicably fit with the requirements for PotM, and I suggest that we use some of the lists on this page to select works for proofreading.

January 2020Edit

Any idea on what we're going to do for January? --Belle Sans Merci (talk) 01:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
If you have a suggestion, now is the time to make it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I doubt my opinion matters, but The Placenta of a Lemur meets the standards of "quirky". And short! Lemuritus (purr or yap back) 02:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
We could also do Hand-book on cheese making (transcription project). That one was suggested for last January, but wasn't chosen, and I uploaded and started it in the intervening months. DraconicDark (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Support doing both suggested relatively short works, in the order stated (Lemur, then Cheese making). I only regret that we can not combine them into a single work titled Hand-book on the Placenta of a cheese making Lemur. BD2412 T 05:40, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • As I believe that there should be many works completed in January, I have made the following list of some potential works. Do not worry about the existence of a .djvu scan, as I can create one myself, and upload it to Commons.
  1. “A Few Plain Observations upon the Ends and Means, &c.” 48 pp. (transcription project)
  2. “The Real Cause of the High Price of Gold Bullion.” (Edward Cooke) 55 pp. (transcription project)
  3. “A Contribution to the Pathology of Phlegmasia dolens,” by Robert Lee. 24 pp. (transcription project)
  4. “A Short Account of the Botany of Poole,” by Thomas Bell Salter. 27 pp. (transcription project)
  5. “Description of the Abattoirs of Paris,” by Richard Boxall Grantham. 18 pp. (transcription project)
  6. “On the Application of Sewage in Agriculture,” by E. Haughton. 6 pp. (transcription project)
  7. “The Art of Modeling Flowers in Wax,” by George Worgan. 39 pp. (transcription project)
  8. “Fur and the Fur Trade,” by M. M. Backus. 13 pp. (transcription project)
  9. “Evisceration,” by A. E. Prince. 8 pp. (transcription project)
  10. “A Treatise on Medical Astrology,” by F. R. White et al. 70 pp. (transcription project)
  • The indexes for the above works have been created (the first one should be completed soon); proofreading can begin at any time. As the current work is already proofread, any of these works may be viewed as a part of the project; the templates will be updated once each work has completed validation. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:47, 1 January 2020 (UTC).
    • The proofreading finished, and the validation stalled, for the initial work, the ten works here listed shall be selected, in order. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2020 (UTC).
  • I support the "Lemur" book, and the seventh work above. Orlando the Cat (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • While “The Placenta of the Lemur” does seem interesting, I am worried about the large number of figures; past experience has shown reluctance to complete works that contain a large number of images. If User:Lemuritus can supply these images, or has them already produced, the work would be more acceptable. In addition, the plates mentioned at the end of the scan given would have to be sourced from a scan of the complete work, following which the plates must be attached to the existing scan. I would attempt to do this, if User:Lemuritus can display the images already mentioned. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 16:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC).
  • As there have been no objections raised to any of my suggested works, I will now convert them into .djvu files. If User:Lemuritus can positively respond before the month’s end, I will attempt to create “The Placenta of the Lemur” as a combined .djvu file. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:50, 30 December 2019 (UTC).
To be honest, I didn't even really look into the work, and my 256mb RAM severely crimps my ability to do much - even proofreading pages is quite intensive for my computer - so we can skip that one. Uploading is beyond my capabilities. On the other hand, is only two pages, two pages and four pages :) Lemuritus (talk) 02:32, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
I agree with User:TE(æ)A,ea.; my support for the "Lemur" book, too, is withdrawn (many apologies to the lemur-fans here involved!). Orlando the Cat (talk) 05:36, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
  • As we are nearing completion of the list of suggested works, and there is still time left in January, let me suggest another work; looking through the Index-Not Proofread category, I found Unlawful Marriage (transcription project) by J.J. Janeway, which seems to fit this month's category. DraconicDark (talk) 23:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
I also found Wound infections and some new methods for the study of the various factors which come into consideration in their treatment (transcription project) as another suggestion. If these two suggestions aren't done this year, we could maybe consider them for next year. DraconicDark (talk) 00:04, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Looking back, I didn't put the Prussian Army suggestion in because it has multiple tables and side-notes. So, I would recommend caution with respect to selecting it. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 05:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

February 2020Edit

For February, I suggest A History of Wood-Engraving (transcription project). The only objection raised to it last February was that there was no DjVU, and now one exists. DraconicDark (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Note: the DjVu exists, but there does not seem to be a text layer. If someone can run a bot to create OCR starter pages, then this could be a good choice. But without a text layer, we will have difficulty getting the work started. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:18, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
The .pdf scan hosted on the Internet Archive Web-site has a high-quality text layer extant; it could manually transferred to the corrupted .djvu file we have. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC).
djvu text layer added and uploaded to Commons. Moondyne (talk) 02:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
A spot check verifies the text layer is present and showing up in the correct pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Of the suggestions from last February which were actionable but upon which no action was taken, I prefer A History of Japanese Colour-Prints (external scan). The issue regarding the scan file can be readily resolved. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC).
    One problem with the Japanese prints book is that it contains Japanese characters. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Nominated last year: The Arts and Crafts of Ancient Egypt, 2nd ed., 1910 by W. M. F. Petrie (external scan) The downsides of this one are (a) lots of black-and-white photo prints that will need to be done (but on specific plate pages), and (b) the list of illustrations pages will be a multi-page table. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

March 2020Edit

For March, I suggest Felix Holt (Commons file (multiple parts): Part 1, Part 2, Part 3) by George Eliot. Again, we didn't do this one last time. DraconicDark (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

April 2020Edit

For April, I suggest Chicago Poems (transcription project) by Carl Sandburg. DraconicDark (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Since "Chicago Poems" looks like a very short work, I suggest "The Ballads of Marko Kraljević" (transcription project) as a second work for the month. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:23, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I support this. Orlando the Cat (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
I would suggest Armenian Legends and Poems (transcription project) by Zabelle C. Boyajian; it has hardly been touched since its being uploaded in 2018. Plus, the poems/legends were compiled by a woman author. Orlando the Cat (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
We could also try Picture-Show by Siegfried Sassoon (external scan), which was, according to Wikipedia's list of literary events of 1920, first published a hundred years ago. Orlando the Cat (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Thee is also Index:Twilight Hours (1868).djvu, by Sarah Williams. We have only one of her poems right now. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I would support starting with Chicago Poems, then going to Armenian Legends and Poems, then the rest in order if time allows. BD2412 T 02:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

May 2020Edit

In May, we could do The Geography of Strabo (Volume 1 (transcription project), Volume 2 (transcription project), Volume 3 (external scan)). We don't currently have any of Strabo's work, which is among the earliest examples of geography I know of. DraconicDark (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Another thought: since the ban on Wikipedia in Turkey has now been lifted, perhaps we could find a cultural or archaeological work based on that region? Portal:Turkey has very little content. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
If that's our justification, why not something about the Republic of Turkey, instead of the archaeological period?
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001861422 has Turkey, by Arnold J. Toynbee and Kenneth P. Kirkwood; Toynbee is apparently on the outs of academic historians, but is still a big name. It has the 1924 Constitution in the appendix. The problem is, I doubt HathiTrust's copyright clearing on this; between Toynbee being British, and the number of attributions for reuse that need their own rechecking, I'd be hard for me to be really comfortable that it's PD. The English translation of the 1924 Turkish Constitution is from Political Science Quarterly, which apparently didn't renew, so that's probably clear.
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.82592 is the Rebirth of History, by Clair Prince. It's 1923, so clearly PD, it has a decent scan on Archive.org (don't be confused by there being two, they seem to be the same) and a lousy Google scan on HathiTrust, and it's got a lot of detail about Mustafa Kemal Pasha, the father of the Turkish Republic.
Hathitrust has a couple books from the 1940s, but if we're dotting our i's (a bad phrase in the realm of Turkish) and crossing our t's on copyright, I'd wonder about non-renewal/URAA issues on maps and photographs, especially as one of those books thanks the Turkish Embassy for those.--Prosfilaes (talk) 06:32, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Toynbee’s work on Turkey is in the public domain for U. S. publication and subsequent non-renewal. I don’t know which 1940s works you reference, but HathiTrust is generally very reliable as regards copyright of works. However, most works that are chosen are in the public domain by age rather than by U. S. non-renewal. Whilst I support Strabo’s work generally, I believe it may be too long due to the apathy of the project. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 15:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

June 2020Edit

For June, I suggest War and Peace (transcription project). Another work suggested before that wasn't done then. DraconicDark (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I cannot believe you have 400,000 works here and not this...it would definitely help the project and I would definitely help proofread. Lemuritus (talk) 18:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I also support this. Orlando the Cat (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

July 2020Edit

If it's not done before July, I suggest Johan Huizinga's The Waning of the Middle Ages, transl. into English in 1924 (external scan). It's newly come into public domain in 2020 and is considered a seminal work on the culture of late medieval Europe. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

August 2020Edit

For August, I suggest A Biographical Dictionary of the Celebrated Women of Every Age and Country (transcription project) by Mary Matilda Betham. DraconicDark (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
This looks like a challenging work. We do tackle some of these in PotM from time to time, but we'd likely need a clear style guide established ahead of time to make this one work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:32, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Last year we got about 20 pages proofread in a similar work for the whole month. It's usually better to go for one or two books that focus on a single individuals. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 06:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey:@Beeswaxcandle: If we're looking for shorter, simpler works to proofread, some of the works in the Eminent Women Series, a past community collaboration, haven't been fully proofread. Perhaps we could choose one or two from that list. What do you think? DraconicDark (talk) 21:16, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

September 2020Edit

In September, we could maybe proofread another issue of Weird Tales, maybe Volume 1, Issue 1 (transcription project) or Volume 1, Issue 2 (transcription project). DraconicDark (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I have previously proposed that we switch some of the themes around, and would propose here that switching September and October themes, and having this as an October theme, would be an ideal outcome. BD2412 T 02:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I see no problems with this proposal, so have swapped the topics over. As someone who happily ignores hallowe'en (having a very steep drive deters the neighbourhood kids from coming to us), I never think of such things for myself. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

October 2020Edit

For October, I suggest either Natural History: Mammalia (external scan) or The aquarium: an unveiling of the wonders of the deep sea (transcription project), both by Philip Henry Gosse. DraconicDark (talk) 03:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
See my comment for September 2020, above. BD2412 T 02:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

November 2020Edit

Can I propose that November, "Language", be specifically a English-language work on a currently-endangered language, or one of the languages that boast(?) the smallest Wikipedia/Wikisource in their language? Might as well kill multiple birds. (Lemurs eat tamarinds, now you know!) Lemuritus (purr or yap) 01:39, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
You can always propose a specific work for the year that meets inclusion guidelines. The best options include a link to a scan somewhere that we can upload, and which has been checked carefully in advance for problems. But we like to keep the most generalized topics for the monthly listings such as "Biography" or "Science". --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:09, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
In a rudimentary walk through the To Be Proofread works for books about less-commonly-taught languages, I've found a couple (along with current speakership from Wikipedia):
I would recommend the first two more than the others because revival attempts are in place for both Cornish and Māori. —Crocojim18 (talk) 20:05, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
"Revival attempt"??? Māori never died, and remains the primary language for sizeable number of New Zealanders. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 08:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for bringing this up. I don't know a lot about Māori and was saying this purely based on this section of the Wikipedia page. Sorry for the mistake. Crocojim18 (talk) 23:58, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The number of native speakers is not, by any means, “sizeable;” it is merely .002 of the population, disregarding the (lest prevalent) diaspora. The revival referred to a rising popularity in the learning of the language, as it is not fluently spoken by many of the tribe. See also the Wikipedia article, Māori language revival. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC).
    • I support all of these works, as they have been already uploaded; however, I oppose the last two, due to the presence of non-Latin scripts used for writings the named languages. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC).

December 2020Edit

The collection Brazilian Tales (1921) contains stories by Machado de Assis (d. 1908) (external scan). He is considered the greatest of Brazilian writers, and we have nothing from him at present. --EncycloPetey (talk) 06:26, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I support this. Orlando the Cat (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
For December, perhaps A Sportsman's Sketches ((external scans (multiple parts): 1, 2); alternatively here and here) by Ivan Turgenev would be good; it wasn't featured for December 2019's Proofread, and this book is especially important for our collection of Russian literature because it was Turgenev's first major work. Orlando the Cat (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Books parked for considerationEdit

Noting the list at the top of the page too
  • Amusements in Mathematics by Henry Ernest Dudeny. In an effort to find some popular public domain publications for inclusion here at WS, I found that the HTML version of this book is the most-downloaded text at the Internet Archive. Plus, someone has already gone to the trouble of extracting and cleaning the images [1]. There is a tiny amount of text cut off on pages 63-64, but the missing letters can be determined from context and from the Archive.org HTML version --Eliyak T·C 22:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Pros:
(a) It's a key work of a great English writer;
(b) Johnson's text will be fun to read;
(c) It will add biographies of several writers.
Cons:
(a) It's in multiple volumes, so we might have to start with just the first one and see what transpires;
(b) There will be many uses of long-s and the like;
(c) We may not be able to get a first edition to work from, and I'm not sure that I could find a complete set of a single edition in IA.

Would a work of this sort ever be a good selection for PotM, and why or why not? --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

  • EncycloPetey, et al, we could take one or more per month not as PoM but as something yet to be finished every month starting with the easiest and shortest texts that are not complicated to work on. For that we should have a different kind of an award, perhaps the only the image of "The Thinker" to be used. I like collecting the awards, it shows achievements as well as the dates show the years we are here working and the icon shows our work - again using only something like "The Thinker. It separates everything from PoM. It is an obvious aside from PoM. Poms are often slow anyhow so that gives us time and the PoM’s often also, well…..I dislike this word but to convey the idea, often SUCK and are boring chosen by a few, so I typically, these days, only do one or a few pages in them. I am working on 9 thick and illustrated volumes of Cassell’s Illustrated London but I would step aside and do pages on "The Thinker" (or any other icon but the same icon to stand out, each time so as not to get it mixed up with PoM. and I would expect an award for working on those extra "abandoned books" books. Something along these lines of thought. Feel free to modify. —Maury (talk) 17:38, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
EncycloPetey, I think the idea of finishing "abandoned books" is a very good idea. I am working on two of them now. If we all did this together we could finish them up quick and add them to our library here. THESE should be "Proofreads of the Month" instead of finding more before we have finished these sitting here.. —Maury (talk) 21:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Maybe creating some sort of WikiProject regarding these abandoned or unfinished texts might be a way to get more attention to them? That project could then be listed as the existing community collaboration. Having said that, I think it might be a good idea. John Carter (talk) 16:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
John Carter (have you met any Terminators yet?) I figure the "abandoned books" have to have an attraction and many people like earning awards - especially "Special Awards", ["build it and they will come";] use that and they will come. —Maury (talk) 17:38, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I think you meant John Connor there. :) Having said that, is there any sort of page indicating the "progress bar" or similar out on the various indexes which have been started to date? Also, maybe, having something on the community portal listing the number of completed indexes might help too. And, of course, like you said, some sort of "award" or w: Wikipedia:Barnstar available for such might be useful. Do we have any such yet here? John Carter (talk) 18:15, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
@John Carter:(gone to Mars yet?) I think this is a great idea. I'd participate even without a reward. Is it started yet(speaking of John Carter, are the books on him on wikisource)? JustinCB (talk) 00:20, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
I think those in the public domain are but not all are PD yet. So far as I know though the bot generating progress bars doesn't exist yet. I hope those were the answers you sought.John Carter (talk) 00:25, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Author:John Lloyd Stephens (listed on en WS)Edit

Author:John Lloyd Stephens wrote several grand books and they are illustrated. Let us choose something a bit more exciting lest we have an *another* unfinished work. —Maury (talk) 18:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The Tale of Old MortalityEdit

We don't have Walter Scott's The Tale of Old Mortality, which shocked me. Actually, we have very few works by him at all, despite his stature as an English writer, but The Tale of Old Mortality (or simply Old Mortality) is considered one of his best novels, and is a pretty high-profile English novel for us to be missing. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

EncycloPetey, what is the url for the version you have found? I wish to look at it. —Maury (talk) 22:16, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Well, to clarify first off (if you didn't know), Old Mortality is one in a series of loosely associated novels collected under the title Tales of My Landlord, though each is an independent story and novel. Of the first four volumes that make up "series 1", volumes 2 through 4 are Old Mortality (volume 1 is a separate story entitled The Black Dwarf). So, here then are the first edition (1816) volumes: Vol. II, Vol. III, Vol. IV. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:57, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposal of Proofreading Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal Series in 2019Edit

Currently, I'm not enrolled in the Proofread of the Month project, but I noticed the Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal series is currently not even proofread, and it consists of a large number of pages to work on. I've proofread some of the content, but I think this should be done with others. (Link of Volume 29 of the series, which I currently am working on) Albert Micah Hang (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

  Comment That's a lot to do in a single month, and with complicated formatting. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:22, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
  Comment @EncycloPetey I know, but I think we can do some volumes first (like Volume 1 or 29). Albert Micah Hang (talk) 23:25, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Even single volumes have complicated tables and lots of diacriticals. Works such as those usually do not attract as much participation, and remain incomplete at the end of the month. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:49, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
The lack of an text layer in the file is of concern and rules out a PotM collaboration for the time being. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 01:42, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Note: I'm now enrolled in the project now, so feel free to contact me. Albert Micah Hang (talk) 23:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to revise monthly categories for October and NovemberEdit

I propose that beginning next year (2019), we revise the monthly categories by eliminating "The end of the Great War" (which was topical when we were approaching the 100th anniversary of WWI, but will no longer be topical in 2019), and replace it by moving "Natural History" from October to November, and making October another fiction category, but with a focus on the fantastic (fantasy, horror, science fiction, and the supernatural). My initial thinking was to make October something more of a Halloween theme, but I realize that Halloween is not universally observed, nor is it observed the same way everywhere. Nevertheless, these themes are broadly associated with October, and I think this would be a good new tradition. I would propose starting with Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, as proposed for a different month above. BD2412 T 14:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Up until this year November has been designated as Validation Month—a month in which to catch up on validating several works. However, last year we completed no works, so as a one-off I went for the Great War. I've been trying to keep a broad range of domains covered in PotM and have hence kept fiction to only a couple of months each year. However, if people feel that we can sustain a third one and not have other domains lose out, then by all means we can put the fantastic into October in addition to the other two. We also need to decide if we want to restore Validation Month in 2019. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 18:31, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that the change was that recent. I would think that December would be a better validation month, since it is the end of the year, and seems like a time for cleaning up after ourselves. BD2412 T 01:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
We might consider separating the Validation Drive from the PotM, and having its section on the Main Page year-round. Pick and list three works separately from the PotM (maybe listed below), and rotating a new work in once one is finished. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:59, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Validation of the Month? BD2412 T 18:06, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I prefer the idea of having three current titles to a single one set to rotate on a monthly basis. That way it's less formal and people have options to select from. Validation can happen at any pace, but stating that one work is "for the month" restricts what we validate. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:09, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
That is reasonable. A "validation month" is always less fun than starting a new work from the ground up. BD2412 T 03:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
  •   Comment On a related issue, I suggest broadening "natural history" to "science / natural history". --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I would support that change also. BD2412 T 01:36, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Moved from November 2019Edit

I have changed this year’s November proofreading to validation so that WS:PotM can validate all of the works that it has started in previous years. The works are: Index:Life of Octavia Hill as told in her letters.djvu (May 2012); Index:The European Concert in the Eastern Question.djvu (September 2012); Index:The Botany of the Antarctic Voyage.djvu (June 2014); Index:Great Neapolitan Earthquake of 1857.djvu (March 2015); Index:The Fauna of British India, including Ceylon and Burma (Birds Vol 1).djvu (July 2016); Index:The Mythology of the Aryan Nations.djvu (August 2016); Index:Plutarch - Moralia, translator Holland, 1911.djvu (September 2016); Index:Savage Island.djvu (May 2017); Index:The Boy Travellers in the Russian Empire.djvu (May 2017); Index:The Story of Nell Gwyn.djvu (June 2017); Index:Life and Times of Frederick Douglass (1892).djvu (September 2017); Index:Modern poets and poetry of Spain.djvu (April 2018); Index:Weird Tales volume 31 number 02.djvu (October 2018); Index:In bad company and other stories.djvu (December 2018); Index:Cather--One of ours.djvu (March 2019); Index:Cyrano de Bergerac.djvu (April 2019); Index:The Present State of Peru.djvu (May 2019); Index:Guy Mannering Vol 1.djvu (June 2019); Index:Complete Works of Menno Simons.djvu (July 2019); Index:Biographia Hibernica volume 1.djvu (August 2019). TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 21:27, 13 October 2018 (UTC).

We used to do that every November, but declining participation led us to switch to a topic for November instead of validation. See the previous discussion on this issue below, wherein we concluded that Validation is no longer popular for PotM, since the last time we did it we validated no works that month. I have therefore changed it back on the basis of the prior community discussion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
    • I changed the topic for precisely that reason: the previous disinterest, or whatsoever caused the numerous works above to not become validated, would be greatly aided by a dedicated effort to cause those indexes to be so validated. This would forgo the need to create another index for proofreading and validation, as is the usual. The discussion has not been concluded, and your personal opinion on the matter should not influence the community’s decision; as the sole contributor to that discussion that was in favour of the alteration was you. The results of previous validation months are irrelevant, as this one is specifically dedicated to finishing works already selected for WS:PotM. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:05, 13 October 2018 (UTC).
      You misunderstand. The community discussed this issue and came to a consensus. Please do not unilaterally seek to override community consensus, but seek to change the community's opinion first. You have misinterpreted the discussion if you came away thinking that I was the sole contributor in favour of the alteration, or indeed that I was even in favour of the change. I neither proposed nor supported the change; in fact I made some suggestions concerning possible retention of the Validation month. Please re-read the discussion and re-open if you like, but changing the calendar against consensus is inappropriate.
    • The current 2019 Calendar was proposed by Beeswaxcandle, and BD2412 proposed changes for 2019 back in 2018. BD2412 and I agreed with Beeswaxcandle that the prior Validation month pattern was not successful and discussed the possibility of a separate Validation of the Month. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
      • I have yet to note where the community has so come to this consensus of which you speak. The discussion has not been closed; therefore, no consensus can be derived from the discussion that it contains. I have started a discussion here as an effort to inform the community of this problem and to propose the use of a previously-implemented activity as a solution to that problem. I would also like for you to not revert my comments on this discussion, so as the community may be so informed of my proposal. If you wish to create a larger discussion on the matter, you may do so wherever you believe that such a discussion would be appropriate. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC).
        Wikisource does not formally close discussions in most of its pages; Featured texts, Deletions & Copyright issues are the only three fora where discussions are formally closed. Discussions that have sat idle for more than a year without comment and in which all participants were agreed are assumed to be resolved. If you would like to enact a change different from what Beeswaxcandle has proposed (and which I agree with), then you should wait for further responses before enacting changes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
        • The discussion hasn’t had a comment in approximately three months, and not all of the participants came to an agreement. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 23:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC).
          Three months, yes, sorry. But the question raised was "Do we want to restore Validation month?" and no one spoke in favor of doing so. The discussion instead turned to have a separate Validation project distinct from PotM. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
          • One month of inactivity is sufficient. SpBot archives discussions that have been inactive for one month on the forums where it is active. In the discussion below, there was no disagreement to retire validation month, and no disagreement to implement a monthly validation, over the period of a month, so we can consider consensus to have been established. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 12:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
            • I continue to agree that a separate "Validation of the Month" would be more fruitful. BD2412 T 23:23, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


Validation of the Month logisticsEdit

Per the discussions above, there is consensus to have a Validation of the Month instead of using November's PotM for validation. I've accordingly started Wikisource:Validation of the Month and I encourage the community's input regarding the logistics of the change. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 18:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

My only concern: Of course, every stage of the proofreading process should be performed with care, and not casually. But particularly so during the validation stage. It should not be treated, imo, merely as a second proofread, but with a meticulous eye focused on the minute details as well as on the work as a whole—particularly when it comes to formatting consistency throughout an entire text. This is more difficult to achieve with "drive-by" validation (which a VotM, or even validation month can unwittingly encourage). Not sure how this can be addressed necessarily. Just thinking out loud. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:07, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
P.S. It concerns me as well when I see almost-immediate validation of pages during the course of a PotM, knowing that having multiple contributors will likely lead to multiple formatting practices (even if/when guidelines are listed on an Index:Talk page). One sees green, and one assumes done... but perhaps not done with a high (consistent/holistic) standard. Londonjackbooks (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
This can be one reason to establish a separate Validation group, who can support each other and train newer arrivals in Validation practices. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:15, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
We also need to be sure that works proposed for validation are ready for validation. Not every work that goes through POTM has had every page created, even. BD2412 T 04:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
VotM would not have to be limited to works from PotM. Other proofread works requiring Validation could be selected. --EncycloPetey (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Just picking up on the thought in the previous section on putting up a few works that require validation and rotating those as required. This would be my preference rather than putting up a single work. For the mainpage, we would need to maintain a template within the VotM space and then transclude it. Some possible wording as a starter: "These texts need another pair of eyes to check they have been proofread correctly. See How to Validate."

We have an ever-growing list of works that people believe are ready for Validation at Wikisource:Proofread of the Month/validation works#Queued to be validated. When updating the list of four works that are on WS:PotM I've been selecting from this list and trying to cover a range of domains at the same time so that validators might have something of interest to them. The other source of works ready for Validation is Category:Index Proofread. The caution with both of these sources is that they haven't been checked that they really are ready for Validation. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 19:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

We could use that as a starting point... I've created Template:VotM using that directly for now. —Beleg Tâl (talk) 01:48, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Contest scoresEdit

Just as an experiment I added January PotM's index pages to the wscontest tool and these are the results: https://tools.wmflabs.org/wscontest/c/10Sam Wilson 08:07, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

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