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Again, welcome! Beeswaxcandle (talk) 04:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits to EB1911
editHi SpikeShroom, I wanted to express my thanks for your edits on Page:EB1911 - Volume 01.djvu/666. I made a few more edits, including finding the missing illegible character (mu). It is visible in the high-res scans at archive.org, specifically archive.org/details/encyclopaediabri01chisrich/page/626. I use these scans from time to time to check words (and Greek & Hebrew diacritics) and for images. DivermanAU (talk) 03:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- You're welcome! I always like an excuse to use my TeX skills. I'll try my hand at the other pages, and I'll keep your advice in mind if I come across some ambiguous characters. SpikeShroom (talk) 03:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
Series
editSome volumes are part of a series, for which conventions of style have been applied uniformly across that series. Making random changes to style that break formatting of text, introduce unnecessary minor changes, interfere with transclusion of content, and use undesirable templates should not be undertaken without consultation, especially in Validated pages. --EncycloPetey (talk) 03:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- Though I apologize for diverging from the conventions of the series and accept the reversal of my edits, my changes are not random. I edit what I feel could use improvement and do so to the best of my ability thus far. Thank you for notifying me of my mistake, but I don't appreciate your condescension. SpikeShroom (talk) 05:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- When you begin massively altering the formatting of others, and call it "polishing" in the edit summary, that's condescending. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- I've gone through my Preferences and enabled notifications for reversals of my edits. Hopefully this will allow me to understand my errors in any future disputes before the editor-in-opposition resorts to posting impolite messages on my Discussion page. SpikeShroom (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
- When you begin massively altering the formatting of others, and call it "polishing" in the edit summary, that's condescending. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Please wait until a work is fully proofread to list it as a New text. The title page of Ah Q and Others is still missing the Chinese characters.
Also, a short story from that collection is currently listed. We prefer not to have two works by the same author to be listed at the same time; doubly so if the listed works are both from the same publication. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, gotcha. Thanks for letting me know!
- —SpikeShroom (talk) 22:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Divine Comedy (Longfellow 1867)
editIs there some reason you're changing the entire style of the work without discussion? --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm editing the work to use {{ppoem}} because the template seems to have features to handle many different elements of the work, while being more concise and matching the scan slightly better than the current version. I also edited the title page and table of contents because I enjoy formatting those types of pages to be as close to the scan as possible (while still following formatting guidelines). The reason I'm doing this without preliminary discussion is because I do not need permission to begin editing works, and any issues with my editing style can be handled as they come up.
- —SpikeShroom (talk) 19:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Table of Contents could probably be improved, but ppoem does not better match the printed text, and, as I indicated below, completely changing someone else's style on a text, without discussion, is considered very poor practice on Wikisource. Please undo your changes. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
If you finished a work, then someone came along and changed everything you did without asking you, how would you feel? This is why, once a style is set for a work, that style should be honored. Changes should happen only if there is some required technical change, or invisible simplification that does the same thing.
Ppoem does not do the same thing, and has issues that change the appearance and struggle over longer poems. Please undo all the changes you have made.
Also note that adding {{larger}} is the header is not needed. A change like that can be made using CSS, and should not be inserted manually into the header. --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- First off, this is not a finished work. This is an unfinished work that you partially transcribed/proofread in 2017—seven years ago. There is no "set" style and no style guidelines on the Discussion page. I was perfectly willing to validate the pages if they seemed to be accurate, but since most of the work hasn't been looked over in seven years, I chose to modernize it instead, especially with templates that weren't available back then, as {{ppoem}} was made in 2021.
- I haven't heard about issues with {{ppoem}} on longer works until now. Can you elaborate on how it struggles with longer poems? I would like to see if I the issue is solvable before I undo my edits.
- On the topic of manually inserting {{larger}} in the header, you have the wrong person. I've actually been removing that template from headers, and have already written the CSS style to handle the header formatting.
- I'm sorry that I undermined your established style. I meant no offense, and am happy to discuss modernizing the work in a way that does not create any incompatibilities.
- —SpikeShroom (talk) 21:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Styles are established by use throughout the work, and seldom by being fully explained on a page. Adding ppoem is not "modernizing" the work; ppoem is one of several options, and not always the best one. Would having other Admins explain this issue to you help? Changing an established style in a work without discussion is inappropriate, and you should voluntarily revert your changes. Otherwise, I'll have to take this issue to the Admin noticeboard. --EncycloPetey (talk) 21:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Adding {{ppoem}} is one of several options, and I felt that it was the best one in this case for multiple reasons. I am open to hearing about the issues regarding the template, but currently the issue has not been explained well enough for me to voluntarily revert my changes. If you are unable to elaborate as to how {{ppoem}} is an issue in this discussion, please bring this discussion to the Admin noticeboard.
- I would like to note beforehand that, whether or not my use of {{ppoem}} is accepted by other administrators, my continued permission to edit the work and/or change its style in other ways as I see fit (while being consistent and following policy), is another topic of discussion and should not be conflated.
- —SpikeShroom (talk) 22:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is the changing of style without discussion. The fact that ppoem is used is the secondary consideration. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I have started Wikisource:Administrators'_noticeboard#SpikeShroom_changing_style_without_discussion. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)