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Footer split over two pagesEdit

I recently came across a similar problem with a hyphenated word at the end and start of two pages and found two templates already written to handle the issue. I have documented the solution see:

  • Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Transclusion#Hyphenated word at end of page]]

The following pages

Have had a construction I had not seen before in EB1911: A footnote carried over from one page to another.

I tried the suggestion in:

  • Wikisource:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Transclusion#Other page-crossing constructs

But it did not work.

So taking my lead from the templates used to solve the "Hyphenated word at end of page" problem, I have handled it by

  • placing the text of the second half of the footnote in to the footer section of the Page 415
  • then coping the text onto Page 414 and appended it to the footnote. I have wrapped the text up in a template so that it only displays in main space 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tunisia.

At the moment the template is in my user area User:PBS/template all it contains is:

{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACEE}} ||{{{1}}}<!-- -->}}

Does any one have an alternative way of dealing with footnotes split over two pages? If not, I would appreciate some suggestions for a name for this template. I will then move it into template space and document the footer and template combination in:

-- PBS (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

You'll want to use the "ref follow=" construction. I think it's documented at Help:References. YOu can find an example at Page:History of Oregon volume 1.djvu/394 and Page:History of Oregon volume 1.djvu/395 and rendered at History of Oregon (Bancroft)/Volume 1/Chapter 13. -Pete (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Help:Footnotes and endnotesbillinghurst sDrewth 00:05, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for that information. I will try it out. -- PBS (talk) 12:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@user:billinghurst. I tried out your idea and it works for articles where the pages included in the translucent includes footnotes that are split over two pages for example 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Saint Marys. However if the translucence pages do not include the second half of the footnotes as the case with 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tunisia then the "ref follow=" construction does not work. Do you have a suggestion for how we ought to handle such cases?

-- PBS (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Macron and diereses combinedEdit

On the page 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Osman (sultans) there is a combined Macron and diaereses diacritic above a small "a" like this "ǟ". The template {{small-caps}} makes such a letter with diacritics into a small cap with diacritics.

In the selection box for characters at the top of a [[:PAGE:]] to be transluded there are options for Macrons and Diereses and there is also a "other diacritics" options but none of them included an "ǟ". I found the html character using the following website:

-- PBS (talk) 12:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Keeping footnotes in their original placeEdit

Following on from the conversation above.

The construct of "ref name=tagname" "ref follow=tagname" could also be useful on pages that are not split because it can be used to keep the footnote text in the same place on the page as they are in the original as this will help is checking for OCR errors, as there would be no need to move the text footnote up the page to the place where it is displayed. Simply alter the original body of the text to include <ref name="note 1"/>like this,[1] and then at the bottom of the column (or wherever the footnote appears in the original text use <ref follow="tagname">like this:<ref follow="note 1">This is a footnote</ref>


Notes:

  1. This is a footnote

If there is a consensus I will include this as an option in the EN1911 MOS. -- PBS (talk) 09:28, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about footnotes, I've used name/follow quite a few times now. Useful when copying from Gutenberg version to make comparison easier. Just have to be careful that the "follow" part doesn't reside past the section break (e.g. after ## s2 ## ) if the footnote is in the "s1" section, otherwise the ref doesn't work when transcluded. DivermanAU (talk) 22:45, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Half a dozen leftEdit

At the moment there are last half a dozen Wikipedia pages that access EB1911 articles that have yet to be placed on Wikisource (over 20,000 done):

Wikipedia article EB1911 article name location notes
w:Psalms of Solomon "Solomon, Psalms of", 25, pp. 365–366. Vol 25:5 index, first OCR page Major problem is the Hebrew script, now fixed.
w:Temperature measurement "Thermometry", 26, pp. 821–836. Vol 26:9 index, first OCR page Long article with lots of mathematical formulas and embedded images
w:Terpene "Terpenes", 26, pp. 647–652. Vol 26:8 index, first OCR page Long article with many chemical structure diagrams; fixed
w:Water supply "Water Supply", 28, pp. 387–409 Vol 28:7 index, first OCR page Long article lots of images, formulae, a table and a plate
w:Weighing scale "Weighing Machines", 28, pp. 468–477 Vol 28:8 index, first OCR page long article lots of images; fixed?
w:William Dent Priestman "Oil Engine", 20, pp. 35-43 Vol 20:1 index, first OCR page long article lots of images (djvu source has a yellow background)
w:Worsted "Wool, Worsted and Woollen Manufactures", 28, pp. 805–816 Vol 28:13 index, first OCR page long article some images, shoulder headings and tables, and a plate

If anyone is thinking of proofread some pages please consider doing one of these. They will be time consuming as they are not strait forwards (apart from "Solomon, Psalms of" which needs someone who can proofread the Hewbrew text). The others are largish and involve displaying images and a few tables. -- PBS (talk) 12:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I fixed the Psalms of Solomon article. I've learned how to add Hebrew diacritics (thanks to Wikipedia) and updated Wikisource with help from the high-resolution scan at https://archive.org/stream/encyclopaediabri25chisrich#page/366/mode/1up. For the other articles, the version at theodora.com may be of help for tables etc. e.g. https://theodora.com/encyclopedia/o/oil_engine.htmlDivermanAU (talk) 20:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Working on Terpenes. I have 9 of the diagrams uploaded so far. DavidBrooks (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2020 (UTC) ... Terpenes done, although I'm going to review some of the typography decisions. DavidBrooks (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:EB1911 Page Heading seems broken just nowEdit

Anybody know why the "EB1911 Page Heading" template seems to all-of-a-sudden display incorrectly for pages with four parameters? e.g. Page:EB1911 - Volume 04.djvu/1010. The template itself doesn't appear to have been edited recently. @Billinghurst: @DavidBrooks:. DivermanAU (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@DivermanAU: Define broken. There was a tab in the use, which is not null. [1]. Does it look better for you now? — billinghurst sDrewth 13:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
It does look better now. The issue was that the page number appeared in the center (instead of at the side), with the two article names together at the far right (instead of being centered). It was happening on multiple pages, including those I had edited a short time beforehand which looked OK at the the time, but then had an issue when I looked later. Pages that had the alignment issue before now look OK (without any body editing the page) so I don't know what was happening. Anyway, thanks for the reply, I hope it will be OK from now on. DivermanAU (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I didn't see anything like you are mentioning. I am guessing that it is related to the mods that are going on in Template:RunningHeader by user:Inductiveload. Inductiveload, it may be worth doing some of those changes through the template's sandbox. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
I actually did use a sandbox (just not that template's own sandbox) but I missed something really dumb because I am dumb. Sorry! On the up side, hopefully the central text will actually be in the centre of the pages more reliably now. Inductiveloadtalk/contribs 13:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
That answers my confusion. I realize now there were two things going on: the temporarily broken RH template, and the missing empty parameter in the example that billinghurst fixed. Yes, I used positional parameters in that template because I'm lazy and it was the first template I wrote from scratch, and I realize it's easy to overlook the empty ones. DavidBrooks (talk) 19:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
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