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/archive I initially posted over at Wikisource_talk:Adminship#Obligations_2 but it seems that is a scarcely-viewed page, so I thought I'd post here. I'm looking over the project and it is, quite frankly, an absolute pigsty. There are works that have been tagged as needing clean-up for fourteen years (Category:Works with no header template), and there are 300 Category:Works with no license templates. Talk:Speech at the closing session of the 5th Meeting on Globalization and Development held in Havana, Cuba addressed the fact it's tagged as a copyvio back in 2010 but nothing's been done about it since then. If we hop in a time-machine back to December 31 2009, ten years ago, we’ll see that Wikisource:Requested texts is so ignored that the majority of texts requested ten years ago have still not been added. (And before you say "Great lemuritus, go do all that", I just added Narrative of the Most Extraordinary and Distressing Shipwreck of the Whale-Ship Essex which had been sitting there unfulfilled for the last 12 years.) Christiane Taubira Speech on the Same-Sex Marriage Bill had three different maintenance templates thrown on it five years ago but nothing happened, and Hail the Sign, the Sign of Jesus has been locked to prevent any editwarring since 2011, there are 956 Category:Pages containing deprecated templatess, despite having multiple Admins who list "Greek" among their languages Category:Pages with missing Greek characters has had the same page listed for nine years, Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month is obviously long since abandoned, and my personal favorite has to be that Category:Deletion requests/Unknown translators has had a {{backlog}} template for its 43 pages since 2006 :)

So basically I'm asking, why don’t we make a short checklist of tasks that every administrator must accomplish before their annual comfirmation (10 Xs, 10 Ys, 5 Zs), and a slightly longer one (25, 25, 10) for those aspiring to be an administrator to include along with their nomination? Because after 17 years, it’s a little silly to say we're just getting around to these things. Obviously the current policies are not working to keep up with the maintenance. Lemuritus (talk) 04:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Loud chorus of "No, no! Screw you!"

I have been here two weeks and have looked up authors who have missing initials or biographical details, gotten rid of "Orphan" templates, recategorized the "Missing character" templates, tackled "Requested texts", created about 300 authorpages for redlinked authors, created the eight countries that were missing from Portal:Texts by Country for the past twelve years, and it seems a little rich to just say "Yeah, there is a HUGE mess, 600,000 uncategorized works - no real method for somebody interested in Assyria to notice we have anything about it, and even the administrators are consistently adding authors and works without categorizing them…but keep up the good work lemuritus, if you see a problem you fix it, we’ll do what we like and no we will not spend thirty minutes a year on a directed task aimed at fixing the project". And to accuse me of virtue-signalling when literally all I have done here the past two weeks is try to tackle the mess, much of which I can't even figure out how to accomplish tasks or whether policies exist, is just bizarre. "I know you are, but what am I" is barely a functional taunt from playground bullies, but from WMF admins?

Time is much less likely to show "how much I care", and much more likely to show how little I care about investing more than thirty minutes a day into doing the thankless maintenance tasks that are long overdue because those who want to be administrators want to avoid having to clear ten items on a backlog every year, or asking self-nominations next year to include twenty items off the backlog. Wiktionary was a "pigsty" for a couple years before it got fixed, Wikiquote was a "pigsty" for probably five years…but here we see not only a pigsty, but an obstinate refusal to actually tackle the necessary cleaning to fix it. Little surprise Wikisource:Maintenance of the Month is dead in the water when the administrators themselves didn't support it. Lemuritus (talk) 17:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Empty author pagesEdit

I'm not sure what's the policy, but personally I'd ask you to please not create pages like Author:Edward Southey Joynes, which only adds noise as it conveys no information whatsoever. Thank you, Nemo 20:11, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

He is a Public Domain author who died in 1917 and we currently link to his authorpage on several other pages on Wikisource…I understand in an ideal world I would list all of the works of each author I created, but yesterday's task was just adding the authors that are linked-to, but without author-pages on Wikisource, and it also displays his birth/deathdate. I have no idea how this could be "adding noise", but you're safe - no more. Lemuritus (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
The only content page that linked to him was a table of contents; the article (or letter, actually) that he authored had not yet been transcluded. I've now taken care of that here: Southern Historical Society Papers/Volume 28/General Lee as College President
I think that's about as much as is necessary for Wikisourcers to generally see this as a positive contribution. I agree with Nemo that it's probably not a good idea to create an author page where no transcluded content yet exists. But it's easy to address in a case like this -- just create a page and transclude the item that caused his name to be invoked on Wikisource to begin with. -Pete (talk) 04:22, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I said "it's easy to address," but of course it's only easy if you know how. I was assuming you know how to set up transcluded pages etc., but if there's anything about what I did that's elusive, please let me know and I'll try to help. -Pete (talk) 04:28, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

ProofreadingEdit

Thank you for proofreading some works! That's an excellent way to contribute to Wikisource at the beginning, because everyone can provide useful edits and while doing it you get to explore the project and gradually understand it better. I hope I can provide some useful suggestion. On Page:Complete Works of Menno Simons.djvu/721 I found some obvious typos at the very beginning: it took me only a second with the Mozilla Firefox spellchecker, maybe it could be useful for you too. Nemo 20:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Authors with no licensesEdit

I notice you've created a bunch of author pages with no license template and no authority control template. Rather than manually placing them all in the Category:Author pages with no license template backlog, do you mind fixing them? Thanks —Beleg Tâl (talk) 22:43, 3 January 2020 (UTC)