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Pages numbers now missing when viewing transcluded articles?Edit

Anybody also have missing page numbers when viewing transcluded articles? e.g. Crookes, Sir William. The page numbers used to appear on the left of the article text. DivermanAU (talk) 19:52, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Many others are experiencing this as well. [1] Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:41, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Image namesEdit

Please see: Wikisource talk:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Style Manual#Image names for a question on what to name images in this project. -- PBS (talk) 19:14, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Footer split over two pagesEdit

I recently came across a similar problem with a hyphenated word at the end and start of two pages and found two templates already written to handle the issue. I have documented the solution see:

  • Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Transclusion#Hyphenated word at end of page]]

The following pages

Have had a construction I had not seen before in EB1911: A footnote carried over from one page to another.

I tried the suggestion in:

  • Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Transclusion#Other page-crossing constructs

But it did not work.

So taking my lead from the templates used to solve the "Hyphenated word at end of page" problem, I have handled it by

  • placing the text of the second half of the footnote in to the footer section of the Page 415
  • then coping the text onto Page 414 and appended it to the footnote. I have wrapped the text up in a template so that it only displays in main space 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tunisia.

At the moment the template is in my user area User:PBS/template all it contains is:

{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACEE}} ||{{{1}}}<!-- -->}}

Does any one have an alternative way of dealing with footnotes split over two pages? If not, I would appreciate some suggestions for a name for this template. I will then move it into template space and document the footer and template combination in:

-- PBS (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

You'll want to use the "ref follow=" construction. I think it's documented at Help:References. YOu can find an example at Page:History of Oregon volume 1.djvu/394 and Page:History of Oregon volume 1.djvu/395 and rendered at History of Oregon (Bancroft)/Volume 1/Chapter 13. -Pete (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Help:Footnotes and endnotesbillinghurst sDrewth 00:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that information. I will try it out. -- PBS (talk) 12:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@user:billinghurst. I tried out your idea and it works for articles where the pages included in the translucent includes footnotes that are split over two pages for example 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Saint Marys. However if the translucence pages do not include the second half of the footnotes as the case with 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tunisia then the "ref follow=" construction does not work. Do you have a suggestion for how we ought to handle such cases?

-- PBS (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Macron and diereses combinedEdit

On the page 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Osman (sultans) there is a combined Macron and diaereses diacritic above a small "a" like this "ǟ". The template {{small-caps}} makes such a letter with diacritics into a small cap with diacritics.

In the selection box for characters at the top of a [[:PAGE:]] to be transluded there are options for Macrons and Diereses and there is also a "other diacritics" options but none of them included an "ǟ". I found the html character using the following website:

-- PBS (talk) 12:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Keeping footnotes in their original placeEdit

Following on from the conversation above.

The construct of "ref name=tagname" "ref follow=tagname" could also be useful on pages that are not split because it can be used to keep the footnote text in the same place on the page as they are in the original as this will help is checking for OCR errors, as there would be no need to move the text footnote up the page to the place where it is displayed. Simply alter the original body of the text to include <ref name="note 1"/>like this,[1] and then at the bottom of the column (or wherever the footnote appears in the original text use <ref follow="tagname">like this:<ref follow="note 1">This is a footnote</ref>


  1. This is a footnote

If there is a consensus I will include this as an option in the EN1911 MOS. -- PBS (talk) 09:28, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about footnotes, I've used name/follow quite a few times now. Useful when copying from Gutenberg version to make comparison easier. Just have to be careful that the "follow" part doesn't reside past the section break (e.g. after ## s2 ## ) if the footnote is in the "s1" section, otherwise the ref doesn't work when transcluded. DivermanAU (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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