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smileybillinghurst sDrewth 05:45, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

As a little feedbackEdit

To put this work into context, I have been working on a number of biographical works, some for use locally with building author pages, some for interlinking other references, some for articles at WP. Nothing overly systematic, and probably more aligned with whim. Well. not totally true, there will be a concentration on building author pages for those who are not notable enough for a page at WP and we are needing to build copyright data. Nice to see you here, and you have picked up the skills here terrifically well. Call me if you need a hand, and note Wikisource:WikiProject DNB which is one of the works that probably guides some of our thinking and development. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, thanks :) -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 10:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

To make things easierEdit

If you haven't found it, we have a gadget that fills in {{header}} and for easy code to transclude Men of the Time as you have been following my section naming, you will find this code works


and using another gadget, I have it as sidebar text option through my .js skin. — billinghurst sDrewth 07:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


for the chrome fix...JamAKiska (talk) 23:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

seconded... Londonjackbooks (talk) 03:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Footnotes to refs, that become transcluded endnotesEdit

For footnotes, we convert them to traditional wiki <ref>. They are then displayed at the bottom of the each Page:…/XX. Then when we transclude the pages to the main namespace, we add either <references /> or {{smallrefs}} after the transclusion, and they will display as an endnote. A little bit different from the publication, however, in the web environment a better solution. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah OK, that makes sense. I guess the asterisk and dagger style can't be retained if two pages flow into one on the web and there are asterisk footnotes on each page that would conflict. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

We can bot the boring bitsEdit

I probably should have said. With the boring bits like updating transclusions after we shift pages, it is easy to get a bot to run through and make the changes. Not to say that if you like doing them, the go for it. Any bot jobs can just be added to Wikisource:Bot requests. I had been about to get to these, however, I now see that it is not necessary. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it would have been better to automate it. Actually, it would be good to semi-automate the initial creation of the transclusion pages (the individual articles for each person), with a script that would allow setting page numbers and typing in a Wikipedia link but would generate the rest in an automated way. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
The header gadget does some of that stuff, and when you are working with subpages, it does more if you have a table of contents (eg. sometimes detects and completes previous/next links). If you are interested, the regex gadget can also do some of those bits. If that is of interest, turn the gadget on and either steal some of the code from my monobook.js file for your skin, alternatively tell me whether you are in vector or monobook skin and I can upload and customise some of the code for you. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
I downloaded the bot code and adapted it to get it working. It's only semi-automated because it needs interactive input and manual verification of the result, but it's less tedious and error prone than before. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 07:43, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


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rederived djvu file, though ... — billinghurst sDrewth 10:57, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Template:Hanging indent inheritEdit

Rather than {{outdent}} you will probably find {{hii}} with {{div end}} will be more useful as it can span page breaks (two halves to template) plus it inherits when you need it to do so, use {{hii|2|2}}. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very useful. I tried it just now and it worked.
By the way, is it possible to use <pages> in the Table of Contents of Index:Distinguished_Churchmen.djvu or other books, or it is only possible to use ordinary-style transclusion there (ie, each consecutive page in a series needs its own transclusion)? -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 05:52, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
From memory, Index namespace specifically does not allow <pages> transclusion as it would be a circular reference as it calls the index page. We use {{:Page:blah blah/nn}}, plus we don't want the page numbers on the left margin. — billinghurst sDrewth 06:15, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


Please use straight quotes rather than curly ones. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 14:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

The style guide doesn't seem to address this issue specifically. In practice, it seems that some books within Wikisource use them consistently and others do not. Can you provide more information or a rationale or a link to prior discussions? -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I added a guideline. You should have a look at the other changes I made: for example, you can use {{block center}} instead of centering for quotes in the text. This container is very flexible, the solution to many formatting problems, have a play and let me know if you find something tricky. CYGNIS INSIGNIS 22:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure there's consensus for your change to the style guide re: quote marks, in the sense of being a hard and fast rule. However, I would agree with the first part, about spacing around colons, semi-colons, question marks, and so forth, which are often just artifacts of justified text, as you note. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 05:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

/Letter N vs /NEdit

Not that I have specific concerns, though I was looking and thinking that we could just [[Title or work/N]] rather than [[Title or work/Letter N]]. The word Letter seems a little superfluous for title when we are actually meaning surnames, and in the header we can put as we please, and the word letter can sometimes have the meaning around here of correspondence. Billinghurst (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, perhaps that would be better. There are only a few pages to change, at Men of the Time and at Men-at-the-Bar. Are there any other encyclopedia-style works (other than DNB), and what system do they use? -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 23:48, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
On the other hand, in some future encyclopedic or dictionary work, there might be an actual entry named "A", etc. Perhaps it's better to keep the "Letter A" system, by analogy with "Chapter 1", etc. -- P.T. Aufrette (talk) 23:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Reasonable point. Though if we reflect that way, maybe it should be /Names A or /Contents A or Index A. I will leave it to you. Billinghurst (talk) 09:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)