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Author pages without a license — maintenance

Hi to all. If anyone has some maintenance time over the next while, I have found that we have about 800 author pages that are without copyright tags. I have generated the (perpetual) query petscan:648761 Check for author pages without {{license}}. Every little bit helps. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 00:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I'm being a bit dumb right now, but that petscan link doesn't do anything for me -- eg. it leads me to a blank, not-filled-out instance of petscan. Help? --Mukkakukaku (talk) 00:12, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Nevermind, figured it out. This link worked instead: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=648761. The petscan prefix link generated this url which doesn't work: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?648761. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 00:13, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

@Mukkakukaku: ouch, thanks. To also note that I have applied a fix to the interwiki map for petscan, though that fix won't go through until next week when deployments resume. [Now I need to severely castigate the breaker of the link (when/if I find out who did it)]. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

fwiwi @Mukkakukaku:, petscan links have been fixed so that the shortcut now works!. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

I’ve been looking at a few of the authors and I’m having a hard time deciding what template I should use for modern authors who are still alive and whose works have been published after 1996. The Author help page only lists a few simple situations that do not apply. Some examples where I was unsure what to use: Author:Jabbar Manaf oglu Mammadov, Author:Vernon Nemitz or Author:Noni. Any advice? Marjoleinkl (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Following the discussion, please think about how the author pages could be updated, or other pages have the required information and what links we could add. Alertness/awareness to is our information and help both sufficient and current is useful. — billinghurst sDrewth 14:45, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I generally look at works we already have by them. Some authors have been releasing things under the GFDL, so I use {{GFDL}} for that person. Otherwise if they're explicitly releasing copyright, I use {{PD-release}}. If we have no works by them, and probably never will, {{copyright author}}. Things get funny with public office so I take those on a case-by-case, but {{PD-USGov}} is only for federal US government, and so on. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 12:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

For your specific cases: Noni releases works under the creative commons 3 unported license, so {{Cc-by-3.0}} is appropriate; the one work by Nemitz we have is under the Free Art License, so I would tag him with {{FAL}}; and the last fellow released some of his work under the GFDL so {{GFDL}}. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 12:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your point of view :) I will keep other updates in mind as well, like billinghurst mentioned. Marjoleinkl (talk) 15:17, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Index:A Hundred Years Of Bengali Press.pdf

Whose the second author listed? Trying to get dates and nothing came up in a Google Search. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

It's "H.W.B. Moreno." I'm seeing other book results come of for him in a Google Search. He appears to have lived in Calcutta during the early 20th century. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 20:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Library of Congress shows birth year to be 1875. WorldCat, LOC, etc. do not show expanded name. Still looking... Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:31, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

He's still publishing in 1932, is referred to with the title "Dr", and had an infant son die in 1909. Other than that, I got nothing. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Henry William Bunn Moreno Londonjackbooks (talk) 20:47, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Nice get. To note that genealogical resources support all the above statements, and also do not give a death date. I do find a nice 1920 appeal court case about divorce, and the death of his wife in 1927. — billinghurst sDrewth 23:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Applying 1875+70 = 1945, but 1875+90 = 1965 which is getting tight for this being out of copyright outside the US. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:34, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Is it possible to localise the file? We know it's PD-US at any rate. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:35, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Moreno's year of death is unknown to historians of literature. See this page about 1875 births in the History of Indian Literature, Volume 1 (Sahitya Akademi, New Delhi, 2000). There is no assurance that he died before 1957, so the work's PD-India status cannot be confirmed. Better to host locally. Hrishikes (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

moved locally please update file description and work out expiry for move to Commons. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:47, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

@Billinghurst, @ShakespeareFan00:Calcutta Municipal Gazette for 1934 states "Dr. H. W. B. Moreno, a prominent member of the AngloIndian community in Calcutta, died in the Medical College Hospital on the morning of the 4th July at the age of 59..." (p. 250). Page 231 is dated "30th June, 1934", confirming the year 1934. Londonjackbooks (talk) 14:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

A point to note: The primary author, P. N. Bose was not the geologist Pramatha Nath Bose. There were three people named P. N. Bose at that time: (1) Pramatha Nath Bose, geologist with Geological Survey of India, B.Sc. degree, VIAF 41833661, (2) Phanindra Nath Bose, professor of history at Visvabharati University, M.A. degree, VIAF 75440271, (3) Phanindra Nath Bose, painter-cum-sculptor of international repute, vide this page and Samsad Bangali Charitabhidhan, the Bengali biographical dictionary. As per obituary of No. 2, published in the magazine Prabasi, Vol. 32, 1932, page 145, the book on Bengali Press was written by him. Hrishikes (talk) 03:11, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay , amended, and added the Other P.N Bose.. here Author:Phanindra Nath Bose Can you expand and cleanup?.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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I was asked to run this bot for en.wikisource too. This bot is for archiving resolved discussions and working queues, that are tagged with {{Section resolved|1=~~~~}}. For example see the German "quality assurance": wikipedia:de:Wikipedia:Qualitätssicherung/20. Dezember 2016. For more details, please see Template:Autoarchive_resolved_section. My SUL bot account has more than 800.000 edits at all - most of them made in the German Wikipedia. This archiving task is running almost non-stop since 2007. --Euku (talk) 08:27, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Euku. To confirm that I asked for this bot to be applied locally so that we can update our archiving practices. I have seen the bot work successfully at meta in managing important WMF-central page. Also to note that these are pages with header templates that were set by Pathoschild as he set here, and, importantly, it archives within sections so can be used by us at WS:PD, WS:CV and WS:AN. It will only be operating in areas where we set it, and that will be talk pages (... talk: and Wikisource:), all of which are non-content. — billinghurst sDrewth 09:30, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

This would be a useful bot to have running. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

When should I start? --Euku (talk) 17:05, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

I started to run the bot daily/nightly at 3 am UTC. As it still has no bot flag, it will also notify users when it edits a user talk page. Please also note that for now there is no page that uses this bot. :-/ --Euku (talk) 19:42, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Apologies Euku, I dropped the ball on activating the templates, though did add them inactively in places. I had set them in awaiting 'crat action earlier.
@Hesperian, @Mpaa, @Zhaladshar: Is there something that you are wishing to see at this stage? — billinghurst sDrewth 10:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

No, I'm pretty comfortable. I checked out how SpBot worked on Meta and it seems like it works great. I say we accumulate a couple actions from SpBot here to make sure it works fine on our wiki.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 14:39, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I have set WS:CV, WS:PD and WS:AN to each archive, and seven days post application of {{section resolved}}. First two to archive at default level 2 (per discussions to not further sort sections into 'kept', 'deleted', 'other') and the latter at level 3, hence archiving within sections. I will presume that any micro configuration can occur via discussion at the respective talk pages. — billinghurst sDrewth 21:41, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Can we perhaps do WS:RT as well? I tagged the resolved sections of that a few months back, so it should be good to go as well. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 01:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Done at level 1 header. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Looks like the config isn't quite right.... (Though honestly it would be useful if the bot told us what was wrong. Eg. what it was expecting that it couldn't find or whatever.) Mukkakukaku (talk) 04:38, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Presumably it wants a full path, rather than a relative path (referring to examples). Not a major issue, I thought that it may be the case, just my habits. — billinghurst sDrewth 04:58, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Zhaladshar: and now? — billinghurst sDrewth 03:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

I think the edits have gone well. If there are no oppositions, I'll assign it the flag in a day.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 22:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Bot flag's been added.—Zhaladshar ^(Talk) 01:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: — billinghurst sDrewth 04:52, 27 March 2017 (UTC)