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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 22:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please do not edit here under the pseudonym of a bot, please edit under an appropriate username. We reserve bot-like names for bot edits. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
"Emperor" is not part of a person's name; it is a title. We do not include "Emperor", "Pope", "President" or other titles in names of Author pages. There may be some exception, such as "Kublai Khan", where that is the name under which he is known in English. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- The Chinese emperors are another exception and are called in accordance with history-recording convention(s) and English translating convention. For Ming and Qing emperors, the convention is "the Era_name + Emperor(=Di)" like the Author:Xianfeng Emperor (because almost each emperor has one era name); for other dynasties "Emperor(=Di) + (Temple_Name or Posthumous_Name) + of Dynsasty_Name"), eg Author:Emperor Wen of Han (Han Wu Di, lit: "Han Civil Emperor"). The "Emperor/Di" is not only a title but a constituent part of the conventional name, for there is no such thing as "Civil of Han"/"Mighty of Han" (Author:Wen of Han/Author:Wu of Han are very errors). Wen/Civil here is a descriptor not a personal name like given names Kublai and Elizbeth. Please check Wikipedia naming of the Chinese emperors. Thank you :) I just fix these names and will not appear much more under this bot-like username.---Wenku-bot (talk)
- Wikipedia's choice of names are not always a good guide for Wikisource. Wikisource does not follow the same principles as Wikipedia. A better guide is the international library form of the name. For example: Emperor Wen of Han is recorded in the LoC database as "Han Wendi, Emperor of China, 202 B.C.-157 B.C." or as "Liu, Heng, 202 B.C.-157 B.C." [1] So the name could be presented here on Wikisource as "Han Wendi" or as "Liu Heng", but in general we would not include "Emperor" in the name. We do not include titles such as "Emperor", "King", or "Pope" in the titles of Author pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:50, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the Chinese historical convention works better for the East Asian ruler names in Chinese characters and titles. Not because of Wikipedia. Not only because "Han Wen Emperor" is much more traditionally/commonly used than "Liu Heng"; but also because that translating from Chinese characters only by approximate prononciation would cause information losses and confusions. (each of Han/Wu/Di/Liu/Heng can be very different characters.)
- "Liu Heng" is meaningless and confusing. It can be thousands of people with same/different "Heng". Very few (even Chinese) know the highly respected emperor's exact given name.
- "Han Wudi" is meaningless and confusing. It can mean someone with surname Han + given name Wudi, and wudi can mean different things, but most likely means "no enemy" ("ever-victorious" Han Chinese people).
- cf. "Emperor Wen of Han" is semantically correct, uniquely referring, meaningful, and commonly used. Wenku-bot (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- You are offering good explanations for your point of view, but you are not understanding how Wikisource operates. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Ο
- Whatever website is better to respect grammar/syntax and operates with common sense. Simple explanation: "Emperor Civil/Militant of Han", "Good/Bad Sherperd of Israel", in the same manner, Genghis Khan (probably means "Tengri/Heaven-granted Khan"). "genghis" is a title-like discriptor, can not form a "name" alone. (His Imperial Majesty Mr. Borjigin Temujin even used the double title "Heaven-granted Genghis Emperor" in Chinese.) He should not be called "Genghis" only in whatever language, but his grandson Mr Borjigin Kublai can be called just "Kublai" as in Monglian/Chinese. Wenku-bot (talk) 01:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- English Wikisource does not use any titles with its accounts, no use of Pope, Queen, King, or Emperor. So you can suggest a reasonable name that fits within our naming hierarchy, or we will make a determination based on what we see from works. We won't be using titles. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:44, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Whatever website is better to respect grammar/syntax and operates with common sense. Simple explanation: "Emperor Civil/Militant of Han", "Good/Bad Sherperd of Israel", in the same manner, Genghis Khan (probably means "Tengri/Heaven-granted Khan"). "genghis" is a title-like discriptor, can not form a "name" alone. (His Imperial Majesty Mr. Borjigin Temujin even used the double title "Heaven-granted Genghis Emperor" in Chinese.) He should not be called "Genghis" only in whatever language, but his grandson Mr Borjigin Kublai can be called just "Kublai" as in Monglian/Chinese. Wenku-bot (talk) 01:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- You are offering good explanations for your point of view, but you are not understanding how Wikisource operates. --EncycloPetey (talk) 00:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)Ο
- Wikipedia's choice of names are not always a good guide for Wikisource. Wikisource does not follow the same principles as Wikipedia. A better guide is the international library form of the name. For example: Emperor Wen of Han is recorded in the LoC database as "Han Wendi, Emperor of China, 202 B.C.-157 B.C." or as "Liu, Heng, 202 B.C.-157 B.C." [1] So the name could be presented here on Wikisource as "Han Wendi" or as "Liu Heng", but in general we would not include "Emperor" in the name. We do not include titles such as "Emperor", "King", or "Pope" in the titles of Author pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:50, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Please stop operating from this bot aligned account. I would suggest that you seek a rename via Special:GlobalRenameRequest, otherwise create an alternate editing account. If you continue to edit from this account with bot in the name and in this manner, then you are forcing me to block this account. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:46, 6 January 2020 (UTC)