SDudley

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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I've been on and off wanting to get more involved here over the last year. I think what I have learned is I enjoy the proofreading part of the books versus the transcribing. And since there is need for that too, I am more than glad to share it. I appreciate you welcoming me here.--SDudley (talk) 23:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey!

I'm so glad you came over to our community from Commons. I hope you stick around!

I noticed that silent films seem to be a long-standing interest area of yours at Commons, and I just wanted to let you know that there are many movies waiting to be transcribed. Please consider joining WikiProject Film if you'd like to contribute to that project. I'd be happy to teach you about our current draft process for films, to make it easier to work on them.

Again, let me know if you need anything, for films or just in general. And welcome! SnowyCinema (talk) 15:30, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Portal:Oswald the Lucky Rabbit is an ongoing project! SnowyCinema (talk) 15:41, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

That sounds cool! I'm wrapping up work on Index:The House at Pooh Corner (1961).pdf and then I think I will be more open to learning about that project. Hoping to get it done this week. We just have a few more images to include and then validate. I think the film project would be useful for learning more about formatting on Wikisource so I can get more into transcription. SDudley (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Awesome! I'm glad Pooh Corner is being worked on, because I read those Winnie-the-Pooh books with my family, via the Wikisource transcriptions. In the meanwhile, I'll leave you with Category:Film, which contains every film we currently have. Category:Pre-Code films is going to be the "star of the show" in this sound-transitionary period of 2024–2029. (: SnowyCinema (talk) 15:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Good morning! Seems we wrapped up House At Pooh Corner sooner than I thought. Ready to hear more about the projects at hand, especially the Oswald project. I'm also looking forward to the years of Pre-Code that are on the way. SDudley (talk) 14:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

2024 Wikisource film transcription tutorial

Hi, here's a video tutorial I recorded just today for film transcriptions (something I've been meaning to do for years). And the video is coming to Commons as well as soon as the webm conversion is done. I hope the video's helpful, because I've never made a tutorial before.

The gist of it is, we do film transcription at Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts, because of current limitations in ProofreadPage's technology specifically for movies. You can work on any movie we don't currently have. If you want some ideas, I created (but stopped adding to) this list of untranscribed films. You can start a draft subpage at Wikisource:WikiProject Film/Drafts, add it to the list, and here's a silent feature film example. Also, here's an Oswald cartoon example.

I hope to see you there soon. Let me know if you have any questions. (And sorry for the delay in response, I was hoping the video would be online sooner than this.) SnowyCinema (talk) 18:13, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll took a look later on. Also, I'd be glad to help as I can on the Commons:Character copyrights page. I'll leave more info on that over on the talk page. SDudley (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

There you go! Now you can watch it closer to home. SnowyCinema (talk) 20:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the tutorial! I can really tell that you have a lot of experience in this. Thanks for doing Poor Papa.

I have a note about the template being used for the Oswald titles. It seems restrictive and partially inaccurate. The 1928 shorts feature a different copyright notice at the bottom since they say 1928 (MCMXXVIII) instead of 1927 (MCMXXVII). And Poor Papa is another outlier by not featuring any notice in this print. Perhaps this template needs to reworked for only the Disney Oswalds and to have an editable year. Future years should be decided on as we get more Oswald. The character was around for 10 more years in shorts past Disney. I even have one on 16mm film, but it won't be public domain until the 2030s.

How do you get your code to highlight in Wikisource? Is that something I can easily turn on? That would be so helpful to reassure me that I am writing the source properly. Does that work on Commons as well? I spend a lot of my time over there.

The short I am interested in is Oh What A Knight (1928). I added a draft for it on the draft page. It starts out with musical notes, so I am not certain how to depict those. SDudley (talk) 23:06, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah you're right, the Disney+Winkler shorts don't all have the same copyright notice at the bottom as I seem to have assumed. Well, I'll look them all over tomorrow and rework this into the outlier transcriptions as suggested, but in the meantime maybe putting in a manual title would be best for now. You could copy the stuff that's already at {{Universal Presents Oswald the Lucky Rabbit}} (removing the if statement) for an easier time with the markup of it.

(These "consistency" templates aren't such vital things anyway, so you could just not use them if you'd like.)

I wouldn't personally replicate the musical notes if it were me. But if you'd like to include them somehow, a few notes should be enough so people get the general idea.

As far as the highlighting in the editor, when you open your wiki editor there will be dropdowns at the top like "> Advanced > Special characters". Left to the advanced button, there's a tiny icon that looks like a piece of chalk. It's the "Syntax highlighting" button, so just click that icon to toggle it. It took me a bit to find out that was what toggled it, because I always thought it was automatic.

Also, the 1930s Oswald reel is an incredible collectors' item! I only have one film reel in my hands, an early 1930s silent documentary about Babe Ruth that is probably in the public domain—I can't imagine something this obscure got renewed.

Good luck! I'm glad to be cooperating on Oswald; this is quite exciting! SnowyCinema (talk) 00:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

I can check on that Babe Ruth reel for you if you have more info. I love looking into the copyright catalogs.

Thank you for the edits to the template, and the suggestions for how to proceed. And thanks for the syntax highlighting. Wish it showed up here in the replies, but looking forward to using it.

My Oswald reel is super uncommon. It is a home video reel probably from the 1940s or 1950s of an Oswald cartoon. Here is someone else's 16mm scan of a print of the short, Happy Scouts. It is such a different type of short from these early Oswald shorts. Essentially only the same in name. A much more radical transformation than it felt befell Mickey Mouse.

Anyway, the short was renewed in the 1960s. So it is still under copyright in spite of that scan being on YouTube. Universal likely sees no commercial value in it. However, it will remain unable to be shared on Commons until 2034. SDudley (talk) 00:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

linking to Wikipedia

Please don't link titles of works on Author pages to Wikipedia. Those pages are meant to list the works we host here, and link to places we can get a scan (in order to add it here). Linking titles of works to Wikipedia articles from those pages is inappropriate. --EncycloPetey (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Good to know. Thank you! SDudley (talk) 02:33, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Blue Train

Please note that we should be using straight quotes in this work, not curly ones. - Index talk:The Mystery of the Blue Train.pdf. (Once a work has been started using one style, we should normally continue with that. -- Beardo (talk) 02:04, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Could you please tell me what the difference is? I’m still new to formatting here, but I’m glad to oblige. SDudley (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikisource:Style_guide#Formatting - Use a consistent style of quotation marks ("straight" or “curly”) within a given work. It is recommended to use "straight" quotes in works where there are a large number of contributing editors, since consistent use of “curly” quotes may be difficult to achieve. -- Beardo (talk) 05:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Use of {{nop}} on pages

Hi. I noticed when doing a couple of validations on The Royal Book of Oz that you've not been using the {{nop}} template. You need to enter this, on a separate line, at the end of any page which is also the end of a paragraph. Its function is to stop the paragraph being joined to the first paragraph at the top of the next page when transcluded. If you have the dropdown at the bottom of the page you're editing set to 'wiki markup', you can simply click on the appropriate entry to insert the template, rather than having to type it each time. Also, in your preferences, there is a gadget that can be enabled that allows you to check whether there is a {{nop}} on the previous page, and to add one (if there should be one).

You can delete the <nowiki> thing at the start of any page (it's an artifact of the match and split process) and the <references> in the footer (likewise). Hoping I'm not teaching grandma to suck eggs. Regards, Chrisguise (talk) 09:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Words split across pages

Sorry. I came across a couple of instances where a page ends with a split word (say, for example, 'display', with 'dis-' at the end of one page and 'play' at the beginning of the next). You'd used {{bar|1}} for the hyphen after 'dis', which would result in 'dis— play' instead of 'display' when the pages are transcluded. You just need to use the standard keyboard hyphen.

For those occasions where the hyphen is part of a hyphenated word, you need to use {{page end hyphen}} or {{peh}} and if the first character of a continued paragraph on the next page is a dash, {{unspaced page end}} or {{upe}}. These two stop the transclusion inserting a space between the end of one page and the beginning of the next, which is what it would do if the page ended with a complete word. Regards, Chrisguise (talk) 09:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! For both this and the other discussion. Both are very helpful for learning. I’ll see if I can set those preferences as well to help me know if I need the specific formats. Thanks for validating SDudley (talk) 13:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

em-dashes

Please do not replace em-dashed with a {{bar}} template. That template is for longer dashes, not for standard characters. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Sometimes I’m not certain if they are just regular dashes or longer style ones. SDudley (talk) 19:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

The em-dash gets its name from being one "em" wide; that is, as wide as the lowercase m in whatever text it appears. So you can visually compare it to the width of an m. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Oh! Thank you that’s super helpful. SDudley (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Passing scan

Thanks for adding this. I searched hi and lo and couldn't find it previously. Great job. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Welcome! Strangely it was just a simple Google search. SDudley (talk) 13:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I'm back

Sorry it took so long.

So, I made some changes to {{Universal Presents Oswald the Lucky Rabbit}}. Now, if you put in {{Universal Presents Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|{{uc|"Poor Papa"}}|notice=no}}, as was done at Poor Papa just now, no notice will appear. {{Universal Presents Oswald the Lucky Rabbit|{{uc|"Oh What a Knight"}}|year=MCMXXVIII}} will make the year appear as 1928 instead of '27.

So, I hope this makes Oswald film transcription a bit easier. SnowyCinema (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been getting more comfortable with just the regular transcriptions here, so I would be interested in trying my hand at the short again. SDudley (talk) 22:47, 12 February 2024 (UTC)