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Monthly Challenge :)Edit

Just a quick note to say thank you for your work on the Monthly Challenge!

Also, just to maybe save you a few key presses, you do not need {{hws}} and {{hwe}} for most text: the software automatically joins hypens that cross page boundaries (see H:HYPHEN for details).

Thanks again! Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 00:01, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

I would like to second Inductiveload's sentiment. I'm profoundly grateful for all your hard work on the Monthly Challenge. Languageseeker (talk) 00:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you both for the appreciation. However, I expect my current contributions are 'above-average' (not that I yet have an average), as it is only while my thesis is under examination that I have a bunch of spare time to commit to something productive.
Anyway, thanks again for the kind comments, and, of course, thanks for all of (both of) your past and present contributions to Wikisource.
If you would also humour me two questions:
First, is there a way to filter non-monthly challenge texts based on e.g. <50 pages to proofread, validate etc.?
Second, is there a way to finish partially complete texts that are "live" on Wikisource? For example, one of the works I always used to like reading was "Poems That Every Child Should Know", and I hoped that on joining Wikisource I could just proofread the last of the poems in Book IV. But there don't seem to be scans for them. The same seems to be true for "Grimm's Household Tales Volume 1 and 2" (1884, Margaret Hunt), and, of course, the same is probably true for many other texts I haven't read. Anyway, are these scans located somewhere on Wikisource that I just can't seem to find, or have they not even been digitized whatsoever? TeysaKarlov (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Page number locationEdit

Thank you for moving the {{smallrefs}} to the footer [Page:The Works of H G Wells Volume 4.pdf/55 e.g.], but please note that the footnotes should appear above the page number, not below it. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint. I had where refs should go on my list of things to check up on, and was looking for another work in the monthly challenge that had page numbers at the bottom to see what order things should turn up in, although I guess I don't have to now.
Thanks again, and I will fix the order of things up if you haven't already. TeysaKarlov (talk) 01:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

End of page brEdit

The <br /> at the end of a page is there to ensure a blank line between a concluded stanza and the next. If you add one, it will separate two parts of a stanza.

Yes, it is true that you will see a bit wider separation between final lines in the Page namespace. This is a known bug. Proofreading should focus on making the transcluded copy work, even if the Page namespace is a little wonky. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the hint. I wasn't sure about this, and as is my general way of doing things, I thought I would just keep working through to see how often I might see a break at the end of a page you had proofread (I only saw one, and wondered whether this was intentional).
Thanks again, and I will go back and change things. TeysaKarlov (talk) 01:29, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
I have been making a second look, so you do not need to go back through. I like to know if I am making errors, and if so, where I made them. You did catch some errors in the front matter. Thanks.
Also, I have only transcribed through page 53, and Notes at the end, so there are 25 pages I have no yet done. I do hope to have it finished by tomorrow. Thanks for Validating! --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Given the line break issue, I thought I would check first, but some of the italicized scene settings, e.g. '[The Soldiers do such and such' that are on their own lines are not all float-righted. However, at least I cannot figure out the reason why some are and some aren't. Should I float-right them all? Or is this just a 'its okay if the Page namespace is a little wonky' sort of an issue, and I shouldn't be concerned about it? TeysaKarlov (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
If they were floated right, then the way they align would vary depending on the margins and type size chosen by a reader. So, for any that are lengthy, I applied a hanging indent at a fixed set of values. The layout in the original varies a bit from page to page, but depends upon the margins being fixed, as well as the fact that only one is visible at a time. If they were all floated right, the indent will look wrong when the pages are transcluded, with them being indented to various degrees and not wrapping correctly. Did you take a look at the transcluded text? Yes, this can be considered a "Page-space can be wonky" issue. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Please don't convert breaks to the poem tag, it usually indicates that a user deliberately avoided it. Cygnis insignis (talk) 14:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Could you please remind me when/where I did this, as I don't remember doing so more than once or twice? I am assuming it was something to do with the Poems of William Blake. If so, I think I presumed that it was multiple people who had been working on the proof reading, which might I have been why I converted it. It might also have been the same poem across two pages, that had two different formattings. All things considered, the formatting for the Poems of William Blake seems to vary haphazardly.
Ultimately, I am sorry if I actually screwed something up with a page you proofread, but it looked alright from my (relatively inexperienced) perspective.
Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 22:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

smallrefs templateEdit

Hi, I see you're adding {{smallrefs}} to lots of pages in the Page: namespace. It's only needed there on pages where there are references. If there aren't any references, it's ignored. If there are any references in a transcluded section of text, then it's needed on the page in the Mainspace. It's not wrong to have a references template on a page with no references, so there's no harm done other than use of your time. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 03:08, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, if you see the Scriptorium/Help, you will realise I posted a question about this there (unless you have realised this already). As for what you probably saw in the recent changes log, it was just that I misinterpreted Languageseeker's response (about what "each page" was referring to). Anyway, I have now fixed things, and realised that (what you saw) was a waste of my time. TeysaKarlov (talk) 03:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Help with two works in the MC?Edit

I was wondering if you'd be willing to help with Index:The Works of H G Wells Volume 5.pdf or A Study in Scarlet. They're both about to expire this month which would be shame. Languageseeker (talk) 20:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Short answer: possibly.
Long answer: I am often hesitant to work on multi-part works (I don't know what to call them, but think of things like the Dial, where there are a bunch of articles put together). If you are just asking for help with a Study in Scarlet p. 50-95 (+ the problematic table), and not the rest of the Beeton's Christmas Annual work, I could probably squeeze it into my plans for this month. As for H.G. Wells, well, I think there is little that can be done about 500 pages in the remainder of a month (I believe I proofread the significant majority of V4 in more than a month, and not being a story, I feel like it was easier to proofread, e.g. less quotation marks and the like). If you can convince a bunch of other people to help with H.G., then I also can, but otherwise I would rather not start. It might be an idea to leave H.G. Wells off for a few months, and maybe add it into the Monthly Challenge later in the year (their are still some cool new to PD texts that I would prefer to work on first, which may also be true for other MC users).
TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:34, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Yes, I’m only interested in a Study in Scarlett. You’re probably right about Wells, it’s a bridge to far and there are plenty of other fascinating works. Cheers, Languageseeker (talk) 21:45, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Page:Historic highways of America (Volume 4).djvu/200Edit


You are using the TOC templates to get the Dot leaders? Was there a reason you couldn't do this as a normal table , and set up an Indexstyle? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 06:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00 Yes, I was using the TOC to get the dotted lines. I am not sure what an index style is, or how to set one up, which is probably the reason why I didn't use one. If you provide some hints about how to (or a link to the relevant help page) maybe I will next time. TeysaKarlov (talk) 19:33, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Orley FarmEdit

Thank you so much for getting through verifying/correcting my Orley Farm transcriptions, index updates, etc. You've been really helpful :) Nmarshall25 (talk) 23:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Nmarshall25 No problem at all. Really though, I should be thanking you. It is a refreshing change to have a new user both daring enough to attempt all sorts of things from the get go, and to be so receptive to changes (as I have been working through, your continued improvements both in accuracy and in matching styles for this work have not gone unnoticed). At this point, it is only a few minor things to fix, like using the longest version of the conventional dashes (— not –; I think the latter is for page number ranges and the like), and using SIC properly, if its use is appropriate. If so, you should put text inside the template, like {{SIC|tpyo|typo}}, although these don't come up all that often, as it is usually just some archaic spelling, or British vs. American English non-issue, which sic isn't really right for. If you were using sic solely for the validator, to tell them to leave something as is, you can always leave a comment instead with < !--comment--> (except without a space between < and !). Anyway, thanks again, all help with the MC (and Wikisource in general) is much appreciated. TeysaKarlov (talk) 05:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
@Nmarshall25 It seems, had I finished validating, that you had also figured out dashes and sics. At the very least, I can say that if you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Actually, one final hint, page end hyphen is for when you want the hyphen preserved. If the word shouldn't naturally have a hyphen, don't use any template, just leave the hyphen. TeysaKarlov (talk) 06:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

The Gospel of BuddhaEdit

Hi, the transclusion problems for this work apparently came from the use of {{float center}} around the transclusion command in the main namespace pages ([1]). Nevertheless, I already removed the work from the MC on your request.--Tylopous (talk) 06:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@Tylopous Okay. Ultimately, I was just concerned (particularly given the discussion over the Elene of Cynewulf) whether the way those pages have been formatted would be considered acceptable by Wikisource standards, particularly for compatibility across multiple devices. It also seems a little odd with the sentences not "connected" because there is an image in the way (although I realise sometimes images are placed mid-sentence and that that is okay). If you personally want it transcluded, I am happy to start a Scriptorium discussion about the right way to transclude the text, but I would be hesitant to proceed as is, (not that the float center fix isn't helpful/good to know).
Thanks,TeysaKarlov (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
The work is not on my list of priority projects. I may work on the transclusion myself at some point.
Thank you for being one of the contributors most active on transclusions in the MC.--Tylopous (talk) 06:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
@Tylopous No problem. Feel free to add some more. Also, not sure why, but when I edit the MC Module, nothing seems to happen any more (or at least not for a while). Is this just me and/or am I doing anything wrong (note that v17 Orley Farm and the Defensive Ferments entries I have updated recently to no avail, although Orley eventually appeared as completed, while I am grateful that the duplicate for Historic Highways was noticed and removed)? Thanks, TeysaKarlov (talk) 07:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
I also noticed these lags. Now I can see the changes in my browser, but it has taken at least half an hour, if not more, for them to appear.
For me, these lags not only affect the MC page, but also other main namespace pages. For instance, when I removed some paragraph break in the Elene of Cynewulf during validation, it also took at least half an hour before I could see the change in the transcluded text. When I performed analogous changes last year, they appeared almost instantly in my browser also for the transcluded text.--Tylopous (talk) 07:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
@Tylopous I have also seen said main namespace lags, particularly with links being created not immediately swapping to blue. At least there, I find that if I click "edit"-"publish changes" again, even if making no changes, I get an immediate update (including if I edit the source of a text). TeysaKarlov (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Greek accentsEdit

Hi, the curved variety of accents appears only word-initially and marks whether there is a "rough" or "smooth" breathing (in other words, whether the word was originally pronounced with something equivalent to English "h" or not. But a word starting with a diphthong like alpha+upsilon can have the curved accent on the second letter. Most of the times, there's exactly one other accent (for example one of the straight accents) in a word. But you can safely assume accents appearing late in a word as not being of the "curved" kind.--Tylopous (talk) 21:17, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

There will be some exceptions, where these breathing marks occur in the middle of a word, such as on a double rho, or on a vowel where two words have been contracted together. If you're unsure, you can always ask for help in a specific case. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
@EncycloPetey, @Tylopous Thanks for the hints, I will try and keep them in mind. At this stage, my focus is still mainly on getting the letters right, with a bonus if I get the accents (although I swear I can never even find the ones for omega), just to save some work for whoever might look over it. That said, always good to try and improve. Thank you both for whenever you have looked over things in the past, and possibly in the future, as there is now only one page left to be double checked: Page:Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire vol 1 (1897).djvu/536. TeysaKarlov (talk) 02:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
I use a toggle setting that allows me to type polytonic Greek using my keyboard, so I don't have to hunt. :) --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2022 (UTC)