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I am visually impaired and cannot work with a bright background, so I copied some css from another site to use on wikiprojects to force light text and black background. I copied/pasted it here to User:Laura1822/common.css‎. It strips out colors, which is usually not a major problem on other wikis. However, here the colors are important. I tried to do some proofreading, but I can't see the toolbar, I can't see the color-coding for the page links (whether proofread, etc.) and I can't see the page status radio buttons. Also, on normal pages (like this one), the edit tools below the editing box (i.e., with insert/wikimarkup) is showing up bright white, which is blinding, though the various symbols themselves are showing correctly (this last doesn't happen on wp or commons).

What about now? I think I managed to set the Char[acter]Insert bar to "inherit" it's background and font settings from their parent settings - which in your case is set in your personal .CSS to a black background with a white font. If I was right, that is what your CharInsert bar should have now too. -- George Orwell III (talk) 01:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I am not a coder and find css too complex to deal with easily. (I have attempted to correct this problem in the past, but don't know enough to figure it out.) Would someone who understands these things please modify my common.css so that I can see link colors, the toolbar icons, and the radio buttons, and fix the background on the editing tools? Help! Laura1822 (talk) 19:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Laura, we have a gadget that "colours the page background and text boxes to lower contrast in edit mode" that may help you. If you go to the gadgets section of your preferences (Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets), it's the last checkbox in the Editing tools section. I don't know how it will interact with your common.css, but hopefully it will improve things. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Laura, did you get the colors you wanted? I use light grey background with black text. Kindest regards, —Maury (talk) 22:00, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, but no, I didn't. I tried the "lower contrast" gadget but it is still far too bright, very painful. I really cannot tolerate anything but a black background. I hope someone who knows css will find me. :) Laura1822 (talk) 00:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
And now? I fiddled with your .css file and think I've managed to restore most of "critical" colors and such while keeping new or Wikisource specific additions within your b&w scheme at the same time. Let us know if this helped. -- George Orwell III (talk) 03:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
MUCH better, thank you! I can now see all the colors, I think. A few of the toolbar buttons don't show up (perhaps they are transparent?), and the numbers don't show up well against the colors, but those are mere quibbles compared to what it looked like before. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Laura1822 (talk) 13:40, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

In plain EnglishEdit

Hi Laura, There are many good technical people here, (which I am not), and therefore ask you for simple guidance to link us to a site, Wikimedia related or not, which pleases your eyes. That will establish your color preferences and hopefully resolve the issues.- Ineuw 03:41, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I think Mr. Orwell has taken care of it. For what it's worth, I think I borrowed the css initially (some years ago) from Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki, or a similar site. I've always wondered why Wikipedia doesn't have a true black-background skin as a choice, or at least they didn't last time I checked. Laura1822 (talk) 13:40, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


Laura, my wife is totally blind since the age of 17. I want you to know there are also free, professional book readers and you can download their many books on https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login//NLS

You may wish to look into this. It keeps my wife happy and all books are downloadable. There is a special digital player that uses these digital books. The books can be saved if you wish and they can be placed on a "thumb"/"flash" drive that fits in a shirt pocket. It is also good if in a place where you have to wait for a long time to pass that time.

But now you have WikiSource and there are many good and helpful people here. "GO3" aka "Mr. Orwell", is an alias for George Orwell III. He is always helpful and he is one of the smartest "coders" here.

Welcome to WikiSource, Laura!

Kindest regards,

—Maury (talk) 14:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I have downloaded and enjoyed a few audiobooks and I will take a look at that link. which is new to me.
For the record, I am extremely light sensitive, not near-blind. :) I see very well, but the bright white backgrounds are painful. I have to wear blue-blocking glasses to use a computer monitor or watch TV, and have to restrict general light usage (no fluorescents, no bluish bulbs).
If anyone else comes along who would like to try my common.css to reduce eyestrain, please try it and let me know how you like it. Laura1822 (talk) 14:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

File:ARA 1809 V01 D066 Walking dress.jpgEdit

This conversation was COPIED to Wikisource talk:WikiProject Ackermann’s Repository of Arts. Please delete if you are OK with it.— Ineuw talk 20:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I cleaned up this first colored image. There are 30 color images in Volume 1. — Ineuw talk 03:01, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S: Some additional comments:

  • The Bunka Gakuen books are not from Internet Archives. I am convinced that they are originals from their library and exquisitely preserved.
  • The IA images are missing the accreditation at the bottom of the image.
  • I downloaded the same image from Bunka Gakuen, to compare and will upload it to the Commons.
  • The background should be white, the colors we see are of the acidified paper.
  • If you missed this In the Scriptorium, there is a very good chance that these images will also be there. — Ineuw talk 13:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
@Ineuw: I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I never meant to imply that the BG images were from IA. I agree with you that they are originals. My original point was that I hope that there is an automated way to assemble the BG images into djvu files, upload them to IA, and work from them instead of the set currently at IA. But if the other volumes at IA are not as badly done as this one, perhaps it would be appropriate to get the plate images from BG and upload them to commons (hopefully with a bot), though they need some cropping (carefully, to preserve the texts at the edges of the images). I haven't figured out a way to do the cropping with a batch yet (I use Irfanview).
I saw the discussion about the 2.4 million images, and went straight to commons to look for Ackermann's plates (or any fashion plates), but couldn't find any. Doesn't mean they aren't there. Laura1822 (talk) 13:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • My comment about the source of BG images was only my surprise exclamation. It was I who made the assumption because I didn't look at the BG images closely. Only after leaving the computer, it occurred to me that BG, being a fashion school in the 19th century, they own their own copies.
  • Am I to assume that your wish is to transfer the BG images from their website to IA? Why don't you consider asking BG to upload their digital copies of their books, pointing out their quality vs IA versions? IA then will spawn all kinds of formats within 24 hours.
  • I also use only Irfanview. But 49 images - some grayscale, don't require batch operations - also the images are not the same size. — Ineuw talk 14:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
That's a good idea!
50 images may not require batch, but 50 x4 0 vols =2k images! And that's just plates! :) Laura1822 (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate the sample with a white background, but I much prefer leaving the original color of the paper, especially for plates. I have a litany of reasons for that if you want to discuss. Just my opinion. Laura1822 (talk) 15:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Must have uploaded ~20,000 images, so 2,000 are not too scary. Also, not all images are color plates.
  • This is your project, so you make the decision. There is nothing wrong with the colored background on color images, and it looks nice. But, grayscale is not accepted with the yellow background, that I am sure of. I had to request deletions and re-upload the first 1,000 PSM images because of it.
  • As for the duplicate image captions, (on the image and then repeated below the images), please ask for clarification from User:Hesperian. He was my Rabbi in these matters. — Ineuw talk 15:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

WikisourceMono fontEdit

After our discussion earlier, I had a closer look at the DPCustomMono2 font, and decided to fork it so I could fix up the display of dashes. I wanted to see what was a hyphen, what an en dash (added a lump at one end), and what an em dash (a lump at both ends). It's a bit clunky, so maybe you've got some better ideas. :-) I've started some documentation at Wikisource:WikisourceMono. Sam Wilson 08:24, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

@Samwilson: That's fantastic and anything you can do to bring that font into default use for proofreading is I think a major contribution to posterity. :) As for dashes, etc., though, they don't matter so much in the proofreading font (though I'll always think that lengthening emdashes is a good idea). The problem, apparently, is in the reading font——if I'm understanding our earlier discussion correctly——whether in the web browser or the ereader (both computer-based and handheld). So I wouldn't want you to spend a lot of time working on it for the proofreading font unless that will be good practice to help future efforts address these issues.
BTW I installed the WSMono font downloaded from the page you linked, and still I see the table on that page all in Courier. I'll try again after purging my browser cache later this morning.
Also BTW I don't use the visual editor (don't know if it's even available here). Laura1822 (talk) 08:36, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, WikisourceMono won't help at all with the final display of pages, but I figure it can help with the proofreading process. There's not all that much we can do to help with the end-users' fonts, unfortunately. Sam Wilson 02:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
@Samwilson: I finally cleared my cache and the table now displays correctly. I didn't mean to conflate using WSmono with the reading font: in fact was trying to do the opposite. Sorry for the confusion! But there being not much we can do to control the reading font users choose, the one thing that seems to be controllable is to use the bar template instead of emdashes. On my project I use {{bar|2}}, which displays as——a nice comfortable length in the various reading fonts I use. What I don't know, of course, is how it displays in various default fonts (particularly sans serif) that most people probably use. Laura1822 (talk) 11:16, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I've been investigating some more options with the bar template (doing the squash-the-letter-spacing trick): Template:Bar/testcases. I'm currently just failing on the yesterday-simple step of exporting the test to epub so I can check it out on ereaders. Anyway, come and make any changes you want (it's based on your great list of dash tests).
What I want to do is create a library of screenshots and photos of ereaders etc. so we can try to isolate some of the problems. This stuff is seemingly always going to be a pain though! Sam Wilson 01:38, 8 November 2016 (UTC)